Would you ever bottom bareback for a person who is HIV+ and 'undetectable'

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    Nov 06, 2014 8:35 AM GMT
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    frogman89 saidWho said I trust him blindly? I saw his new test result every time. I know he takes in his medication with discipline. I know he doesn't fuck around. We share a history that makes me know he won't harm me. I took everything in consideration.



    You do realize there is a gap between test results, right?


    What do you mean by a gap? Search "HIV undetectable gap" There is nothing. Any test result is a snapshot in time. With an HIV test it is a very small point in time. With suppressed ART it is much more consistent. While there are blips and spikes it is uncertain what the effects are, but no transmissions have materialized. ART reaches 97% of it's effectiveness within 6 months. In one paper I read there was no viral semen shedding after 3 years. Long term results are very stable, after the 1st 6 months.


    You are the one arguing the science, I am the one arguing about the implementation. On that note I took a survey from a San Francisco site advocating Prep which had 98% efficacy as the correct answer for proper use of condoms. You keep trying to compare the worst case for condoms with the best case scenario for being undetectable or on Prep so if you stop doing that this discussion doesn't need to go any further because we will be in agreement.


    If you could leave the bullshit below out we could discuss the matter. That's your ignorant shut shaming speaking
    I'm not holding my breath because it's clear you want more people to be willing to BB with Poz guys don't you just like your two mates do


    Condoms CAN be very effective. So can ART. That's why I've quoted Julio Montaner : “So I’m perfectly comfortable to tell people that if you want to go forward and have, for example, unprotected sex while you are being protected by antiretroviral therapy, that is perfectly acceptable. On the other hand, you need to know that in the process of doing that, if there was a breakdown in adherence for example, you put yourself at risk. As long as you are willing and able to live with that kind of small risk, I’m perfectly happy to live with it.”

    “Some people, they want to be 100% sure that there is no risk. So they are not very comfortable with this kind of approach. What I usually tell people is look, if you think wearing condoms is the way to go and you are happy to advise and counsel people that condoms are as good as safe sex, I think you should be fully comfortable with advising fully suppressed individuals on HAART that they are as well protected as when using condoms, if not better protected. If they are concerned and want to use HAART and condoms, that would be even more protective. But that’s a judgement that fully informed couples should make.”

    http://www.positivelite.com/component/zoo/item/a-passionate-man-the-julio-montaner-interview-part-two

    Condoms and ART differ in their implementation. If you want to use the 8% gap from those who start ART 36% to those that are fully suppressed at 28%, how do you compare it to condoms?

    So do I compare the 47% who use condoms always, from 100% who have tried them at one point in their life? Obviously it's not a 53% gap.

    The 28% suppressed on ART compares favorably with the 47% who always use condoms....both approaching 100% if used correctly. They are both great!


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    Nov 06, 2014 10:49 AM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    frogman89 saidWho said I trust him blindly? I saw his new test result every time. I know he takes in his medication with discipline. I know he doesn't fuck around. We share a history that makes me know he won't harm me. I took everything in consideration.



    You do realize there is a gap between test results, right?

    Timm already gave you the answer. After 6 months the level is very stable.
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    Nov 06, 2014 11:35 AM GMT
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    frogman89 saidWho said I trust him blindly? I saw his new test result every time. I know he takes in his medication with discipline. I know he doesn't fuck around. We share a history that makes me know he won't harm me. I took everything in consideration.



    You do realize there is a gap between test results, right?

    Timm already gave you the answer. After 6 months the level is very stable.


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    Nov 06, 2014 11:57 AM GMT
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 said
    frogman89 said
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    frogman89 saidWho said I trust him blindly? I saw his new test result every time. I know he takes in his medication with discipline. I know he doesn't fuck around. We share a history that makes me know he won't harm me. I took everything in consideration.



    You do realize there is a gap between test results, right?

    Timm already gave you the answer. After 6 months the level is very stable.


    http://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0c80ea4d9532a9f9d7376c129fb95bff?convert_to_webp=true


    Again: No facts, just plain bitching. You are just a sad, ridiculous retard.
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    Nov 06, 2014 12:46 PM GMT
    Why the fuck are you still talking to me. You decided to interject with nothing to say you idiot so fuck off

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    Nov 06, 2014 1:13 PM GMT
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 saidWhy the fuck are you still talking to me. You decided to interject with nothing to say you idiot so fuck off

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    Nov 08, 2014 9:30 AM GMT
    I'll give you cudos for actually posting something new in one of the forums however you still keep on being a Sheep and following on from your 2 mates.

    Also not only have you had very little to add to any discussion, when questions are asked directly at you, I haven't seen any answered yet. Not one icon_rolleyes.gif
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    I would never bareback. I have only done it ONCE, with my one and only ex, and he gave me HPV (which, thankfully, my body cleared). That was my warning shot. I got educated about gay sexual health (because, let's face it, it's not taught in schools), and will likely never bareback again in my life.

    And it's not just HIV you have to be worried about. Rectal gonorrhea and chlamydia can infect the rectum just as easily as they can infect the urethra, and can cause scarring of the colon. They don't even need unbroken skin or membrane barriers to infect you.
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    Dec 31, 2014 8:50 PM GMT
    frogman89 said
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    frogman89 saidWho said I trust him blindly? I saw his new test result every time. I know he takes in his medication with discipline. I know he doesn't fuck around. We share a history that makes me know he won't harm me. I took everything in consideration.



    You do realize there is a gap between test results, right?

    Timm already gave you the answer. After 6 months the level is very stable.



    Well that's just great but I'm still not going to let someone I know to be HIV+ stick their loaded gun in my ass. And I'm certainly not going to rely on my health information from Timm of all people. Levels don't just stay stable just because a person is taking their meds regularly. You DO realize that, right? There are millions of gay men who have taken their meds like good little boys, ate right, exercised and still ended up dying of this disease. And their levels fluctuated like a roller coaster.
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    Dec 31, 2014 10:03 PM GMT
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    Levels don't just stay stable just because a person is taking their meds regularly. You DO realize that, right? There are millions of gay men who have taken their meds like good little boys, ate right, exercised and still ended up dying of this disease. And their levels fluctuated like a roller coaster.


    ^ This is false information. There are not "millions of gay men" with HIV. As of Nov 25, 2014 the CDC estimates that 1,201,100 persons aged 13 years and older are living with HIV infection, including 168,300 (14%) who are unaware of their infection in the USA.

    In order to claims that million"s died" as in plural we'd need at least two million to classify it as such. But the entire number is just over a million worldwide. Not only that, this number includes children and heterosexual females with HIV. Not just gay men.

    According to the WHO site 1.5 million people worldwide have died due to HIV related illness. But in America the number is around 650,000. People who die are those not on meds. Not the "good little boys who ate right and went to the gym" like you so snarkishly assert.

    You really should get the facts straight before spreading hyperbole and misinformation. And I would suggest toning down the condescension as it doesn't mix well when purporting grossly false information.



    Corrected. So it's 1.5 million instead of "millions." icon_rolleyes.gif And my snarkiness was directed at the naivity of the person I quoted, not people with HIV.

    Let me get this straight....so you're actually saying that people who take their meds never die of this disease?
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    Dec 31, 2014 10:14 PM GMT
    Radd said
    frogman89 said
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    frogman89 saidWho said I trust him blindly? I saw his new test result every time. I know he takes in his medication with discipline. I know he doesn't fuck around. We share a history that makes me know he won't harm me. I took everything in consideration.



    You do realize there is a gap between test results, right?

    Timm already gave you the answer. After 6 months the level is very stable.



    Well that's just great but I'm still not going to let someone I know to be HIV+ stick their loaded gun in my ass. And I'm certainly not going to rely on my health information from Timm of all people. Levels don't just stay stable just because a person is taking their meds regularly. You DO realize that, right? There are millions of gay men who have taken their meds like good little boys, ate right, exercised and still ended up dying of this disease. And their levels fluctuated like a roller coaster.


    So someone shouldn't listen to me because I am positive, but SHOULD listen to you because you are negative?

    First of all, your assertion that 'millions' have died while taking ART is totally wrong. Quite the contrary..... it has saved millions of lives.

    Impact

    5. Over the last decade, ART scale-up in low- and middle-income countries has saved an estimated 4.2 million lives, and prevented and estimated 800 000 child infections.

    6. Globally, the number of AIDS related deaths decreased from 2.3 million in 2005 to 1.7 million in 2011. In countries with major ART scale-up (such as Brazil or China), the death rate among people living with HIV has decreased by 80%. In South Africa, life expectancy increased from 54 to 60 years between 2005 and 2011, largely due to ART scale-up.

    7. ART also helps to prevent HIV transmission, and has contributed to the global decrease of 20% in the estimated number new infections between 2001 and 2011.

    http://www.who.int/hiv/pub/guidelines/arv2013/15facts/en/

    And viral loads do not fluctuate like a 'roller coaster'. I won't ask for a citation because there isn't one.

    "Once you’re on treatment your viral load should stabilise. However, rather than attaching too much importance to a single viral-load test result, look at the trend in your viral load over time. The time of day your blood sample is taken could influence your viral load, and your viral load might temporarily increase if you’re unwell with an infection, before falling back again. Similarly, some vaccinations (such as a flu vaccination) can cause a temporary variation in your viral load.

    HIV can only become resistant to a drug if it continues to reproduce whilst you are taking that drug. If the reproduction of HIV is kept at very low levels, the appearance of drug resistance should be delayed, hopefully indefinitely. This means that your anti-HIV drugs go on working."

    http://www.aidsmap.com/Viral-load/page/1254932/

    Even the loaded gun analogy is off the mark.

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    Jan 01, 2015 10:53 PM GMT
    HIV+ people like MMTM and Timmm55 advocating blind trust, no wonder HIV keeps spreading in the gay community.
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    Jan 02, 2015 4:12 AM GMT
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    David3K saidHIV+ people like MMTM and Timmm55 advocating blind trust, no wonder HIV keeps spreading in the gay community.


    I used to think you purposely distorted what people said around here with the intent to be maliciously clever. But the more you reveal about yourself here on the threads the more it becomes obvious your way of thinking actually is genuinely provincial. I gave you way too much credit in the past. You truly are deficient and your daily need for confrontation in the threads is an obvious indication that your personal life is very unfulfilling.


    I am not distorting a thing, you and Timmm55 advocate bareback sex all the time and everyone can see that. You promote blind trust which is the cause of so many new HIV infections in the western world. Everyone can see your agendas.
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    I am not distorting a thing, you and Timmm55 advocate bareback sex all the time and everyone can see that. You promote blind trust which is the cause of so many new HIV infections in the western world. Everyone can see your agendas.


    You are most definitely distorting the facts about how HIV is spread. The information is available from the CDC which I and Tim quote all the time. I've grown rather tired of having to point it out to you again and again and again. Your obstinance paired with willful ignorance, and let's not forget your exceptionally poor comprehension skills, are obvious to those here with half a brain.


    Every time you don't like what others have to say -like people exposing you for promoting blind trust- you diss it as if you were some kind of superior being. It only shows how insecure you are, because you actually know that most people WONT bareback with HIV+ men, and many won't have bareback sex at all (which is the wisest). So keep being condescending it won't change a thing, your reality is your reality if being in denial and dismissing facts is your way to deal with it, so be it boy.
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    I am not distorting a thing, you and Timmm55 advocate bareback sex all the time and everyone can see that. You promote blind trust which is the cause of so many new HIV infections in the western world. Everyone can see your agendas.


    You are most definitely distorting the facts about how HIV is spread. The information is available from the CDC which I and Tim quote all the time. I've grown rather tired of having to point it out to you again and again and again. Your obstinance paired with willful ignorance, and let's not forget your exceptionally poor comprehension skills, are obvious to those here with half a brain.


    Every time you don't like what others have to say -like people exposing you for promoting blind trust- you diss it as if you were some kind of superior being. It only shows how insecure you are, because you actually know that most people WONT bareback with HIV+ men, and many won't have bareback sex at all (which is the wisest). So keep being condescending it won't change a thing, your reality is your reality if being in denial and dismissing facts is your way to deal with it, so be it boy.



    "you actually know that most people WONT bareback with HIV+ men, and many won't have bareback sex at all (which is the wisest)"

    The first part is true and that's up to the Negative guy to decide. If the second part was true, we wouldn't have 50,000 new cases in the US every year.....would we?

    Again here's the ACON position on What is Safe(r) Sex:

    1.The use of Condoms during
    casual encounters between men of unknown or discordant serostatus.
    2.HIV negative men taking effective pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP).
    3.Men living with HIV who only have sex without condoms when they have a sustained undetectable viral load (UVL) and in the absence
    of sexually transmissible infections (STIs).
    4.Effective use of serosorting between HIV positive men.
    5.Effective negotiated safety agreements.

    http://www.acon.org.au/sites/default/files/What-is-Safe-Sex-Position-2014.pdf

    I follow the above EXACTLY. Remember that Australia originally dismissed the Swiss statement, saying there would be a 10 fold increase with TasP. Yet 6 years later they did an about face, completely embracing Dr. Julio Montaner concept of "Treatment as Prevention". They were not too insecure to face facts. The old model of "condoms only" was not working. In fact their HIV rates were increasing, while around the world the trend was down, largely due to TasP.

    Does that mean they have abandoned condoms? No of course not. Note it is #1 of the 5 above.
    Australia's Largest Condom Erected In Hyde Park

    http://www.acon.org.au/about-acon/Newsroom/Media-Releases/2014/115
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    Jan 03, 2015 7:31 PM GMT
    HIV most often passed on by younger gay men who have undiagnosed HIV, are not on treatment, and have an ongoing partnership

    http://www.aidsmap.com/HIV-most-often-passed-on-by-younger-gay-men-who-have-undiagnosed-HIV-are-not-on-treatment-and-have-an-ongoing-partnership/page/2928944/

    Simply put: Men who are living with HIV without being aware of it cannot take HIV treatment and cannot make informed decisions about their sexual behaviour, so are more likely to pass HIV on.

    There is no BB agenda. There aren't Undetectable men "gift giving"......simply there are 1 in 5 who just don't know. Ignorance breeds HIV.
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    Jan 04, 2015 5:30 AM GMT
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    "you actually know that most people WONT bareback with HIV+ men, and many won't have bareback sex at all (which is the wisest)"


    ^ Very well said. So simple and yet so true.
    The small handful of imbeciles on this site who perpetually lambaste others are uneducated and very stubborn. They're just looking for scapegoats to dump their frustration out on.


    ROFL, how stupid can you be? It was me who said that, not Timmm55. You're quoting me. I was referring to how most people won't bareback at all outside monogamous relationships, how they care about their health; how all your efforts to dismiss HIV and convince people it is safe to bareback are not really working. You are the one with limited comprehension skills, you're just a brainless toxic idiot.
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    Jan 04, 2015 7:19 PM GMT
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    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    timmm55 said

    "you actually know that most people WONT bareback with HIV+ men, and many won't have bareback sex at all (which is the wisest)"


    ^ Very well said. So simple and yet so true.
    The small handful of imbeciles on this site who perpetually lambaste others are uneducated and very stubborn. They're just looking for scapegoats to dump their frustration out on.


    ROFL, how stupid can you be? It was me who said that, not Timmm55. You're quoting me. I was referring to how most people won't bareback at all outside monogamous relationships, how they care about their health; how all your efforts to dismiss HIV and convince people it is safe to bareback are not really working. You are the one with limited comprehension skills, you're just a brainless toxic idiot.


    Actually for once we agreed on a minor point.
    I said "The first part is true and that's up to the Negative guy to decide. If the second part was true, we wouldn't have 50,000 new cases in the US every year.....would we?" There are guys who have safer sex, but too few. (By ACON's definition, not yours)

    It does show what an ass you are though.

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    "you actually know that most people WONT bareback with HIV+ men, and many won't have bareback sex at all (which is the wisest)"


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    timmm55 saidActually for once we agreed on a minor point.
    I It is everywhere "The first part is true and that's up to the Negative guy to decide. If the second part was true, we wouldn't have 50,000 new cases in the US every year.....would we?" There are guys who have safer sex, but too few. (By ACON's definition, not yours)

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    It does show what an ass you are though.


    This is Highly entertaining and Ive missed the misguided but passionate Moronic rantings I see posted on here. I have been away visiting family interstate and both in Sydney & more so in Brisbame the humidity has been extreme for months now & most Gay men don't need much of an excuse to get in on naked so I can imagine the rates of casual sex and in the current environment BB sex would be increased.

    I expect to see a rise in HIV and other infections over the course of Summer which still has seven weeks to go and autumn is usually warm/hot for just as long. After that plus a window period the July stats will be very informative about how the general public interpret the push from some HIV rights advocates to distort facts and at the potential detriment of the lives of those they are pretending to be protecting.

    It's not everyone and most agencies are being responsible where educatedIndividuals with their own agenda twist stories and facts to support their world view point. Maybe social media shouldn't influence but it does we must not pretend people take things on here as just trash talk

    I also want to clear up a lie which is beggining to exposed which is to quote the following, "I have an allergy to using Condoms". Myself I used to not engage sexually with men who say that about condoms meaning I didnt Chance ask but curiosity led me to engage verbally to find out how & why this so call allergy came about for them. I didn't let the guys I spoke to know that I have researched this subject. While it is an issue for real in a small number of cases for most its psychological and 6 guys out of the 8 I spoke to admited it was a mindset not medical issue
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    David3K said

    "you actually know that most people WONT bareback with HIV+ men, and many won't have bareback sex at all (which is the wisest)"


    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    timmm55 saidActually for once we agreed on a minor point.
    I It is everywhere "The first part is true and that's up to the Negative guy to decide. If the second part was true, we wouldn't have 50,000 new cases in the US every year.....would we?" There are guys who have safer sex, but too few. (By ACON's definition, not yours)

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    It does show what an ass you are though.


    This is Highly entertaining and Ive missed the misguided but passionate Moronic rantings I see posted on here. I have been away visiting family interstate and both in Sydney & more so in Brisbame the humidity has been extreme for months now & most Gay men don't need much of an excuse to get in on naked so I can imagine the rates of casual sex and in the current environment BB sex would be increased.

    I expect to see a rise in HIV and other infections over the course of Summer which still has seven weeks to go and autumn is usually warm/hot for just as long. After that plus a window period the July stats will be very informative about how the general public interpret the push from some HIV rights advocates to distort facts and at the potential detriment of the lives of those they are pretending to be protecting.

    It's not everyone and most agencies are being responsible where educatedIndividuals with their own agenda twist stories and facts to support their world view point. Maybe social media shouldn't influence but it does we must not pretend people take things on here as just trash talk

    I also want to clear up a lie which is beggining to exposed which is to quote the following, "I have an allergy to using Condoms". Myself I used to not engage sexually with men who say that about condoms meaning I didnt Chance ask but curiosity led me to engage verbally to find out how & why this so call allergy came about for them. I didn't let the guys I spoke to know that I have researched this subject. While it is an issue for real in a small number of cases for most its psychological and 6 guys out of the 8 I spoke to admited it was a mindset not medical issue



    More dumb shit crap. I read one sentence...it was so stupid. Not worth responding.
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    Hmm well that figures as I have a male nurse lying next to me now who has years of experiece working with AIDS patients and POZ guys and your entertaining him with your agenda so please keep it going we all need a good laugh. Who knows you may meet him when your theories land you in poor health resulting in hospitalisation
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    Sydneyrugbyjock73 saidHmm well that figures as I have a male nurse lying next to me now who has years of experiece working with AIDS patients and POZ guys and your entertaining him with your agenda so please keep it going we all need a good laugh. Who knows you may meet him when your theories land you in poor health resulting in hospitalisation


    A nurse? Do you want to compare his expertise to Dr. Julio Montaner? Sleeping with you disqualifies him as an intelligent being.

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    [quote][cite]Sydneyrugbyjock73 said[

    I expect to see a rise in HIV and other infections over the course of Summer which still has seven weeks to go and autumn is usually warm/hot for just as long. After that plus a window period the July stats will be very informative about how the general public interpret the push from some HIV rights advocates to distort facts and at the potential detriment of the lives of those they are pretending to be protecting.

    [/quote]

    Then be prepared to be disappointed.

    Since the introduction of TasP worldwide rates of new infections are down 1/3 in the US. People are living much longer.

    Australia is only now embracing TasP, after experiencing a 20 year HIGH of new HIV infections. Remember that they had a paper against the Swiss Study claiming a 10 fold increase if Treatment as Prevention was instituted.

    Actually Australia has the best antiviral cascade in the world right now. 60+% compared to the US at 30%.

    If there's an increase THIS year it's from the old policy, expect a dramatic reduction next year.

    STDs however will probably rise.

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    timmm55 said[quote][cite]Sydneyrugbyjock73 said[

    I expect to see a rise in HIV and other infections over the course of Summer which still has seven weeks to go and autumn is usually warm/hot for just as long. After that plus a window period the July stats will be very informative about how the general public interpret the push from some HIV rights advocates to distort facts and at the potential detriment of the lives of those they are pretending to be protecting.



    Then be prepared to be disappointed.

    Since the introduction of TasP worldwide rates of new infections are down 1/3 in the US. People are living much longer.

    Australia is only now embracing TasP, after experiencing a 20 year HIGH of new HIV infections. Remember that they had a paper against the Swiss Study claiming a 10 fold increase if Treatment as Prevention was instituted.

    Actually Australia has the best antiviral cascade in the world right now. 60+% compared to the US at 30%.

    If there's an increase THIS year it's from the old policy, expect a dramatic reduction next year.

    STDs however will probably rise.

    [/quote]

    Congratulations Timm55 first you manipulated facts and the statements made by people who claim to be experts, however you have now graduated to manufacturing statistics.

    Your rampent idiodict rantings have credibility yet you keep insisting that you have something to say that will some how educate people and reduce transmission of HIV.

    Get this message from the public who don't want to become HIV+. Take some responsibility for the potential spread of the virus from your actions. Also stop pretending that the currently HIV negative should take all the responsibity just so you can bareback. Bareback sex has never been demonstrated to provide anything that sex with condoms does but psychological stimulation and convenience of quicker and easier sex, yet Gay Culture re-enforces the ideal of bareback sex through porn and the spreading of propaganda by the
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    Sydneyrugbyjock73 said
    timmm55 said[quote][cite]Sydneyrugbyjock73 said[

    I expect to see a rise in HIV and other infections over the course of Summer which still has seven weeks to go and autumn is usually warm/hot for just as long. After that plus a window period the July stats will be very informative about how the general public interpret the push from some HIV rights advocates to distort facts and at the potential detriment of the lives of those they are pretending to be protecting.



    Then be prepared to be disappointed.

    Since the introduction of TasP worldwide rates of new infections are down 1/3 in the US. People are living much longer.

    Australia is only now embracing TasP, after experiencing a 20 year HIGH of new HIV infections. Remember that they had a paper against the Swiss Study claiming a 10 fold increase if Treatment as Prevention was instituted.

    Actually Australia has the best antiviral cascade in the world right now. 60+% compared to the US at 30%.

    If there's an increase THIS year it's from the old policy, expect a dramatic reduction next year.

    STDs however will probably rise.



    Congratulations Timm55 first you manipulated facts and the statements made by people who claim to be experts, however you have now graduated to manufacturing statistics.

    Your rampent idiodict rantings have credibility yet you keep insisting that you have something to say that will some how educate people and reduce transmission of HIV.

    Get this message from the public who don't want to become HIV+. Take some responsibility for the potential spread of the virus from your actions. Also stop pretending that the currently HIV negative should take all the responsibity just so you can bareback. Bareback sex has never been demonstrated to provide anything that sex with condoms does but psychological stimulation and convenience of quicker and easier sex, yet Gay Culture re-enforces the ideal of bareback sex through porn and the spreading of propaganda by the
    Likes of you [/quote]

    Name one that is a lie or manufactured! They are all easily verifiable. I've provided links to all in the past.