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  Jan 16, 2009 6:49 PM GMT

  so in an effort to not hijack another thread; here goes.
  
  

  chuckystud said
  
  I think, sometimes, that gay folks, see how extreme they can be..be it the cross-dressers, the haters, the fems, the group sex, and so on, and then wonder why mainstream doesn't give them more acceptance.

  
  
  now; being someone who's into the "Straight Scene" as some would call it; I propose that most straight people are just as perverted/extreme/hateful/group sex enjoying as anyone else.
  
  The main difference, as I see it; is that most GLBT people have had to deal with coming to terms with the fact that they're not "mainstream" (or whatever you want to call it) and may be persecuted for their beliefs. Hence, when someone is "out" sexually; they've already come to terms with the aforementioned statement and do not really give a rat's ass what people think; whilst the opposite is true for the straight people.
  
  They've not had the same experiences (such as coming out), and therefore are not willing to be as open with their sexuality as an out homosexual.
  
  
  Talk amomgst yourselves.
  

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  Jan 16, 2009 8:45 PM GMT

  you guys are lame.

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  Jan 16, 2009 8:53 PM GMT

  well I got nothing to add cause I agree..
  My trainer is more sexually perverted then I am and I thought I was freakin kinky...

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  Jan 16, 2009 9:23 PM GMT

  So called "kinky" behaviour is, I suspect, quite common in the hetero community. I don't think it is just gay men buying dildos, but women who have found out that their husbands love their prostates to be massaged by a big rubber dong! And S&M? I am sure some of the butchest most in control hetero males love to be dominated by their partners. It lets them let their hair down so to speak.

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  Jan 16, 2009 9:45 PM GMT

  Walk into any porn shop and see what they have. Walls and walls of pornography catering to every taste the straight world has. You want to see a guy having his balls stepped on by high heals. YOU GOT IT. You want to see a man chained to a toilet sucking down a woman's enema. YOU GOT IT. You want to see geriatric women pee in a man's mouth. YOU GOT IT.
  
  Hets and Homos are just as kinky, just as filthy, just as sexual. The only difference is that we can be demonized or it.
  
  There is no homosexual equality without sexual freedom.

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  Jan 16, 2009 9:49 PM GMT

  hear, hear!!! bravo... sic' em, zombie!

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  Jan 16, 2009 9:52 PM GMT

  MunchingZombie saidWalk into any porn shop and see what they have. Walls and walls of pornography catering to every taste the straight world has. You want to see a guy having his balls stepped on by high heals. YOU GOT IT. You want to see a man chained to a toilet sucking down a woman's enema. YOU GOT IT. You want to see geriatric women pee in a man's mouth. YOU GOT IT.
  
  Hets and Homos are just as kinky, just as filthy, just as sexual. The only difference is that we can be demonized or it.
  
  There is no homosexual equality without sexual freedom.

  
  
  Yeah baby

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  Jan 16, 2009 10:07 PM GMT

  Hey, I've got a better idea...
  
  How about Bush's FINAL farewell address to the nation? Can you imagine the look his daddy had on his face as he was watching his idiot son on television? Barbara, his mother, of course, is in my mind saying, "Take it easy, dear. He did the best that he could." Daddy dearest is shaking his head & saying, "Honey, he may be our son but he is an idiot." This ENTIRE weekend is devoted to the FIRST African-American president to grace 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue & those who don't like it have no other choice but to sit back & enjoy a nice big helping of Suck It Up with 3 sides of Deal With It, Figure It Out & Get Over It. Some major changes are coming for us & despite economic times, which are bad, we ought to start buying up some stock while the economy is down. I mean, c'mon, who doesn't like getting a dividend every month & reinvesting it?
  
  ChuckyStud,
  
  Do you think someone like me, or anyone else, who really doesn't get too wrapped up in their community, has the time to worry about what other gay people do? As well straight people? I mean, some are trifling, grimy & just plain out NASTY & those will be the ones that those who seemingly have it together go after because they're afraid of competition from someone of the same caliber. That is my perception & that is the way life goes...
  
  Anywho, on to bigger & better things, like the entire weekend devoted to Barack Hussein Obama

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  Jan 16, 2009 10:07 PM GMT

  MunchingZombie saidWalk into any porn shop and see what they have. Walls and walls of pornography catering to every taste the straight world has. You want to see a guy having his balls stepped on by high heals. YOU GOT IT. You want to see a man chained to a toilet sucking down a woman's enema. YOU GOT IT. You want to see geriatric women pee in a man's mouth. YOU GOT IT.
  

  
  
  MZ, you have spent way too much time in Porn Shops.

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  Jan 16, 2009 10:33 PM GMT

  Funkapottomous saidso in an effort to not hijack another thread; here goes.
  
  

  chuckystud said
  
  I think, sometimes, that gay folks, see how extreme they can be..be it the cross-dressers, the haters, the fems, the group sex, and so on, and then wonder why mainstream doesn't give them more acceptance.

  
  
  now; being someone who's into the "Straight Scene" as some would call it; I propose that most straight people are just as perverted/extreme/hateful/group sex enjoying as anyone else.
  
  The main difference, as I see it; is that most GLBT people have had to deal with coming to terms with the fact that they're not "mainstream" (or whatever you want to call it) and may be persecuted for their beliefs. Hence, when someone is "out" sexually; they've already come to terms with the aforementioned statement and do not really give a rat's ass what people think; whilst the opposite is true for the straight people.
  
  They've not had the same experiences (such as coming out), and therefore are not willing to be as open with their sexuality as an out homosexual.
  
  

  
  
  I you are absolutely right. I have an example from last July would like to share with you/
  
  I was part of a wedding party of a good friend in SFO. It was mostly made up of frat guys, and they were straight as all get out. I was not even about to out myself to these guys... I was just going to remain evasive about any sexual topics the entire 5 days I was there with them. I didn't need to make the situation unbearable.
  
  Every day I was there, someone was looking to "find pussy", go to a strip club, or hook up with a random girl (two of them did this... and weren't seen until the next day). I just wanted to chill and have fun, but it was a pussy quest for everyone but the two guys that had girls.
  
  It got excruciatingly boring, and really showed me that the "perverted/extreme" it isn't a gay thing...it is a guy thing. Guys love sex... but straight guys get cock-blocked by women, who generally aren't only out for sex. If women were like men, there would be a LOT more sex going on in the straight world... and hook-ups would be so common that monogamy would be virtually unheard of. Most of my other straight friends are exactly like this too. They want sex, but are limited by the females willingness to have it.
  
  Granted, I am probably not an average guy... I am not into hookups,and am very monogamously minded. That's just me being an oddity though.
  
  And the meanness knows no bounds either. It all depends on your perspective... some people think we are the nicest people in the world and that straight guys suck. My sister loves gay men (she wants fabulously gay sons)... and hates women. She tells me that women are the cattiest lot in the world and that she cannot stand their company.
  
  We probably see a lot of the meanness in our community because we are so exposed to everything here. Not all gay men are horrible and not all straight people are terrific.

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  Jan 16, 2009 10:54 PM GMT

  Well, hey, look at Real World. The guy who asks all his roommates sexual questions is the Mormon who is saving himself for marriage.

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  Jan 16, 2009 10:58 PM GMT

  LOL.
  
  Nothing like false belief systems to REALLY get a person a mess.
  
  I have friends who are "swingers", "kinky", even a nudist or too, gay, straight, and bi, but, they don't wear rainbow outfits, and they don't run around limp-wristed and swishy-assed, or animated with their hands in the air with the latest Prada purse gossip. I.e., they do some fun stuff, and may even cross dress and so on, but, they don't INVITE negative attention.
  
  Nothing wrong with some individualism, but, if you walk way out to the edge, you're gonna' get pushback. That's the way of the world. No if, buts, or ands, about it. If you're straight, bi, or gay, and you dye your hair green, put rings in your nose, swish your ass, and call folks "honey", you're gonna' undergo some scrutiny. That's just common sense.
  
  Please note that the quote at the top was taken out of context, and the whole thing wasn't posted.
  
  I don't worry about all the flamers in The Gayborhood. Wherever you got that impression was from a partial quote. I think the original question in the other thread was do gay folks draw attention to themselves or something along that line (the poster didn't identify it, and just was stirring up controversy).
  
  I'm happy to make the point, though, that if you act weird, you're going to undergo scrutiny, regardless of any sexual preferences.
  
  The poster was just trying to get some folks wound up.
  
  Whenever someone invites attention to themselves, that gets both good, and bad, reviews. That's just how things work.
  
  I've had folks say to me so many times, "You're the coolest gay guy I know." They don't worry about the sexuality part, because, in my life, it's a non-issue, and I don't rub it in the faces of folks with more conservative beliefs. They like me, and don't care about what goes on in my bedroom.

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  Jan 16, 2009 11:16 PM GMT

  Consider the Japanese saying: "The nail that sticks out gets hammered back into place".
  
  And that's exactly what happens when you push it too far, no matter what your cultural setting is.

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  Jan 16, 2009 11:47 PM GMT

  chuckystud saidLOL.
  
  Nothing like false belief systems to REALLY get a person a mess.
  
  I have friends who are "swingers", "kinky", even a nudist or too, gay, straight, and bi, but, they don't wear rainbow outfits, and they don't run around limp-wristed and swishy-assed, or animated with their hands in the air with the latest Prada purse gossip. I.e., they do some fun stuff, and may even cross dress and so on, but, they don't INVITE negative attention.
  
  Nothing wrong with some individualism, but, if you walk way out to the edge, you're gonna' get pushback. That's the way of the world. No if, buts, or ands, about it. If you're straight, bi, or gay, and you dye your hair green, put rings in your nose, swish your ass, and call folks "honey", you're gonna' undergo some scrutiny. That's just common sense.
  
  Please note that the quote at the top was taken out of context, and the whole thing wasn't posted.
  
  I don't worry about all the flamers in The Gayborhood. Wherever you got that impression was from a partial quote. I think the original question in the other thread was do gay folks draw attention to themselves or something along that line (the poster didn't identify it, and just was stirring up controversy).
  
  I'm happy to make the point, though, that if you act weird, you're going to undergo scrutiny, regardless of any sexual preferences.
  
  The poster was just trying to get some folks wound up.
  
  Whenever someone invites attention to themselves, that gets both good, and bad, reviews. That's just how things work.
  
  I've had folks say to me so many times, "You're the coolest gay guy I know." They don't worry about the sexuality part, because, in my life, it's a non-issue, and I don't rub it in the faces of folks with more conservative beliefs. They like me, and don't care about what goes on in my bedroom.

  
  
  hey man, I wasn't trying to take it out of context, it just got me thinking. I'm not disagreeing with anyone or saying anybody's wrong. Just throwing it up in the air.

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  Jan 16, 2009 11:52 PM GMT

  Well, it's been a very nice discussion.
  
  It's one of those high school lessons about conformity. Like it or not, if you step to far out there, you're gonna' get patted on the back, and smacked around. It cuts both ways.

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  Jan 17, 2009 12:34 AM GMT

  I now openly and freely talk about my two husbands, and my love for them both. I'm not going out of my way to talk about these things. But if others are talking about their loved ones. I too talk about mine.
  
  One of my bosses is a born again. She loves it when I'm on the floor, and shows me lots of care and love, and I'm a fag with two husbands.
  
  Yet I too live and work in the str8 world. Maybe it's the way I do it, and come across, that I'm not abused? Sure not all are happy with me being open and so at ease with these issues. The one women who dose have issues with it, is a catholic. But she says nothing to me.

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