48 year old man infects 17 year old with HIV.

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    Dec 17, 2008 7:59 AM GMT
    This is 2008. If you are stupid enough to get infected by HIV, sorry. The world has told you enough how not to get it. It you are infected now, sorry. I do not feel sorry for you. I feel for you, but I do not feel sorry for you. I can not control your dick, you can. Come on, be responsible. You made decisions.
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    Dec 17, 2008 8:04 AM GMT
    redheadguy saidAIDS/HIV hysteria is alive and kicking on Realjock. Yawn.


    Complacency is even more active on RealJock, (even bigger) YAWN.
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    Dec 17, 2008 8:08 AM GMT
    Triggerman saidThis is 2008. If you are stupid enough to get infected by HIV, sorry. The world has told you enough how not to get it. It you are infected now, sorry. I do not feel sorry for you. I feel for you, but I do not feel sorry for you. I can not control your dick, you can. Come on, be responsible. You made decisions.


    I can't take you seriously either. You're 40 or 50 something and you sound like you're 9 years old. I'm not kidding. I'm completely serious. And debating/arguing with an 9 year old is fruitless.
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    Dec 17, 2008 8:10 AM GMT
    chuckystud3 saidjoeindallas nailed it.

    If someone has the flu (a virus), and it's contagious, they stay home.
    If someone has a cold (a virus), and it's contagious, they stay home.

    From where I live, getting HIV would be one of the single worst things I could do to myself. I'd lose my lifestyle; I'd die younger, etc. Why would anyone choose to be so careless? I just don't get it.

    When a lineman works on a power line, does he do it in the rain? Fuck no.
    When a lineman works on a power line, does he do it without rubber gloves? Fuck no.
    When a lineman works on a power line, does he ground it down if he's taking it cold? Fuck yes.

    Why it that so many of the HIV folks place such a low value on quality of life, and view it as survivable if they get it? Why is it that they taunt an early death?

    I just don't come to grips with the me,me,me, or just plain stupidity, that behavior most certainly entails. I just don't get it.

    Then, they act like they should have special treatment.

    No matter what, anyone with HIV is sick (read the dictionary definition), and they're often contagious, but, so many would have us embrace their ongoing irresponsibility. No matter how you cut it, to me, that means so wrong.


    so you're a lineman!
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    Dec 17, 2008 8:12 AM GMT
    Triggerman saidI think that it is funny that several lawsuits felt lately that it is the guys with HIV are to blame. See all the recent court decisions. Does that not agree with what I have posted? Once again, I am vindicated!!!


    Well, you know I had to look this shit up...I'm curious to know what sources you are using...granted there are several cases in the United Kingdom...the latest two case I could find in the United States were from 2004 [straight male] and then in NYC in December of 2008 [straight male]...

    "Almost three weeks from now in Olympia, on Tuesday, Dec. 21, Anthony Whitfield, 32, will be sentenced on 17 cou"nts of first-degree assault, the most for anyone in recent state history. His crime: having unprotected sex with 17 different women while knowing he was HIV-positive. Whitfield, an unemployed methamphetamine addict, spent the last several years bouncing around among girlfriends, marrying one, having children with two others, maintaining multiple "long-term" relationships, and having a slew of shorter ones. Though he was informed he was HIV-positive in 1992, he never told his partners, in some instances outright lied about his condition, and often refused to wear condoms. Five of the women have since tested positive for HIV, and one has AIDS. After a two-week trial before a Thurston County judge last month, Whitfield was found guilty on all assault counts.

    Ron Soliman / The Olympian
    Anthony Whitfield in court.The case received some crime-of-the-day coverage on local TV news, but was mostly ignored in Seattle and elsewhere. That's surprising, since, based on Seattle Weekly research, no one in America has been charged, let alone convicted, of exposing so many people to the virus."


    http://www.seattleweekly.com/2004-12-01/news/hiv-criminal-intent.php

    http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/queens/2008/12/09/2008-12-09_charged_with_faking_aids_test_for_sex.html

    Most of these laws are hard to bring to criminal prosecution because they are based on TIME/PLACE/MANNER philosophy which was discussed in another forum. Basically:

    Become infected in a bathhouse which is a known risky behavior = you should have known better.

    Become infected after someone has knowingly deceived you and their intent was to hide or cover it up = you probably have a case.

    Much of what is discussed surrounding these cases is how to prove INTENT. Which I think is difficult to prove.

    So, I'm not discounting what you are saying because frankly a great deal can happen in 3 years, but I don't see any coverage of it on the internet as a fast search...so what sources are you using to feel vindicated? [or were you referring to the UK cases?]

    Just curious.

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    Dec 17, 2008 8:17 AM GMT
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    redheadguy saidAIDS/HIV hysteria is alive and kicking on Realjock. Yawn.


    Complacency is even more active on RealJock, (even bigger) YAWN.


    And are you proof of that? With a story in that post of yours, it sounds like someone in the media would have caught it. It isn't a story that goes under the radar undetected. A bar where HIV+ workers knowingly infect customers? I need some proof. And if it is true and no one in the media has picked it up, its because you kids are covering it up. Sounds like your place is in a state of emergency and no one's really doing what needs to be done to solve the problem.

    (For every Bullshitter on this thread)
    Look, I hate bullshit more than anything. Believe in whatever the hell you want but don't espouse bullshit.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit#Carrying_out_a_deception
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    Dec 17, 2008 8:23 AM GMT
    Complancy?

    How about not getting fucked BB by guys you do not know? I see that all the time. Guys ask "are you pos?" " No!" "neither am I, let's fuck" lol

    Then we see all these newly HIV positive guys. How does it spread? From positive guys to negative guys. This is a virus that we give to each other. Gay guys infect gay gays. And so on and so on and so on. Is that even arguable?

    Guys got on me before because they thought I said there should be quarantines. I never said that. But what I did say is gay men have given it to gay men. If not for gay men, HIV would never have been passed on. We give it to each other. All the time. We infect the next generation.

    Is that even arguable? Most gay guys got AIDS from another gay man? Why is that even a question?
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    Dec 17, 2008 8:43 AM GMT
    CitizenSol said
    Maverick75 said
    redheadguy saidAIDS/HIV hysteria is alive and kicking on Realjock. Yawn.


    Complacency is even more active on RealJock, (even bigger) YAWN.


    And are you proof of that? With a story in that post of yours, it sounds like someone in the media would have caught it. It isn't a story that goes under the radar undetected. A bar where HIV+ workers knowingly infect customers? I need some proof. And if it is true and no one in the media has picked it up, its because you kids are covering it up. Sounds like your place is in a state of emergency and no one's really doing what needs to be done to solve the problem.

    (For every Bullshitter on this thread)
    Look, I hate bullshit more than anything. Believe in whatever the hell you want but don't espouse bullshit.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit#Carrying_out_a_deception
    Why would the conservative media of a red state care. Its gays killing gays, they love that! if we fell off the face of the Earth they wouldn't have to deal with us anymore. And since Nebraska has no laws criminalizing HIV whether intent or negligent, why would the media even think they have a story? The article I posted made news because it deals with a victim under 18. And if you paid attention to the dates in the article you would see it happened over a year ago.
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    Dec 17, 2008 8:49 AM GMT
    Triggerman saidComplancy?

    How about not getting fucked BB by guys you do not know? I see that all the time. Guys ask "are you pos?" " No!" "neither am I, let's fuck" lol

    Then we see all these newly HIV positive guys. How does it spread? From positive guys to negative guys. This is a virus that we give to each other. Gay guys infect gay gays. And so on and so on and so on. Is that even arguable?

    Guys got on me before because they thought I said there should be quarantines. I never said that. But what I did say is gay men have given it to gay men. If not for gay men, HIV would never have been passed on. We give it to each other. All the time. We infect the next generation.

    Is that even arguable? Most gay guys got AIDS from another gay man? Why is that even a question?
    And yet the gay community wants the us gov't to increase money for HIV/AIDS programs that aren't going to change the minds of people who REFUSE to practice safe sex. Finding ways to decrease HIV/AIDS in the community ourselves within the community is the only thing that will change it. That money could be better spent finding a cure.
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    Dec 17, 2008 8:50 AM GMT
    This is a rough situation. The boy is at fault for being naive enough to have bareback sex with random strangers off the internet. Or, at best, he's still stupid for being so ignorant about sex.

    However, I guess I just see this very simplistically, or perhaps I'm ignorant here, but I think that anyone who is HIV+ should only have sex with other HIV+ people. It doesn't make sense for a negative person to ever have sex (any sex) with a positive person. It's too risky and unsafe no matter what. I find it really difficult and insulting when positive men think they can have sex with negative guys after they are infected. No. You can't! Once you're infected you don't get to have sex anymore unless it's with another infected person. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh but I'm entitled to my opinion.
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    Dec 17, 2008 8:53 AM GMT
    Pedrosxxx saidThis is a rough situation. The boy is at fault for being naive enough to have bareback sex with random strangers off the internet. Or, at best, he's still stupid for being so ignorant about sex.

    I'm glad you said boy, he's not old enough to be making certain decisions, how can he be to blame?
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    Dec 17, 2008 9:06 AM GMT
    Getting with someone that young when you're that old is just nasty in the first place. Seeing a young man with a much older man is sick. Shame on older men for sucking the life out of the kids. Remember its my opinion, we don't need another lash out.
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    Dec 17, 2008 9:19 AM GMT
    Well as a 40 something pure homosexual. If you see me out with some sweet young thing. Know, it was he who made the first move. I have been stunned over recent years, the young things, who have checked me out; so if you do see me out with some young thing.

    Also one was a child, and the other an Adult+. The adult was the mature responsible one, or should of been. It's all his fault. Maybe not that they had sex, but it was not protected! He gave the wants of his dick, more rights than the care of a youth.
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    Dec 17, 2008 9:22 AM GMT
    Hey-

    Maybe you can say that my stupid simplistic methods are stupid, silly, whatever. say what you want. But I grew up in the middle of AIDS, in 1982, in San Francisco. But I am never got the virus.

    I am 45 years old, grew up in the middle of the AIDS virus, was very sexually active in the middle of the big hit. But I am still negative. Maybe you could listen to me.

    Naw, just listen to others that were not there.

    Have fun. Convert. Whatever. Listen to others, not people that were there.

    Go ahead. Tell them what they need to know.
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    Dec 17, 2008 9:25 AM GMT
    Several things about me:
    1.) I first learned about HIV in 7th grade--but it was not emphasized enough that the virus could be passed through unprotected sex. We learned more about blood transfusions and drug dealers.

    2.) Bareback! Bareback! Bareback! I started to look at gay porn when I was 13 and actually got into it quite a bit that some days I would stay home from school (tisk tisk) and jack off like five-six times.

    3.) When I was 14, I found gay.com and made a profile, lied about my age and location, and had cyber sex with strangers.

    4.) Also at 14 we learned BREIFLY about safe sex--which excluded homosexual sex. STIs were discussed, but they (the teachers) wanted to discourage us from getting pregnant/impregnating someone--something I knew I'd never have to worry about lol. Mind you, I come from a relatively conservative town of 7,000 people.

    5.) Bareback! Bareback! Bareback... VIDEOS! At 15 I started to download videos from Napster, Kazaa, etc. and specifically sought out Bareback Videos. I'd watch, and wait until the top shot his load into the bottom before I would cum... I'd wait because I shot so much more when I waited to see the top shoot first.

    6.) At 23 years of age, I just found out!!!!... That a bottom, who is positive... can infect a top, who is negative! I never thought that was even possible... Ignorance.

    7.) Today my parents have yet to talk to me about the "birds & the bees" let alone safe sex.

    Conclusions/Questions:

    As an ignorant horny teenager, what would you rather do? Look up info on STIs? Or look up porn and feel invincible (a common thought among youngsters)--"that could never happen to me!"

    Why is bareback sex so popular? not just in real life, but in our fantasies? Some porn I have still has bareback scenes... I've even dreamed about being in a bathhouse sling surrounded by like 15 guys and they were going to shot inside me... I woke up hard! Why? I'm not saying it is bad to get horned up from Bareback sex, but perhaps discouraging it, not making bareback porn anymore, and increasing homo sex-ed would help deter fantasies that most guys have of bareback sex. I'm no psychologist though; maybe it's just inert.

    Why do politicians like McCain still insist that abstinence-only education works? Also, they do not want homo sex-ed taught in schools. They hide their heads in the sand and prefer to think of children as innocent.. teaching them more about sex will encourage sex. HA! I'm young... I know what happens in high school and even Jr. High. McCain and his ilk are fools for that believe system.

    How do we encourage safe-ex classes in high school? Well, most colleges require applicants to have certain "requirements": 4 yrs of English; 3 yrs of Science, etc. Colleges should add another requirement--4 years of Health class, with lots of emphasis on Sex ed. Extend the school day if needed. Colleges should analyze the course description as well. This is not a cure-all answer to educating young people... but it couldn't hurt.

    One thing I am happy about--in Portland, Maine, my aunt has a student who is blind--she is a teacher for the blind and travels to several school systems in order to help/teach students who are blind from preschoolers to seniors. Last year, she had to help a male student with something new... something she has probably only done a few times in her life: How to put on a condom? (She is a Catholic and single... no sex lol) All the students filed into the auditorium where they were given a banana and a condom. My aunt had to adapt the learning style in order to teach her blind student how to put a condom on. That is a great start at least.

    Long post, so I'll leave you with these questions again:

    Why is the gay community (overall) infatuated by barebacking?

    Why isn't there more sex-ed out there... let alone gay sex-ed?

    As a horny teen, would you rather look up HIV instead of porn when thinking about sex? (e.g. HIV never came to my mind when I was horny, and I never thought of looking it up when I wasn't horny.)

    Is it helpful to blame people? Or is it more helpful to educate people (like the OP who posted this topic), and/or lobby lawmakers to make it a crime ALL over the US for a HIV+ person to knowingly infect someone else?
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    Dec 17, 2008 9:36 AM GMT
    He answered all my questions:
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    Dec 17, 2008 9:39 AM GMT
    Anyone else ever heard of "chasers?"---negative guys who actively seek out positive guys in order to be infected?

    Note: I find that people are grouping all HIV positive people together as being stupid, irresponsible, etc.

    I have never known anyone positive. But I do know that HIV+ people ARE human. Some who contract the diasease are remorceful, depressed, and/or become advocates for HIV/AIDS... they wish to see more funding for HIV/AIDS programs to help other HUMANS who have also made mistakes.

    We are all human and all make mistakes. these people will have to live with that mistake all the rest of their life. Not everyone is like this 47 yr old man who actuiively has sex with negative guys. It pains me to see some people group all Positive guys together with so much distaste towards them.

    So unless you are not human.... i suggest you watch what you are saying... it COULD happen to you... whether or not you believe it or not (e.g. unprotected oral; condoms breaking, etc.)
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    Dec 17, 2008 9:54 AM GMT
    cjcscuba1984 saidAnyone else ever heard of "chasers?"---negative guys who actively seek out positive guys in order to be infected?

    Note: I find that people are grouping all HIV positive people together as being stupid, irresponsible, etc.

    I have never known anyone positive. But I do know that HIV+ people ARE human. Some who contract the diasease are remorceful, depressed, and/or become advocates for HIV/AIDS... they wish to see more funding for HIV/AIDS programs to help other HUMANS who have also made mistakes.

    We are all human and all make mistakes. these people will have to live with that mistake all the rest of their life. Not everyone is like this 47 yr old man who actuiively has sex with negative guys. It pains me to see some people group all Positive guys together with so much distaste towards them.

    So unless you are not human.... i suggest you watch what you are saying... it COULD happen to you... whether or not you believe it or not (e.g. unprotected oral; condoms breaking, etc.)



    Very well said Mr. which is why we should all be safe and know who we are

    sleeping with. Even so something can happen, you never know what

    your spouse is doing while your away. As to what I said about older men

    with much younger.... Just because the younger wants you, that doesn't

    mean you let it happen. What in the blue hell does this kid know?
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    Dec 17, 2008 10:00 AM GMT
    OK Someone says what I said. Amen
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    Dec 17, 2008 10:48 AM GMT
    Funny I never felt ashamed or bad about being HIV+ until I joined realjock. I guess it is an eye-opener about today's gay men and their capacity (or lack of same) for empathy not to mention knowledge and intelligence.

    The fact that this forum topic was even posted says volumes. It is meant to enrage and shock people as if this is the kind of thing that happens frequently. Fortunately it is not.

    Perhaps instead of spending our time fretting about what HIV+ people are doing and whether they are staying away from the innocent and pure HIV- gay men, we should worry about some of the postings in the sex forum part of RJ where people are discussing whether it is better to "spit or swallow" or whether you like to feel your bf come in your ass.

    This forum topic has mentioned several times the lack of education about safer sex. I am sorry that I do not buy that. If you have a computer and the internet it takes 5 minutes to educate yourself. Or phone up a gay help line. You don't need a teacher in sex ed. class to talk about safer sex. And I can't believe in the 21st century people do not know about HIV. If you can find the time to chat online with guys or to watch gay porn, you have the time to find out how to minimize the risks.
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    SurrealLife saidFunny I never felt ashamed or bad about being HIV+ until I joined realjock. I guess it is an eye-opener about today's gay men and their capacity (or lack of same) for empathy not to mention knowledge and intelligence.

    The fact that this forum topic was even posted says volumes. It is meant to enrage and shock people as if this is the kind of thing that happens frequently. Fortunately it is not.

    Perhaps instead of spending our time fretting about what HIV+ people are doing and whether they are staying away from the innocent and pure HIV- gay men, we should worry about some of the postings in the sex forum part of RJ where people are discussing whether it is better to "spit or swallow" or whether you like to feel your bf come in your ass.

    This forum topic has mentioned several times the lack of education about safer sex. I am sorry that I do not buy that. If you have a computer and the internet it takes 5 minutes to educate yourself. Or phone up a gay help line. You don't need a teacher in sex ed. class to talk about safer sex. And I can't believe in the 21st century people do not know about HIV. If you can find the time to chat online with guys or to watch gay porn, you have the time to find out how to minimize the risks.


    Whether or not you think this topic was meant to enrage, that fact is it does happen. Some people claim many rapes go unreported, as well as sex with a minor, I wonder how many intentional tramsmissions of HIV go unreported?
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    SurrealLife saidFunny I never felt ashamed or bad about being HIV+ until I joined realjock. I guess it is an eye-opener about today's gay men and their capacity (or lack of same) for empathy not to mention knowledge and intelligence.

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    It's a pretty sad world when people want you to be ASHAMED for being healthy and wanting to stay that way. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    SurrealLife saidFunny I never felt ashamed or bad about being HIV+ until I joined realjock. I guess it is an eye-opener about today's gay men and their capacity (or lack of same) for empathy not to mention knowledge and intelligence.

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    It's a pretty sad world when people want you to be ASHAMED for being healthy and wanting to stay that way. icon_rolleyes.gif


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    SurrealLife saidFunny I never felt ashamed or bad about being HIV+ until I joined realjock. I guess it is an eye-opener about today's gay men and their capacity (or lack of same) for empathy not to mention knowledge and intelligence.

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    It's a pretty sad world when people want you to be ASHAMED for being healthy and wanting to stay that way. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Nice one Ryan Reborn.
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    Dec 17, 2008 11:34 AM GMT
    SurrealLife saidFunny I never felt ashamed or bad about being HIV+ until I joined realjock. I guess it is an eye-opener about today's gay men and their capacity (or lack of same) for empathy not to mention knowledge and intelligence.

    The fact that this forum topic was even posted says volumes. It is meant to enrage and shock people as if this is the kind of thing that happens frequently. Fortunately it is not.

    Perhaps instead of spending our time fretting about what HIV+ people are doing and whether they are staying away from the innocent and pure HIV- gay men, we should worry about some of the postings in the sex forum part of RJ where people are discussing whether it is better to "spit or swallow" or whether you like to feel your bf come in your ass.

    This forum topic has mentioned several times the lack of education about safer sex. I am sorry that I do not buy that. If you have a computer and the internet it takes 5 minutes to educate yourself. Or phone up a gay help line. You don't need a teacher in sex ed. class to talk about safer sex. And I can't believe in the 21st century people do not know about HIV. If you can find the time to chat online with guys or to watch gay porn, you have the time to find out how to minimize the risks.


    Sorry but education is the only way to go. Not all people are as bright as you and have the ability, or the inclination, to educate themselves.

    HIV is blown way out of proportion as far as I am concerned, it is actually very hard to get and now much of a chronic disease. Hep C is a more easily transmitted than HIV, more lethal than HIV, more difficult to treat, yet rarely talked about. Syphilis is also a growing threat, unless tested for and treated for.