LA plastic bag ban Jan 1st

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    Dec 14, 2013 4:36 PM GMT
    I'm embarrassed that even as a right wing radical, I use the reusable bags or at worst the recycled paper bags. I'm not quite a vegetarian, but close. Any meats that I buy I still used the small clear plastic bags to keep that separate from the rest of the groceries. That's pretty rare though.

    I hang my head in shame at being a (semi) environmentalist.
  • courtnyou

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    Dec 14, 2013 4:45 PM GMT
    we've been doing this in San Francisco for a year and a half. move on. even at fast food.
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    Dec 14, 2013 7:56 PM GMT
    GAMRican said
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    metta8 saidPaper Grocery Bag Prices
    http://www.uline.com/BL_5504/Grocery-Bags


    and why paper is better? it killes the forests,no?


    Paper bags made from recycled paper content does not use more trees.

    Are there paper bags that are 100% made from recycled paper? I was under the impression that it wasn't strong enough in that case. I could be wrong.
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    Dec 14, 2013 8:20 PM GMT
    GAMRican said
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    San Francisco banned plastic bags in 2007, claiming in part that the ban would decrease the overall amount of garbage collected. In fact, garbage and recycling rates rose more than 78.6% in the city between 2005 and 2013.


    First, if you feel so strongly about the law, start a grassroots movement to change it.

    Second, you're using information about San Francisco's recycling program out of context. San Francisco's recycling rates continue to go up because prior to 2009 it was not mandatory to separate "garbage" into "recyclables", "compostables", and "waste". This is progress towards our "Zero Waste Philosophy".

    From Wikipedia (follow to check citations)The City and County of San Francisco’s Department of the Environment established a goal of zero waste in 2002,[2] which led to the Mandatory Recycling and Composting Ordinance in 2009.[3] With its ambitious goal of zero waste and policies, San Francisco reached a record-breaking 80% diversion rate in 2010,[4] the highest diversion rate in any North American city. San Francisco received a perfect score in the waste category in the Siemens US and Canada Green City Index, which named San Francisco the greenest city in North America.[5]


    If you still feel so strongly about your sensational and emotionally hysterical view, have you considered joining the Tea Bagger movement to help overturn the plastic bag law?


    no no tea bag for me,

    as a process specialist, stores are set up a certain way, the registers are up front, end of isles with sale items, crap cereal brands are on the bottom shelves, metal baskets are next to door, outside, small plastic baskets are next to door, inside, when first entering a store, you see the produce section, the liquor section is always to the side, not the back of the store (theft)...etc, I could actually make a flow diagram, its no secret that stores direct customers to convenience and merchandise on purpose, whether its grocery or wal mart, sears...wherever

    forcing the customer to bring their own bag into the store disrupts the flow, a flow that has already been determined, not only the store flow but now the customer has to decide how many bags to bring to the store, people with large families that bulk shop, say Smart&Final, Costco, Sams, would have to bring 20 reusable bags with them, and where do you exactly put those on your way to the store?

    having a bag with you when you enter a store, for some, promotes shop lifting, its too easy and tempting, at Best Buy, this is why when you leave the store, a clerk will ask for your receipt and check mark it

    Its obvious that bring your own bags was designed by selfish single people for the single shopper without regard to security for the store itself, I have seen shoppers at Vons fill the metal basket to the top, assuming a $400+ bill, how many reusable bags will it take? Doing laundry takes energy too, but nobody cares about that
  • conservativej...

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    Dec 14, 2013 8:43 PM GMT
    I am certain you guys out in California will work through this little spat in your relationship with your government. icon_wink.gif
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    Dec 14, 2013 8:47 PM GMT
    I always save and return plastic bags to my grocery store which has a recycling bin.
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    Dec 14, 2013 9:08 PM GMT
    turbobilly saidI always save and return plastic bags to my grocery store which has a recycling bin.


    same here, I have a cupboard full of plastic bags and reuse them often, problem is, I have no where to recycle them icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 14, 2013 9:09 PM GMT

    Up here we return plastic bags to bins at the grocer. They get money for them from companies that melt them down for other stuff. Like so:

    http://earth911.com/recycling/plastic-bags/

    We saw one intrepid gal haul out several white waste bin PLASTIC bags at the supermarket. She bought them in a box. 30 for 1 buck. And this is the problem with such a law, it can easily be thwarted, in spite of its good intention.

    I have mixed feelings on this one, as many kinds of reusable bags weaken incredibly fast when washed. Then you have to throw them....in the garbage. Everywhere I asked I was told that reusable bags can't be recycled.

    On the other hand, human carelessness has caused an enormous problem with plastic bags.
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    Dec 14, 2013 9:30 PM GMT
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    Up here we return plastic bags to bins at the grocer. They get money for them from companies that melt them down for other stuff. Like so:

    http://earth911.com/recycling/plastic-bags/

    We saw one intrepid gal haul out several white waste bin PLASTIC bags at the supermarket. She bought them in a box. 30 for 1 buck. And this is the problem with such a law, it can easily be thwarted, in spite of its good intention.

    I have mixed feelings on this one, as many kinds of reusable bags weaken incredibly fast when washed. Then you have to throw them....in the garbage. Everywhere I asked I was told that reusable bags can't be recycled.

    On the other hand, human carelessness has caused an enormous problem with plastic bags.


    That is all CA had to do is try this first, as I said before, they need to pay people to recycle, since they don't, recycling anything is a horrible experience and the public doesn't want to deal with it, instead, they do expensive law changes, I wouldn't be surprised if all plastic bottles or containers of every kind are banned, by a law, forcing everyone, including packaging manufacturers back to paper products (oh, but they kill to many trees) other than packing everything in stainless steel (very expensive) there is no way out of plastic, period.
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    Dec 15, 2013 1:34 AM GMT
    "...grant me the serenity to ACCEPT the things I cannot change, courage to CHANGE the things I can, and the WISDOM to know the difference."
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    Dec 15, 2013 1:56 AM GMT
    Conservative and conservation are the same word.

    The right should be about protecting the environment, conserving what is good. Teddy Roosevelt, etc.

    Anyway, Jesus, if the OP has nothing bigger than this to get upset about, he's got a pretty great life.
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    Dec 15, 2013 2:17 AM GMT
    RunnerBen saidConservative and conservation are the same word.

    The right should be about protecting the environment, conserving what is good. Teddy Roosevelt, etc.

    Anyway, Jesus, if the OP has nothing bigger than this to get upset about, he's got a pretty great life.


    See if the plastic ban had some proven data then I would agree with you.

    It does not.

    Its just like the many other pseudo-intellectual things that arise amongst "some"

    Quietly most of my West Hollywood neighbors are about done with the plastic ban after a year.

    Plastic bottles fly out of the West hollywood pavilions. It would help the environment much more if most installed water filter they could save money.

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    Dec 15, 2013 7:37 PM GMT
    RunnerBen saidConservative and conservation are the same word.

    The right should be about protecting the environment, conserving what is good. Teddy Roosevelt, etc.

    Anyway, Jesus, if the OP has nothing bigger than this to get upset about, he's got a pretty great life.


    Correct, we are.
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    Jan 01, 2014 3:03 AM GMT
    just what i was afraid of, no handles, and the nightmare has begun, as the bag ripped just before entering home icon_twisted.gif

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    slows the cashier down and makes their job more difficult, they ran out of plastic bags early today icon_twisted.gif

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    now where do I put the toilet paper as im leaving the store?

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    Jan 01, 2014 3:16 AM GMT
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    Jan 01, 2014 3:20 AM GMT
    Actually, big things like toilet paper and paper towel packs, they put on plastic handles on them. Only takes a couple seconds. Those are too big to put in plastic or paper bags anyways.
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    Jan 01, 2014 3:25 AM GMT
    metta8 saidActually, big things like toilet paper and paper towel packs, they put on plastic handles on them. Only takes a couple seconds. Those are too big to put in plastic or paper bags anyways.


    Is there some innovative way they bag the whining? icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 01, 2014 3:29 AM GMT
    metta8 saidActually, big things like toilet paper and paper towel packs, they put on plastic handles on them. Only takes a couple seconds. Those are too big to put in plastic or paper bags anyways.



    I also noticed ALL the CVS push carts were gone when I entered the store, I am assuming because the bags don't have handles and now people, especially old, NEED the push carts, I am sure they were scattered in the parking lot, I only had two bags, had to carry in arms instead of in hands, very awkward, very thin, cheap ass paper, looking forward to seeing many parking lot spills, icon_rolleyes.gif

    this city is not Wistera Lane or even West Hollywood icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 01, 2014 3:41 AM GMT
    I wish they would ban them everywhere. It's a ridiculous waste. I get pissed off because every fucking time I buy a gallon of water, the fuckers try to put it in a plastic bag. WTF? It's already got a handle. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 01, 2014 3:43 AM GMT
    Toronto instituted a 5ȼ charge for plastic grocery bags 1 or 2 years ago. It was annoying at first, but no major problems have surfaced. Maybe it is good for the environment.
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    Jan 01, 2014 3:49 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidI wish they would ban them everywhere. It's a ridiculous waste. I get pissed off because every fucking time I buy a gallon of water, the fuckers try to put it in a plastic bag. WTF? It's already got a handle. icon_rolleyes.gif


    this city, of Los Angeles CA, is ill prepared for this, it is not like its neighbors, Beverly Hills, West Hollywood, Westwood, Brentwood, Santa Monica, if you don't know or have not seen the city or live in a suburban cul de sac, these push cart baskets will be found in strange places or even stolen from the stores, I repeat, LA is not the suburbs icon_mad.gif
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    Jan 01, 2014 3:58 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidDang, I don't see what the big deal is. I always pretty much go out the door with my backpack. Inside my backpack I always keep a couple of canvas bags jumbled up inside of it in case I might pick up a few things at the grocery store. They're strong and they have handles that won't break. And they have lasted me for over a year so far.




    my guess, the 'less than desirable' neighborhoods will have the most difficult time with this change, Watts, Compton, Lynwood, Inglewood, Hawthorne, East LA, Mid City, Crenshaw, Downtown and skid row
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    Jan 01, 2014 4:08 AM GMT
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    Scruffypup saidI wish they would ban them everywhere. It's a ridiculous waste. I get pissed off because every fucking time I buy a gallon of water, the fuckers try to put it in a plastic bag. WTF? It's already got a handle. icon_rolleyes.gif


    this city, of Los Angeles CA, is ill prepared for this, it is not like its neighbors, Beverly Hills, West Hollywood, Westwood, Brentwood, Santa Monica, if you don't know or have not seen the city or live in a suburban cul de sac, these push cart baskets will be found in strange places or even stolen from the stores, I repeat, LA is not the suburbs icon_mad.gif



    Change can take time, but I think this is a good thing. We do not need to be wasting all that plastic just to carry home a loaf of bread.
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    Jan 01, 2014 4:26 AM GMT
    There should be nothing to whine about; Plastic Bags are banned in San Francisco, Alameda( Oakland) and Santa Clara Counties( San Jose and Palo Alto) already. I think they should be banned throughout California. We use Canvas bags for Grocery shopping or shopping while shopping at Target and Walmart.
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    Jan 01, 2014 6:04 AM GMT
    icon_rolleyes.gif In the rest of the world, people supply their own shopping baskets and carts. The five-minutes-use disposable plastic bag - six-months-tangled in the tops of the trees- is just a weird temporary exercise in conspicuous consumption. Besides, all of the cans and bottles roll out of it on the way home. icon_mad.gif

    For comparison, How many lives have been lost to the demise of the pull-tab can? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Years ago, I bought a 12-pack of shopping baskets. I keep one in each vehicle and use them for all sorts of other stuff. Gather your shit into it in the store. Carry your shit out of the store in it. No problem. Except some of the C*nts at the check out try to take them away. Or pack them wrong, with the heavy stuff on top.
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