Guys who keep lying about their age...

  • smegnificient

    Posts: 337

    Nov 17, 2014 5:50 AM GMT
    Aqueerius said^^You do realize that you're an exception here, and that every single age-related thread on this forum is filled with older men emphatically saying "it's just a number!" "consenting adults!" or "I'm 50 and have 18 year olds lining up outside my door..." icon_lol.gif

    We all get old eventually, but I never understand why people use that to justify the behaviors of SOME older men


    I don't give a shit about alliances on this forum, and why you feel "abused" Hottjoe, but the above observation is as plain as day to just about anyone, and I don't see how pointing it out, or attesting to morphic's observation about said guys putting down "twinks" on their profiles, is in any way unfair.
  • christastic

    Posts: 449

    Nov 17, 2014 7:34 AM GMT
    Well we're apparently all the same person now so your unflattering observations are invalid lol icon_lol.gif
  • whytehot

    Posts: 1343

    Nov 17, 2014 3:29 PM GMT
    Cash said
    whytehot said
    Cash said
    whytehot saidWhatever, at least not as self-promotioney as Cash's lengthy poems about himself http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3948602/ rolleyes.gif


    Self promoting?
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    I have been around a bit so I occasionally share stories and ideas that I feel are relevant to the topic.

    That IS part of the point of being involved with a Social Site.

    I have experienced enough of Life to have a valid point of view and have no fears of expressing it.

    Who exactly do you think I would be trying to promote Myself to? "you?"

    That is truly laughable.

    And you know it.

    Don't like what I write, dont read it.

    I ASSURE you I can easily survive with out the patronage of something like you.


    Obviously not me, I'm way too old for you anyway lol

    It's just a pity seeing your ad-nauseum "I don't need to defend myself, I come from a royal pedigree, oh and my ex bought me a vintage car, don't u forget that!" that's all. rolleyes.gif


    I have had a signicantly different life than you and that seems to piss you off. I told the story about the car( one of several I have received over the years - bet THAT sticks yer craw) because it was a sweet romantic gesture. And sorta cool and fun.

    There is far more to My life than the trinkets I have been handed.

    Anyone who knows Me for more than 2 minutes will tell you that. Including the many Men I have become Friends with and dated from RJ.

    But what difference does it make to someone like you?

    Again, feel free to block Me.

    Don't like what I have to say- don't read it.

    You are not the demographic I would be looking to impress, befriend or communicate with anyway.

    So let's agree to avoid one another.

    I will simply live My life as I see fit and you can pretend to have one!

    Deal?
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    This lady protests far too much. You're right; your life is quite different from mine, at least in your dreams rolleyes.gif
  • HottJoe

    Posts: 21366

    Nov 17, 2014 4:25 PM GMT
    smegnificient said
    Aqueerius said^^You do realize that you're an exception here, and that every single age-related thread on this forum is filled with older men emphatically saying "it's just a number!" "consenting adults!" or "I'm 50 and have 18 year olds lining up outside my door..." icon_lol.gif

    We all get old eventually, but I never understand why people use that to justify the behaviors of SOME older men


    I don't give a shit about alliances on this forum, and why you feel "abused" Hottjoe, but the above observation is as plain as day to just about anyone, and I don't see how pointing it out, or attesting to morphic's observation about said guys putting down "twinks" on their profiles, is in any way unfair.

    I didn't say it's unfair. I'm not involved in either side, but your assessment that some gay men do this seems to be a cover for an underlying hostility towards all older gay men. The way I'm attacked and my personal story is seen as suspect just shows that you're looking to hate everyone and categorize everyone the way you see it. I already sense this and I'm only 35. I know they say 30 is gay death, but I'm not going anywhere anytime soon. Sorry.icon_lol.gif
  • whytehot

    Posts: 1343

    Nov 18, 2014 12:18 AM GMT
    You must be really thin-skinned if you think calling your story "an exception rather than the rule" amounts to an attack. It means you're one of the better ones! That's a good thing!
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 18, 2014 1:41 AM GMT
    whytehot saidYou must be really thin-skinned if you think calling your story "an exception rather than the rule" amounts to an attack. It means you're one of the better ones! That's a good thing!

    I think you're the third or fourth person to call me thin skinned in as many days....icon_confused.gif

    From what I have gleaned from these threads, and other sources, is that most guys would rather have a strong relationship than chase tail all their life. That's what they say they want, that's what they pine for and ask for advice on, but then so many of them can't make their relationships work, and chasing tail ends up being a consolation prize. But marriage is the grand prize, and the exceptions would be people who don't want to love one person and who would rather stay single.

    Making a loving lifelong relationship last involves more work and insanity and trust and passion and need and romance than many people realize they have time for. They say they need a guy with no baggage. Ha! They break up with a guy if he's late, if he has a temper, if he does anything some magazine writer says a strong person should never put up with. Being in a relationship isn't about getting a guy who is perfect. Sometimes, it's about crying in a puddle on the floor and saying please don't leave me. It's about not giving up on each other no matter what, because to leave each other would be suicide. It's the fact that even though you're both imperfect, and you both still have baggage, eventually you're just perfect together, because you find the glue that makes it stick. And the glue is saying I love you. You're beautiful. You mean the world to me. Just telling your lover that is self fulfilling prophesy. It's part of romance.

    As for guys who only hit on the youngest barley legal guys they can find, that is definitely not the norm. I take exception to that, because it's degrading to guys as they age that people automatically assume they're all the same. The good guys are not even going to want to talk to you as a friend because you have such a bias against them that they'll avoid you at all costs.... And the ones that don't get the hint, who are the "bad" guys, are usually shameless and don't care if people scorn them because eventually they'll find the one that will give them a pity fuck. Those guys are the exceptions, and they have issues, no doubt, but most guys don't want to end up like that.

    Anyone in their twenties who thinks they know what all older guys want are either going to have to step in front of a moving bus, or find themselves turning 30, and 40, and 50+, and it will happen sooner than they think, and then they'll realize they are the ones who are seen as old and desperate and longing for youth, and they'll know they actually still are just the same person they've always been. They just walked into a different light, and were typecast into a different role, a lesser role, and then they'll realize how foolish it was to have made such grand sweeping and demeaning assumptions about the people who came before them.
  • whytehot

    Posts: 1343

    Nov 19, 2014 12:18 AM GMT
    ^^Your "if you speak against pederasty you will become a pederast" logic is like one of RJ's most cliché non-arguments
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    Nov 19, 2014 12:27 AM GMT
    whytehot said
    This lady protests far too much. You're right; your life is quite different from mine, at least in your dreams rolleyes.gif

    I know him in real life
    It's all true, except the stuff he says for hyperbolic amusement
    You, on the other hand, are mean as a snake
    All the fucking time
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 19, 2014 2:06 AM GMT
    Sharkspeare said
    whytehot said
    This lady protests far too much. You're right; your life is quite different from mine, at least in your dreams rolleyes.gif

    I know him in real life
    It's all true, except the stuff he says for hyperbolic amusement
    You, on the other hand, are mean as a snake
    All the fucking time
    What type of snake, a rattlesnake, a coral snake, or a copperhead/cottonmouth/ water moccasin, an anacondaicon_question.gificon_lol.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 19, 2014 2:24 AM GMT
    whytehot said^^Your "if you speak against pederasty you will become a pederast" logic is like one of RJ's most cliché non-arguments

    Wow. You really do see only what you want to see, because that's not what I said at all.

    I said it before: My relationship advice to younger guys is to date guys your own age. I think that's what most guys want anyway when they're ready to start dating. Gay teens often lack parental guidance, but that's what it would look like if parents discussed dating with their gay kids.

    When you first start dating you start forming ideas of what a relationship looks like, and the dynamics of a couple, and if you date guys your age from the start, then your idea of a relationship is two people who are equals in that respect. A teenager who's never dated is not equal to an older guy who's been around. I think this is very important, even if some guys decide later to broaden their dating pool.

    I think you have your cliches wrong. It's more like young guys who date only older men tend to start dating younger men when they get older, because that's what a relationship is to them. They're just playing opposite roles, and it's hard for them to suddenly date guys their own age, if they never dated someone their own age. They might not even know how.

    Basically if you think a gay relationship means young+old then eventually you will date young because you can't date dead.

    Either way, love is a mystery and if two people are happy then you just have to be happy for them, otherwise you're being a dick.
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    Nov 19, 2014 4:22 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    whytehot saidYou must be really thin-skinned if you think calling your story "an exception rather than the rule" amounts to an attack. It means you're one of the better ones! That's a good thing!

    I think you're the third or fourth person to call me thin skinned in as many days....icon_confused.gif

    From what I have gleaned from these threads, and other sources, is that most guys would rather have a strong relationship than chase tail all their life. That's what they say they want, that's what they pine for and ask for advice on, but then so many of them can't make their relationships work, and chasing tail ends up being a consolation prize. But marriage is the grand prize, and the exceptions would be people who don't want to love one person and who would rather stay single.

    Making a loving lifelong relationship last involves more work and insanity and trust and passion and need and romance than many people realize they have time for. They say they need a guy with no baggage. Ha! They break up with a guy if he's late, if he has a temper, if he does anything some magazine writer says a strong person should never put up with. Being in a relationship isn't about getting a guy who is perfect. Sometimes, it's about crying in a puddle on the floor and saying please don't leave me. It's about not giving up on each other no matter what, because to leave each other would be suicide. It's the fact that even though you're both imperfect, and you both still have baggage, eventually you're just perfect together, because you find the glue that makes it stick. And the glue is saying I love you. You're beautiful. You mean the world to me. Just telling your lover that is self fulfilling prophesy. It's part of romance.

    As for guys who only hit on the youngest barley legal guys they can find, that is definitely not the norm. I take exception to that, because it's degrading to guys as they age that people automatically assume they're all the same. The good guys are not even going to want to talk to you as a friend because you have such a bias against them that they'll avoid you at all costs.... And the ones that don't get the hint, who are the "bad" guys, are usually shameless and don't care if people scorn them because eventually they'll find the one that will give them a pity fuck. Those guys are the exceptions, and they have issues, no doubt, but most guys don't want to end up like that.

    Anyone in their twenties who thinks they know what all older guys want are either going to have to step in front of a moving bus, or find themselves turning 30, and 40, and 50+, and it will happen sooner than they think, and then they'll realize they are the ones who are seen as old and desperate and longing for youth, and they'll know they actually still are just the same person they've always been. They just walked into a different light, and were typecast into a different role, a lesser role, and then they'll realize how foolish it was to have made such grand sweeping and demeaning assumptions about the people who came before them.

    @Hottjoe, This was great - You are really well spoken (you write well and think clearly). I normally miss all the drama of threads like these, because, unlike Cash, I don't want to read the vile posts of some of these guys like whytehot and highfortis, so I have had them on ignore. Only get a small taste of some of their acid posts (thankfully mostly edited) when they are quoted by others.
  • whytehot

    Posts: 1343

    Dec 01, 2014 1:27 AM GMT
    ^^I don't think any of my posts have been edited down when quoted; they're succinct enough as-is, as the truth tends to lend itself to that. Emotionally-charged attacks and excuse-making and defensiveness, on the other hand... rolleyes.gif



    HottJoe said
    whytehot said^^Your "if you speak against pederasty you will become a pederast" logic is like one of RJ's most cliché non-arguments

    Wow. You really do see only what you want to see, because that's not what I said at all...

    ...It's more like young guys who date only older men tend to start dating younger men when they get older, because that's what a relationship is to them. They're just playing opposite roles, and it's hard for them to suddenly date guys their own age, if they never dated someone their own age....


    You've been reading too many false and self-serving anecdotes on this forum. It's like suggesting that tops, if not allowed to top, would rather be bottoms than vers. Pretty sure you won't find a single chickenhawk in real life who wanted to be the chicken in that scenario when he was young.

    I guess the same people who keep twisting cautionary statements about the behaviors of SOME people into an attack on ALL of said group, will also be tempted to use the same dumb "I'm rubber, you're glue" comebacks (ie: homophobes are more likely to be homos, etc) in lieu of actual logic
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 02, 2014 7:00 PM GMT
    whytehot said^^I don't think any of my posts have been edited down when quoted; they're succinct enough as-is, as the truth tends to lend itself to that. Emotionally-charged attacks and excuse-making and defensiveness, on the other hand... rolleyes.gif



    HottJoe said
    whytehot said^^Your "if you speak against pederasty you will become a pederast" logic is like one of RJ's most cliché non-arguments

    Wow. You really do see only what you want to see, because that's not what I said at all...

    ...It's more like young guys who date only older men tend to start dating younger men when they get older, because that's what a relationship is to them. They're just playing opposite roles, and it's hard for them to suddenly date guys their own age, if they never dated someone their own age....


    You've been reading too many false and self-serving anecdotes on this forum. It's like suggesting that tops, if not allowed to top, would rather be bottoms than vers. Pretty sure you won't find a single chickenhawk in real life who wanted to be the chicken in that scenario when he was young.

    I guess the same people who keep twisting cautionary statements about the behaviors of SOME people into an attack on ALL of said group, will also be tempted to use the same dumb "I'm rubber, you're glue" comebacks (ie: homophobes are more likely to be homos, etc) in lieu of actual logic

    I do know people like that. Besides, I said it was a cliché, not a fact, and you edited that part out of my post.icon_confused.gif

    This could be an interesting discussion, but you're not really worth anyone's time on here, because you manipulate the things people say to try to make yourself look clever, but you're really just a venomous idiot. I think you have two friends on here, and they're both half your age, you creep!!
  • smegnificient

    Posts: 337

    Dec 03, 2014 6:51 AM GMT
    I thought it's generally held that the majority of "chickenhawks" are that way because a)validation, and b)trying to re-live adolescent years that were wasted in the closet. icon_question.gif