WP: Evidence supports officer’s account of shooting in Ferguson

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  Oct 22, 2014 8:40 PM GMT

  Ultimately if this holds, this is pretty sad and reinforces how some are so easily manipulated to riot by demagogues who have little interest in "justice".
  
  http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-evidence-supports-officers-account-of-shooting-in-ferguson/2014/10/22/cf38c7b4-5964-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html
  
  

  Ferguson, Mo., police officer Darren Wilson and Michael Brown fought for control of the officer’s gun, and Wilson fatally shot the unarmed teenager after he moved toward the officer as they faced off in the street, according to interviews, news accounts and the full report of the St. Louis County autopsy of Brown’s body.
  
  Because Wilson is white and Brown was black, the case has ignited intense debate over how police interact with African American men. But more than a half-dozen unnamed black witnesses have provided testimony to a St. Louis County grand jury that largely supports Wilson’s account of events of Aug. 9, according to several people familiar with the investigation who spoke with The Washington Post.
  
  Some of the physical evidence — including blood spatter analysis, shell casings and ballistics tests — also supports Wilson’s account of the shooting, The Post’s sources said, which cast Brown as an aggressor who threatened the officer’s life. The sources spoke on condition of anonymity because they are prohibited from publicly discussing the case.

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  More:
  http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/22/ferguson-michael-brown-autopsy-report/17708789/
  
  

  The county report says a preliminary investigation indicates Brown became "belligerent" with officer Darren Wilson after Wilson asked him to stop walking in the street. The report says Wilson attempted to get out of his patrol car and that Brown, 18, pushed the door shut "and began to struggle with Officer Wilson."
  
  The report says the gun went off during the struggle and that Brown fled. Wilson gave chase, the report said, and opened fire when Brown turned and started running back toward the officer.
  
  Brown's family says the officer attempted to pull Brown into the patrol car and that the teen was killed when, after fleeing, he turned around and raised his hands to surrender.
  
  Michael Graham, who is medical examiner for the city of St. Louis and is not part of the official investigation, reviewed the autopsy report and said it "does support that there was a significant altercation at the car."

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  Oct 22, 2014 10:34 PM GMT

  Like he couldn't have used a taser???
  
  Being "belligerent" should not give anyone a death sentence.
  
  That's like saying, he was mad and talking shit so he deserved to die.
  
  FAIL

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  HottJoe saidLike he couldn't have used a taser???
  
  Being "belligerent" should not give anyone a death sentence.
  
  That's like saying, he was mad and talking shit so he deserved to die.
  
  FAIL

  
  
  I think it depends. If Brown in went for the officer's gun and had it, it's a completely different scenario than the one you're painting.
  
  Ideally both would have lived. But in the very least this is a very different narrative than the one being pushed by some politicians and demagogues even here at RJ just after the incident.

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  " Wilson fatally shot the unarmed teenager after he moved toward the officer as they faced off in the street " the article states.
  
  Yet "the unarmed teenager", Michael Brown also had his arms raised in an obvious surrender.
  
  
  riddler78, Reexamine the evidence while imagining that the officer was black and the victim was white. I suspect that could alter your perception in this case.

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  Determinate said" Wilson fatally shot the unarmed teenager after he moved toward the officer as they faced off in the street " the article states.
  
  Yet "the unarmed teenager", Michael Brown also had his arms raised in an obvious surrender.
  
  
  riddler78, Reexamine the evidence while imagining that the officer was black and the victim was white. I suspect that could alter your perception in this case.

  
  
  It really doesn't - though I suspect you may not really know what my perception is...
  
  As a general rule, regardless of race, I believe cops have a tendency to use too much force and are armed far more than they need to be (militarization of police should be a big concern especially with no knock raids).
  
  I also don't think that individual cops have an easy job though question the motives of some who actually want to be cops hoping that they do enough screening for megalomaniacs, sociopaths but I assume they don't.
  
  Note that the article also states "an analysis of which also suggests that the 18-year-old may not have had his hands raised when he was fatally shot, as has been the contention of protesters who have demanded Wilson’s arrest". There is enough here to even the most ardent defender of Brown to question whether or not he was innocent in this as he originally painted out to be...
  
  (and to be fair, I always though that marijuana made people mellow and lazy rather than putting them in a rage - but then again, I saw how one coroner had said it can have the opposite effect in a small minority of people).

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  Determinate said" Wilson fatally shot the unarmed teenager after he moved toward the officer as they faced off in the street " the article states.
  
  Yet "the unarmed teenager", Michael Brown also had his arms raised in an obvious surrender.
  
  
  riddler78, Reexamine the evidence while imagining that the officer was black and the victim was white. I suspect that could alter your perception in this case.

  
  
  It really doesn't - though I suspect you may not really know what my perception is...
  
  As a general rule, regardless of race, I believe cops have a tendency to use too much force and are armed far more than they need to be (militarization of police should be a big concern especially with no knock raids).
  
  I also don't think that individual cops have an easy job though question the motives of some who actually want to be cops hoping that they do enough screening for megalomaniacs, sociopaths but I assume they don't.
  
  Note that the article also states "an analysis of which also suggests that the 18-year-old may not have had his hands raised when he was fatally shot, as has been the contention of protesters who have demanded Wilson’s arrest". There is enough here to even the most ardent defender of Brown to question whether or not he was innocent in this as he originally painted out to be...
  
  (and to be fair, I always though that marijuana made people mellow and lazy rather than putting them in a rage - but then again, I saw how one coroner had said it can have the opposite effect in a small minority of people).

  
  You're talking about reefer madness, which has been debunked as baseless propaganda. Kinda like all of your posts.

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  HottJoe said

  riddler78 said

  Determinate said" Wilson fatally shot the unarmed teenager after he moved toward the officer as they faced off in the street " the article states.
  
  Yet "the unarmed teenager", Michael Brown also had his arms raised in an obvious surrender.
  
  
  riddler78, Reexamine the evidence while imagining that the officer was black and the victim was white. I suspect that could alter your perception in this case.

  
  
  It really doesn't - though I suspect you may not really know what my perception is...
  
  As a general rule, regardless of race, I believe cops have a tendency to use too much force and are armed far more than they need to be (militarization of police should be a big concern especially with no knock raids).
  
  I also don't think that individual cops have an easy job though question the motives of some who actually want to be cops hoping that they do enough screening for megalomaniacs, sociopaths but I assume they don't.
  
  Note that the article also states "an analysis of which also suggests that the 18-year-old may not have had his hands raised when he was fatally shot, as has been the contention of protesters who have demanded Wilson’s arrest". There is enough here to even the most ardent defender of Brown to question whether or not he was innocent in this as he originally painted out to be...
  
  (and to be fair, I always though that marijuana made people mellow and lazy rather than putting them in a rage - but then again, I saw how one coroner had said it can have the opposite effect in a small minority of people).

  
  You're talking about reefer madness, which has been debunked as baseless propaganda. Kinda like all of your posts.

  
  
  Your wishful thinking doesn't make it so... you have yet to debunk anything really - but that's more a reflection of how you don't bother to wrestle with cognitive dissonance more than anything.
  
  Again given the number of witnesses in this case - some of whom were black who support the account of the cop, it's surprising that there's so little doubt in your mind of a narrative created by people, many of whom who weren't even there. Given that I'm no doctor or researcher in the field I'm happy to defer to people who do know better on the issue of what you're calling "reefer madness".
  
  What does however seem apparent based on the evidence is that Michael Brown was violent AND he was high. Whether or not the two are related really isn't the point anymore.

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  riddler78 said

  HottJoe said

  riddler78 said

  Determinate said" Wilson fatally shot the unarmed teenager after he moved toward the officer as they faced off in the street " the article states.
  
  Yet "the unarmed teenager", Michael Brown also had his arms raised in an obvious surrender.
  
  
  riddler78, Reexamine the evidence while imagining that the officer was black and the victim was white. I suspect that could alter your perception in this case.

  
  
  It really doesn't - though I suspect you may not really know what my perception is...
  
  As a general rule, regardless of race, I believe cops have a tendency to use too much force and are armed far more than they need to be (militarization of police should be a big concern especially with no knock raids).
  
  I also don't think that individual cops have an easy job though question the motives of some who actually want to be cops hoping that they do enough screening for megalomaniacs, sociopaths but I assume they don't.
  
  Note that the article also states "an analysis of which also suggests that the 18-year-old may not have had his hands raised when he was fatally shot, as has been the contention of protesters who have demanded Wilson’s arrest". There is enough here to even the most ardent defender of Brown to question whether or not he was innocent in this as he originally painted out to be...
  
  (and to be fair, I always though that marijuana made people mellow and lazy rather than putting them in a rage - but then again, I saw how one coroner had said it can have the opposite effect in a small minority of people).

  
  You're talking about reefer madness, which has been debunked as baseless propaganda. Kinda like all of your posts.

  
  
  Your wishful thinking doesn't make it so... you have yet to debunk anything really - but that's more a reflection of how you don't bother to wrestle with cognitive dissonance more than anything.
  
  Again given the number of witnesses in this case - some of whom were black who support the account of the cop, it's surprising that there's so little doubt in your mind of a narrative created by people, many of whom who weren't even there. Given that I'm no doctor or researcher in the field I'm happy to defer to people who do know better on the issue of what you're calling "reefer madness".
  
  What does however seem apparent based on the evidence is that Michael Brown was violent AND he was high. Whether or not the two are related really isn't the point anymore.

  
  There's been very little research done on marijuana, because it is a banned substance, yet you believe the anecdotal "science" behind it.
  
  Meanwhile, you deny climate change science, which has been one of the most heavily researched fields of the last decade.
  
  Hypocrite much?

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  HottJoe said

  riddler78 said

  HottJoe said

  riddler78 said

  Determinate said" Wilson fatally shot the unarmed teenager after he moved toward the officer as they faced off in the street " the article states.
  
  Yet "the unarmed teenager", Michael Brown also had his arms raised in an obvious surrender.
  
  
  riddler78, Reexamine the evidence while imagining that the officer was black and the victim was white. I suspect that could alter your perception in this case.

  
  
  It really doesn't - though I suspect you may not really know what my perception is...
  
  As a general rule, regardless of race, I believe cops have a tendency to use too much force and are armed far more than they need to be (militarization of police should be a big concern especially with no knock raids).
  
  I also don't think that individual cops have an easy job though question the motives of some who actually want to be cops hoping that they do enough screening for megalomaniacs, sociopaths but I assume they don't.
  
  Note that the article also states "an analysis of which also suggests that the 18-year-old may not have had his hands raised when he was fatally shot, as has been the contention of protesters who have demanded Wilson’s arrest". There is enough here to even the most ardent defender of Brown to question whether or not he was innocent in this as he originally painted out to be...
  
  (and to be fair, I always though that marijuana made people mellow and lazy rather than putting them in a rage - but then again, I saw how one coroner had said it can have the opposite effect in a small minority of people).

  
  You're talking about reefer madness, which has been debunked as baseless propaganda. Kinda like all of your posts.

  
  
  Your wishful thinking doesn't make it so... you have yet to debunk anything really - but that's more a reflection of how you don't bother to wrestle with cognitive dissonance more than anything.
  
  Again given the number of witnesses in this case - some of whom were black who support the account of the cop, it's surprising that there's so little doubt in your mind of a narrative created by people, many of whom who weren't even there. Given that I'm no doctor or researcher in the field I'm happy to defer to people who do know better on the issue of what you're calling "reefer madness".
  
  What does however seem apparent based on the evidence is that Michael Brown was violent AND he was high. Whether or not the two are related really isn't the point anymore.

  
  There's been very little research done on marijuana, because it is a banned substance, yet you believe the anecdotal "science" behind it.
  
  Meanwhile, you deny climate change science, which has been one of the most heavily researched fields of the last decade.
  
  Hypocrite much?

  
  
  Where have I denied climate change science? I have only disagreed with the prescriptive policy approach to climate change - I have made great pains to repeatedly point out to you that I assume that the earth has been warming - though far less quickly than climate models have previously projected. You are actually delusional as much as you believe I am a hypocrite.
  
  As far as marijuana, did I say that I believed in anecdotal science? Where precisely did you read this? I simply referenced a presumed expert - which seemed far more insightful than you have ever been here. At the same time I noted that it doesn't make much of a difference because irrespective of what one believes of whether marijuana can have different violent effects on people, the fact remains that in this case, Brown appeared to be violent AND high.
  
  Once again you prove an inability to "debunk" but also an inability to think and struggle with that thing called cognitive dissonance.

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  ^ So you believe in manmade global warming, due to carbon emissions and other pollution, which is the conclusion drawn by climate scientists?

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  Joe - you've again shown yourself to be a fool. If you want to talk about this subject then feel free to, but clearly you are out of your depth.
  
  There's also this:
  Report: African-American Witnesses Support Wilson’s Claims But Are Afraid To Come Forward
  
  http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/22/report-african-american-witnesses-support-wilsons-claims-but-are-afraid-to-come-forward/

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  riddler78 saidJoe - you've again shown yourself to be a fool. If you want to talk about this subject then feel free to, but clearly you are out of your depth.
  
  There's also this:
  Report: African-American Witnesses Support Wilson’s Claims But Are Afraid To Come Forward
  
  http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/22/report-african-american-witnesses-support-wilsons-claims-but-are-afraid-to-come-forward/

  
  Nice job dodging the question. Clearly, you only promote theories that fit with your agenda, whether it's promoting filthy energy or police brutality and racial profiling. You must be a social media terrorist... (make that a wannabe social media terrorist, because no1currs).

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  riddler78 saidJoe - you've again shown yourself to be a fool. If you want to talk about this subject then feel free to, but clearly you are out of your depth.
  
  There's also this:
  Report: African-American Witnesses Support Wilson’s Claims But Are Afraid To Come Forward
  
  http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/22/report-african-american-witnesses-support-wilsons-claims-but-are-afraid-to-come-forward/

  
  Nice job dodging the question. Clearly, you only promote theories that fit with your agenda, whether it's promoting filthy energy or police brutality and racial profiling. You must be a social media terrorist... (make that a wannabe social media terrorist, because no1currs).

  
  
  The only person who seems to be dodging questions with irrelevant comments appears to be you.
  
  But do please try again to be relevant next time.

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  riddler78 said

  HottJoe said

  riddler78 saidJoe - you've again shown yourself to be a fool. If you want to talk about this subject then feel free to, but clearly you are out of your depth.
  
  There's also this:
  Report: African-American Witnesses Support Wilson’s Claims But Are Afraid To Come Forward
  
  http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/22/report-african-american-witnesses-support-wilsons-claims-but-are-afraid-to-come-forward/

  
  Nice job dodging the question. Clearly, you only promote theories that fit with your agenda, whether it's promoting filthy energy or police brutality and racial profiling. You must be a social media terrorist... (make that a wannabe social media terrorist, because no1currs).

  
  
  The only person who seems to be dodging questions with irrelevant comments appears to be you.
  
  But do please try again to be relevant next time.

  
  You don't have any evidence that Brown was a threat to the cop. He wasn't even armed.

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  HottJoe said

  riddler78 said

  HottJoe said

  riddler78 saidJoe - you've again shown yourself to be a fool. If you want to talk about this subject then feel free to, but clearly you are out of your depth.
  
  There's also this:
  Report: African-American Witnesses Support Wilson’s Claims But Are Afraid To Come Forward
  
  http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/22/report-african-american-witnesses-support-wilsons-claims-but-are-afraid-to-come-forward/

  
  Nice job dodging the question. Clearly, you only promote theories that fit with your agenda, whether it's promoting filthy energy or police brutality and racial profiling. You must be a social media terrorist... (make that a wannabe social media terrorist, because no1currs).

  
  
  The only person who seems to be dodging questions with irrelevant comments appears to be you.
  
  But do please try again to be relevant next time.

  
  You don't have any evidence that Brown was a threat to the cop. He wasn't even armed.

  
  
  Do please at least try to read. Again, read the link above from the Washington Post. Do you always ignore anything that runs contrary to your beliefs?

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  Oct 23, 2014 6:22 PM GMT

  riddler78 said

  HottJoe said

  riddler78 said

  HottJoe said

  riddler78 saidJoe - you've again shown yourself to be a fool. If you want to talk about this subject then feel free to, but clearly you are out of your depth.
  
  There's also this:
  Report: African-American Witnesses Support Wilson’s Claims But Are Afraid To Come Forward
  
  http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/22/report-african-american-witnesses-support-wilsons-claims-but-are-afraid-to-come-forward/

  
  Nice job dodging the question. Clearly, you only promote theories that fit with your agenda, whether it's promoting filthy energy or police brutality and racial profiling. You must be a social media terrorist... (make that a wannabe social media terrorist, because no1currs).

  
  
  The only person who seems to be dodging questions with irrelevant comments appears to be you.
  
  But do please try again to be relevant next time.

  
  You don't have any evidence that Brown was a threat to the cop. He wasn't even armed.

  
  
  Do please at least try to read. Again, read the link above from the Washington Post. Do you always ignore anything that runs contrary to your beliefs?

  
  I read it. The whole thing seems fabricated. According to the article, there's no way of knowing if Brown had his hands up based on an autopsy. It also said he was shot at least 6 times. If they can't even tell exactly how many times he was shot, then their report is too vague. This is yellow journalism. It's disgusting, and his family is right to not believe anything these shady officials tell them.

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  HottJoe said

  riddler78 said

  HottJoe said

  riddler78 said

  HottJoe said

  riddler78 saidJoe - you've again shown yourself to be a fool. If you want to talk about this subject then feel free to, but clearly you are out of your depth.
  
  There's also this:
  Report: African-American Witnesses Support Wilson’s Claims But Are Afraid To Come Forward
  
  http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/22/report-african-american-witnesses-support-wilsons-claims-but-are-afraid-to-come-forward/

  
  Nice job dodging the question. Clearly, you only promote theories that fit with your agenda, whether it's promoting filthy energy or police brutality and racial profiling. You must be a social media terrorist... (make that a wannabe social media terrorist, because no1currs).

  
  
  The only person who seems to be dodging questions with irrelevant comments appears to be you.
  
  But do please try again to be relevant next time.

  
  You don't have any evidence that Brown was a threat to the cop. He wasn't even armed.

  
  
  Do please at least try to read. Again, read the link above from the Washington Post. Do you always ignore anything that runs contrary to your beliefs?

  
  I read it. The whole thing seems fabricated. According to the article, there's no way of knowing if Brown had his hands up based on an autopsy. It also said he was shot at least 6 times. If they can't even tell exactly how many times he was shot, then their report is too vague. This is yellow journalism. It's disgusting, and his family is right to not believe anything these shady officials tell them.

  
  
  Whole thing seems to be fabricated? Is that your expert opinion lol? I mean who cares about witnesses or evidence... in your bizarre world, everything that doesn't support your extremist views must be fabricated.
  
  Thanks for playing but again, thank you for demonstrating the quality of your contributions.

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  Oct 23, 2014 6:29 PM GMT

  riddler78 said

  HottJoe said

  riddler78 said

  HottJoe said

  riddler78 said

  HottJoe said

  riddler78 saidJoe - you've again shown yourself to be a fool. If you want to talk about this subject then feel free to, but clearly you are out of your depth.
  
  There's also this:
  Report: African-American Witnesses Support Wilson’s Claims But Are Afraid To Come Forward
  
  http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/22/report-african-american-witnesses-support-wilsons-claims-but-are-afraid-to-come-forward/

  
  Nice job dodging the question. Clearly, you only promote theories that fit with your agenda, whether it's promoting filthy energy or police brutality and racial profiling. You must be a social media terrorist... (make that a wannabe social media terrorist, because no1currs).

  
  
  The only person who seems to be dodging questions with irrelevant comments appears to be you.
  
  But do please try again to be relevant next time.

  
  You don't have any evidence that Brown was a threat to the cop. He wasn't even armed.

  
  
  Do please at least try to read. Again, read the link above from the Washington Post. Do you always ignore anything that runs contrary to your beliefs?

  
  I read it. The whole thing seems fabricated. According to the article, there's no way of knowing if Brown had his hands up based on an autopsy. It also said he was shot at least 6 times. If they can't even tell exactly how many times he was shot, then their report is too vague. This is yellow journalism. It's disgusting, and his family is right to not believe anything these shady officials tell them.

  
  
  Whole thing seems to be fabricated? Is that your expert opinion lol? I mean who cares about witnesses or evidence... in your bizarre world, everything that doesn't support your extremist views must be fabricated.
  
  Thanks for playing but again, thank you for demonstrating the quality of your contributions.

  
  Pot meet kettle. You're notorious for ignoring experts and believing whatever BS Ayn Rand wrote fifty years ago.
  
  It's funny that you call me out for stooping to YOUR level. Don't you even recognize your own tactics when they are turned against you?
  
  No?
  
  I thought not.

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  HottJoe said

  riddler78 said

  HottJoe said

  riddler78 said

  HottJoe said

  riddler78 said

  HottJoe said

  riddler78 saidJoe - you've again shown yourself to be a fool. If you want to talk about this subject then feel free to, but clearly you are out of your depth.
  
  There's also this:
  Report: African-American Witnesses Support Wilson’s Claims But Are Afraid To Come Forward
  
  http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/22/report-african-american-witnesses-support-wilsons-claims-but-are-afraid-to-come-forward/

  
  Nice job dodging the question. Clearly, you only promote theories that fit with your agenda, whether it's promoting filthy energy or police brutality and racial profiling. You must be a social media terrorist... (make that a wannabe social media terrorist, because no1currs).

  
  
  The only person who seems to be dodging questions with irrelevant comments appears to be you.
  
  But do please try again to be relevant next time.

  
  You don't have any evidence that Brown was a threat to the cop. He wasn't even armed.

  
  
  Do please at least try to read. Again, read the link above from the Washington Post. Do you always ignore anything that runs contrary to your beliefs?

  
  I read it. The whole thing seems fabricated. According to the article, there's no way of knowing if Brown had his hands up based on an autopsy. It also said he was shot at least 6 times. If they can't even tell exactly how many times he was shot, then their report is too vague. This is yellow journalism. It's disgusting, and his family is right to not believe anything these shady officials tell them.

  
  
  Whole thing seems to be fabricated? Is that your expert opinion lol? I mean who cares about witnesses or evidence... in your bizarre world, everything that doesn't support your extremist views must be fabricated.
  
  Thanks for playing but again, thank you for demonstrating the quality of your contributions.

  
  Pot meet kettle. You're notorious for ignoring experts and believing whatever BS Ayn Rand wrote fifty years ago.
  
  It's funny that you call me out for stooping to YOUR level. Don't you even recognize your own tactics when they are turned against you?
  
  No?
  
  I thought not.

  
  
  Lol your clownish attempts to distract and ignore the underlying points resemble nothing of my specific and deliberate attempts in the past to address your issues one by one. Your inability to differentiate opinion from fact should trouble you.
  
  But that's for others to decide as frankly I think any casual observer can see from this exchange your inability to form simple cohesive arguments.

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  riddler78 said

  HottJoe said

  riddler78 said

  HottJoe said

  riddler78 said

  HottJoe said

  riddler78 said

  HottJoe said

  riddler78 saidJoe - you've again shown yourself to be a fool. If you want to talk about this subject then feel free to, but clearly you are out of your depth.
  
  There's also this:
  Report: African-American Witnesses Support Wilson’s Claims But Are Afraid To Come Forward
  
  http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/22/report-african-american-witnesses-support-wilsons-claims-but-are-afraid-to-come-forward/

  
  Nice job dodging the question. Clearly, you only promote theories that fit with your agenda, whether it's promoting filthy energy or police brutality and racial profiling. You must be a social media terrorist... (make that a wannabe social media terrorist, because no1currs).

  
  
  The only person who seems to be dodging questions with irrelevant comments appears to be you.
  
  But do please try again to be relevant next time.

  
  You don't have any evidence that Brown was a threat to the cop. He wasn't even armed.

  
  
  Do please at least try to read. Again, read the link above from the Washington Post. Do you always ignore anything that runs contrary to your beliefs?

  
  I read it. The whole thing seems fabricated. According to the article, there's no way of knowing if Brown had his hands up based on an autopsy. It also said he was shot at least 6 times. If they can't even tell exactly how many times he was shot, then their report is too vague. This is yellow journalism. It's disgusting, and his family is right to not believe anything these shady officials tell them.

  
  
  Whole thing seems to be fabricated? Is that your expert opinion lol? I mean who cares about witnesses or evidence... in your bizarre world, everything that doesn't support your extremist views must be fabricated.
  
  Thanks for playing but again, thank you for demonstrating the quality of your contributions.

  
  Pot meet kettle. You're notorious for ignoring experts and believing whatever BS Ayn Rand wrote fifty years ago.
  
  It's funny that you call me out for stooping to YOUR level. Don't you even recognize your own tactics when they are turned against you?
  
  No?
  
  I thought not.

  
  
  Lol your clownish attempts to distract and ignore the underlying points resemble nothing of my specific and deliberate attempts in the past to address your issues one by one. Your inability to differentiate opinion from fact should trouble you.
  
  But that's for others to decide as frankly I think any casual observer can see from this exchange your inability to form simple cohesive arguments.

  
  You have no points. You posted a propaganda piece that claims vague findings and hearsay as evidence.
  
  Also, anonymous witnesses don't get to take the stand in court. There are witnesses who are not anonymous who would refute their supposed testimony, anyway.
  
  Sorry, but your smear campaign of a murder victim is as nauseating as anything you've ever posted.
  
  Nice try, Riddler. But we're all used to it by now.

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  HottJoe saidYou have no points. You posted a propaganda piece that claims vague findings and hearsay as evidence.
  
  Also, anonymous witnesses don't get to take the stand in court. There are witnesses who are not anonymous who would refute their supposed testimony, anyway.
  
  Sorry, but your smear campaign of a murder victim is as nauseating as anything you've ever posted.
  
  Nice try, Riddler. But we're all used to it by now.

  
  
  Vague findings? Smear campaign? Again, consistent with your rather limiting intellectual approach to issues. These are leaked and confirmed documents from the coroner - which presumably knows far more than you.
  
  And no, anonymous witnesses do not get to take the stand in court and yet there are a number already who are not anonymous who agree with the account of the police officer.
  
  I like how you feel the need to use the word "we" when really you're just looking for comfort in numbers for what is your blatant insecurity.

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  True story: My now husband and I once got stopped by a cop (while smoking weed in a car, no less). I denied everything and argued vociferously with the cop about my rights... and he decided to just give me a warning.
  
  p.s. I don't smoke weed in cars anymore.
  
  But next time I get stopped for speeding or jaywalking or whatever, should I be like, hey, wait, why aren't you shooting me 6+ times and leaving my dead body on the street all day? Isn't that your policy?
  
  #Handsupdon'tshoot

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  No response from Riddler?
  
  Obviously, the ONLY explanation for why a white guy gets a warning for driving while smoking weed, and a black guy is executed violently for jaywalking is racism in the criminal justice system. It's just sad to see Riddler turn a blind eye to something so obvious it hurts, and it's beyond contemptible to see him blaming the victim.
  
  You are pathetic!!!

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  HottJoe saidNo response from Riddler?
  
  Obviously, the ONLY explanation for why a white guy gets a warning for driving while smoking weed, and a black guy is executed violently for jaywalking is racism in the criminal justice system. It's just sad to see Riddler turn a blind eye to something so obvious it hurts, and it's beyond contemptible to see him blaming the victim.
  
  You are pathetic!!!

  
  
  I just checked the messages here - your desperate cry for attention is funny. Your inability to read is why you didn't realize I already did answer your "question" earlier. Do you enjoy being made a fool of?
  
  Please learn to read - and if you do know, please at least try to understand what you do even if it does conflict with your views.

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