LA plastic bag ban Jan 1st

  • FRE0

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    Jan 01, 2014 6:20 AM GMT
    I use my own cloth bags when shopping for groceries. However, I do occasionally do not have one with me if I am walking past a grocery store and stop to get something in which case I have to use a disposable bag provided by the store.

    Rather than banning disposable bags, it would be more reasonable to charge for them, perhaps five cents or so, to encourage shoppers to provide their own bags.
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    Jan 01, 2014 6:25 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    Up here we return plastic bags to bins at the grocer. They get money for them from companies that melt them down for other stuff. Like so:

    http://earth911.com/recycling/plastic-bags/

    We saw one intrepid gal haul out several white waste bin PLASTIC bags at the supermarket. She bought them in a box. 30 for 1 buck. And this is the problem with such a law, it can easily be thwarted, in spite of its good intention.

    I have mixed feelings on this one, as many kinds of reusable bags weaken incredibly fast when washed. Then you have to throw them....in the garbage. Everywhere I asked I was told that reusable bags can't be recycled.

    On the other hand, human carelessness has caused an enormous problem with plastic bags.


    I bought one of my reusable bags about 25 years ago and it is still in fine shape. However, unlike the ones currently available in stores, it is made of real woven fabric.
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    Jan 01, 2014 7:43 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidicon_rolleyes.gif In the rest of the world, people supply their own shopping baskets and carts. The five-minutes-use disposable plastic bag - six-months-tangled in the tops of the trees- is just a weird temporary exercise in conspicuous consumption. Besides, all of the cans and bottles roll out of it on the way home. icon_mad.gif

    For comparison, How many lives have been lost to the demise of the pull-tab can? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Years ago, I bought a 12-pack of shopping baskets. I keep one in each vehicle and use them for all sorts of other stuff. Gather your shit into it in the store. Carry your shit out of the store in it. No problem. Except some of the C*nts at the check out try to take them away. Or pack them wrong, with the heavy stuff on top.
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    besides a ton of stuff, they are baby carriers icon_lol.gif




    ^^^^, if you're a dainty single gay man this mini basket will work, I have used it many times picking up a few things, however, pantry filling can only happen with large push carts, such as Smart & Final bulk shopping, do single gay men not bulk shop? I have seen plenty of people fill these carts to the top, must be $300+ at the register, food stamp recipients with large families have done this, I think its selfish to force either more trips to the store in a obvious SUV, or buying smaller amount at a time so one can accommodate the bring your own carry bag that was forced upon the people

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    carts with wheels are much more fun icon_razz.gif



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    Jan 01, 2014 11:17 AM GMT
    Meh, South Africa is already years ahead of Los Angeles.

    The only policy I supported from the ruling African National Congress is the ban of plastic packets/bags. When we go to the grocery store, we have to pay for them.

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    Jan 01, 2014 2:17 PM GMT
    Education is key here. People need to be educated in carrying bags. Here is the UK, our major retailer, Tesco introduced a scheme where you receive one "Clubcard" point for every old bag you reuse. At the start is was not very popular but now, people are activly using old bags. I have no problem going shopping and reusing a bag. Most bags end up in landfill.

    You have to pay for a bag in the Republic of Ireland and schemes are being introduced or considered in England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland.
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    Jan 01, 2014 2:33 PM GMT
    It's nice to hear that America is catching up to Africa. In Rwanda they have banned plastic bags years ago and use a paper bag that can be reused or recycled.
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    Jan 01, 2014 2:36 PM GMT
    i believe you pay for bags in France too.
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    Jan 01, 2014 9:44 PM GMT
    scruffLA said
    mindgarden saidicon_rolleyes.gif In the rest of the world, people supply their own shopping baskets and carts. The five-minutes-use disposable plastic bag - six-months-tangled in the tops of the trees- is just a weird temporary exercise in conspicuous consumption. Besides, all of the cans and bottles roll out of it on the way home. icon_mad.gif

    For comparison, How many lives have been lost to the demise of the pull-tab can? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Years ago, I bought a 12-pack of shopping baskets. I keep one in each vehicle and use them for all sorts of other stuff. Gather your shit into it in the store. Carry your shit out of the store in it. No problem. Except some of the C*nts at the check out try to take them away. Or pack them wrong, with the heavy stuff on top.
    Plastic-Shopping-Basket-300x239.jpg


    besides a ton of stuff, they are baby carriers icon_lol.gif




    ^^^^, if you're a dainty single gay man this mini basket will work, I have used it many times picking up a few things, however, pantry filling can only happen with large push carts, such as Smart & Final bulk shopping, do single gay men not bulk shop? I have seen plenty of people fill these carts to the top, must be $300+ at the register, food stamp recipients with large families have done this, I think its selfish to force either more trips to the store in a obvious SUV, or buying smaller amount at a time so one can accommodate the bring your own carry bag that was forced upon the people

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS9z0udEhkOAyjTELbzQxB

    carts with wheels are much more fun icon_razz.gif





    From the standpoint of environmental responsibility, it makes more sense to do bulk shopping instead of making more trips to the store. Bulk shopping cannot be done without a wheeled shopping cart. Of course if one regularly drives past a supermarket on the way home from work or the gym, there is nothing wrong with buying in small quantities.
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    Jan 01, 2014 9:49 PM GMT
    UK_Fella saidEducation is key here. People need to be educated in carrying bags. Here is the UK, our major retailer, Tesco introduced a scheme where you receive one "Clubcard" point for every old bag you reuse. At the start is was not very popular but now, people are activly using old bags. I have no problem going shopping and reusing a bag. Most bags end up in landfill.

    You have to pay for a bag in the Republic of Ireland and schemes are being introduced or considered in England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland.


    I shop at Smith's Supermarket. When we take our own bags, which I do, they provide a discount for each bag. Surprisingly, few people take their own bags even though they would save money by doing so.
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    Jan 01, 2014 10:14 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    scruffLA said

    If you're a dainty single gay man this mini basket will work, I have used it many times picking up a few things, however, pantry filling can only happen with large push carts, such as Smart & Final bulk shopping, do single gay men not bulk shop? I have seen plenty of people fill these carts to the top, must be $300+ at the register, food stamp recipients with large families have done this, I think its selfish to force either more trips to the store in a obvious SUV, or buying smaller amount.........



    I have one of these along with a water proof liner that I purchased at Bed, Bath and Beyond. I take the bus to go grocery shopping when it comes to buying a lot (no car here). I can wheel about seventy pounds of groceries in this cart a lot easier than any amount of plastic (or canvas, for that matter) bags with handles can.

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    And I ain't dainty, mkay....?!


    seen this a lot in PAris, finds it clever... saw someone stuffed it a lot like it was going to burst, wonder how one manage it on a sardine packed tube.
  • metta

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    Aug 15, 2014 3:17 PM GMT
    California Moves Toward Historic Statewide Ban on Single-Use Plastic Bags

    http://ecowatch.com/2014/08/15/california-ban-plastic-bags/
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    Aug 15, 2014 3:28 PM GMT
    change in America is possible.

    maybe:

    scruffLA saidI DID NOT HAVE A VOTE IN THIS... I did not want this ban ... LA forces this ban but yet are stupid at recycling programs ...


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    Aug 15, 2014 5:35 PM GMT
    Where I live in RI this is one click away from making this same ban. Despite overwhelming support in the state there are still a faction of people who aren't happy about it. Jack and I are good because we both had our own cloth tote bags - washable - we've used for grocery shopping that I wad up in an outside pocket of my gym bag and I have one wadded in the pouch on my bicycle so I'm covered for just in case shopping . . . and those come in handy for me a lot other times than shopping then I just wash them with clothes after and use them for shopping again.
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    Aug 15, 2014 5:46 PM GMT
    I think it's great that places are banning plastic bags. I get tired of suffocating when guys put them over my head while having sex.
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    Aug 15, 2014 5:52 PM GMT
    Ban on plastic bags is great - the country was beginning to look like China, with billions of plastic bags blowing in the wind everywhere. The forced charge for paper bags is ridiculous, however, since they are made entirely of recycled paper, and cost the stores less than they are charging. I have been using the "reusable" bags that stores sell - but one quickly learns how flimsy they are as they begin to fall apart. Probably made in China.
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    Aug 15, 2014 6:24 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidI think it's great that places are banning plastic bags. I get tired of suffocating when guys put them over my head while having sex.

    That's not the plastic bags' fault - that's just miscommunication of your kinks to your partners! Let them know that plastic dry-cleaning bags or ziplocs prevent the feeling of claustrophobia then you're all set! icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 15, 2014 6:26 PM GMT
    HikerSkier saidBan on plastic bags is great - the country was beginning to look like China, with billions of plastic bags blowing in the wind everywhere. The forced charge for paper bags is ridiculous, however, since they are made entirely of recycled paper, and cost the stores less than they are charging. I have been using the "reusable" bags that stores sell - but one quickly learns how flimsy they are as they begin to fall apart. Probably made in China.

    Probably made out of used plastic bags harvested in giant wind catchers! icon_lol.gif
  • metta

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    Aug 30, 2014 6:41 AM GMT
    California Bans the Bag!

    http://www.healthebay.org/blogs-news/last-calif-legislature-oks-statewide-bag-ban
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    Aug 30, 2014 7:10 AM GMT
    madsexy saidWhere I live in RI this is one click away from making this same ban. Despite overwhelming support in the state there are still a faction of people who aren't happy about it. Jack and I are good because we both had our own cloth tote bags - washable - we've used for grocery shopping that I wad up in an outside pocket of my gym bag and I have one wadded in the pouch on my bicycle so I'm covered for just in case shopping . . . and those come in handy for me a lot other times than shopping then I just wash them with clothes after and use them for shopping again.


    I would oppose a complete ban on plastic bags. The problem with a complete ban is that occasionally one may forget reusable bags in which case it should be possible to use disposable plastic or paper bags. Instead of a complete ban, I suggest charging enough for plastic bags so that people will usually use their own reusable bags.
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    Aug 30, 2014 7:14 AM GMT
    HikerSkier saidBan on plastic bags is great - the country was beginning to look like China, with billions of plastic bags blowing in the wind everywhere. The forced charge for paper bags is ridiculous, however, since they are made entirely of recycled paper, and cost the stores less than they are charging. I have been using the "reusable" bags that stores sell - but one quickly learns how flimsy they are as they begin to fall apart. Probably made in China.


    I've had them fall apart too, but got the store to replace them free. I simply show them a cloth bag that I've had for about 25 years which is still good and the flimsy bag I bought from the store, whereupon the store acknowledges that the bag I bought from them should have lasted longer and they replace it free.
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    Aug 30, 2014 7:19 AM GMT
    metta8 saidCalifornia Bans the Bag!

    http://www.healthebay.org/blogs-news/last-calif-legislature-oks-statewide-bag-ban


    When I lived in San Diego, in about 1980 there was a ballot initiative to require a deposit on all beverage containers. The can and bottle companies strongly lobbied against it. To counter that, I joined the group that was supporting the ban and was on their speakers' bureau. I ended up debating the opposition. Some of the arguments the opposition made were truly bizarre.
  • metta

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    Sep 30, 2014 5:01 PM GMT
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    Gov. Jerry Brown on Tuesday signed legislation imposing the nation's first statewide ban on single-use plastic bags, driven to action by a buildup of litter and damage to aquatic ecosystems.

    A national coalition of plastic bag manufacturers immediately said it would seek a voter referendum to repeal the law, which is scheduled to take effect in July 2015.

    Under SB270, plastic bags will be phased out of large grocery stores starting next summer and convenience stores and pharmacies in 2016. The law allows grocers to charge a fee of at least 10 cents for using paper bags.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/california-governor-expected-plastic-bag-ban-25858684
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    Sep 30, 2014 5:38 PM GMT
    Mark my words, we're one step closer to reusable/washable toilet paper icon_cool.gif
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    Sep 30, 2014 5:47 PM GMT
    Svnw688 saidMark my words, we're one step closer to reusable/washable toilet paper icon_cool.gif


    lol....I think that we should be willing to settle for biodegradable/recyclable and made of recyclable materials.
  • metta

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    Jul 02, 2015 12:48 AM GMT
    Hawaii Just Became The First State To Ban Plastic Bags At Grocery Checkouts

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/01/hawaii-plastic-bag-ban_n_7702382.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013