Nov 06, 2014 8:35 AM GMT
Sydneyrugbyjock73 saidtimmm55 saidScruffypup saidfrogman89 saidWho said I trust him blindly? I saw his new test result every time. I know he takes in his medication with discipline. I know he doesn't fuck around. We share a history that makes me know he won't harm me. I took everything in consideration.
You do realize there is a gap between test results, right?
What do you mean by a gap? Search "HIV undetectable gap" There is nothing. Any test result is a snapshot in time. With an HIV test it is a very small point in time. With suppressed ART it is much more consistent. While there are blips and spikes it is uncertain what the effects are, but no transmissions have materialized. ART reaches 97% of it's effectiveness within 6 months. In one paper I read there was no viral semen shedding after 3 years. Long term results are very stable, after the 1st 6 months.
You are the one arguing the science, I am the one arguing about the implementation. On that note I took a survey from a San Francisco site advocating Prep which had 98% efficacy as the correct answer for proper use of condoms. You keep trying to compare the worst case for condoms with the best case scenario for being undetectable or on Prep so if you stop doing that this discussion doesn't need to go any further because we will be in agreement.
If you could leave the bullshit below out we could discuss the matter. That's your ignorant shut shaming speaking I'm not holding my breath because it's clear you want more people to be willing to BB with Poz guys don't you just like your two mates do
Condoms CAN be very effective. So can ART. That's why I've quoted Julio Montaner : “So I’m perfectly comfortable to tell people that if you want to go forward and have, for example, unprotected sex while you are being protected by antiretroviral therapy, that is perfectly acceptable. On the other hand, you need to know that in the process of doing that, if there was a breakdown in adherence for example, you put yourself at risk. As long as you are willing and able to live with that kind of small risk, I’m perfectly happy to live with it.”
“Some people, they want to be 100% sure that there is no risk. So they are not very comfortable with this kind of approach. What I usually tell people is look, if you think wearing condoms is the way to go and you are happy to advise and counsel people that condoms are as good as safe sex, I think you should be fully comfortable with advising fully suppressed individuals on HAART that they are as well protected as when using condoms, if not better protected. If they are concerned and want to use HAART and condoms, that would be even more protective. But that’s a judgement that fully informed couples should make.”
Condoms and ART differ in their implementation. If you want to use the 8% gap from those who start ART 36% to those that are fully suppressed at 28%, how do you compare it to condoms?
So do I compare the 47% who use condoms always, from 100% who have tried them at one point in their life? Obviously it's not a 53% gap.
The 28% suppressed on ART compares favorably with the 47% who always use condoms....both approaching 100% if used correctly. They are both great!