Michael Brown's parents address United Nations

  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Nov 18, 2014 3:49 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidwe live in a country that says if a white man is scared of a black teen he can call him a thug, shoot him dead, and say it was self defense.


    One could make a valid argument that the cop didn't call Michael Brown a thug...he WAS a thug! Based on Brown's actions just minutes prior to being killed -- theft, assault, allegedly attacking a police officer in a squad car -- he was not exactly an innocent teenager out for an afternoon stroll in the neighborhood. I know you'd like to just ignore that part of the scenario, focusing only on the fact that Michael Brown was killed by a white cop, but you don't get to do that any more than a grand jury will be able to. You have to look at the whole picture and, most importantly, ALL the facts (many of which we probably do not know yet)
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 18, 2014 8:50 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    HottJoe saidIt doesn't seem to bother CuriousJockAZ that he keeps defending the repeated killings of unarmed black teens. He's sick in the head, and it's a social disease, which means there are a lot more like him.



    Hey Joe, I see you're up to your same old race-card-toting drivel. Michael Brown was hardly an innocent teen wondering the streets sucking on a popsicle. He'd just stolen from a convenience store where he also roughed up the clerk. He didn't need a weapon, he was potentially dangerous just being a 6'5" teenager with seemingly thug-like tendencies. I don't care what color you are, if you act out, break laws, mouth off to cops, you're asking for trouble. Is this a horrible tragedy? Of course. This kid didn't deserve to lose his life. That being said, had he been out not causing trouble, he'd still be alive. If Michael Brown were a white teen, not a word would have been uttered by the so-called Reverend Al Sharpton. There would have been no riots in the streets...comments by the President...thousands of mourners who didn't even know him attending his funeral. I'm simply telling it like it is. That doesn't make me racist.

    You said the same things about Trayvon Martin. You like to describe black teenagers as dangerous, but they're not more dangerous than white teenagers. A lot of teenage males get into trouble and act out, but typically they're not supposed to get shot in the streets, yet somehow every time that happens to a black teenager you're there to justify the killing. We can't have a country that guns down unarmed teenagers and shrugs and says it's just a tragedy, because it's an atrocity. The police and the majority of society have used racial profiling for years to justify violence against a minority community. The rest of the world and the U.N. obviously see it for what it is, and if unequal justice keeps going on, U.S. courts and the criminal justice system will lose all credibility and there will be more protests, more violence, and a weaker country.
    What fantasyland do you live in Joe because many inner city black teens are quite dangerous because they are armed and have a chip on their shoulder. You should come to troubled northern cities like Gary, Detroit, Flint, Camden, Buffalo, and Baltimore. Many male black teens are walking sociopaths who are armed and dangerous and will pull out the gun or semi automatic and blow the person away without any remorse. You obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about and you are way too liberal for your own good. You see Joe these are older northern cities that were ruled for a long time and completely ruined by your beloved democratic party.
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    Nov 18, 2014 9:00 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    HottJoe saidwe live in a country that says if a white man is scared of a black teen he can call him a thug, shoot him dead, and say it was self defense.


    One could make a valid argument that the cop didn't call Michael Brown a thug...he WAS a thug! Based on Brown's actions just minutes prior to being killed -- theft, assault, allegedly attacking a police officer in a squad car -- he was not exactly an innocent teenager out for an afternoon stroll in the neighborhood. I know you'd like to just ignore that part of the scenario, focusing only on the fact that Michael Brown was killed by a white cop, but you don't get to do that any more than a grand jury will be able to. You have to look at the whole picture and, most importantly, ALL the facts (many of which we probably do not know yet)



    What if the cop was a black guy? And he shot and killed the unarmed black teen under the same circumstances?

    1) first off, if the cop was black and the Ferguson police dept was racially mixed, would the black teen

    a) not do what he did (rob the store and assault clerk)in the first place
    b) during the altercation, the teen would have given up easier when told to or acted differently
    c) not (allegedly) attack the officer because the officer is also black

    2) second, the parents

    a) would the parents be less upset if their son was killed by a black police officer
    b) would the parents think the black police officer was an uncle Tom in a mixed race department and still want to sue for wrongful death

    In this case, as in Los Angeles PD, NYPD, DetroitPD or other big cities, law enforcement must reflect the community it serves. If the racial make up of the community is, say 50% black, 50% white, the local law enforcement should reflect the same. I believe this is where affirmative action came in the larger cities when they went through the same 'riot' conditions of the 1960's. Affirmative action, either because the white people in charge refused to hire or promote other races (discrimination) or the other races were not able to obtain these law enforcement positions because they didn't pass rigorous testing. After all is said and done, in this city of Ferguson, St Louis or the entire state of Missouri, officials should take a closer look at the ethnic make up of each of its communities and promote hiring practices that will serve all racial communities.

    City of Los Angeles, in particular, is made up of every race and ethnicity one can think of. The racial mix of its law enforcement definitely changed, for the better, after the Rodney King incident because everyone became aware that all city residents were not being represented equally.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 18, 2014 9:07 PM GMT
    scruffLA said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    HottJoe saidwe live in a country that says if a white man is scared of a black teen he can call him a thug, shoot him dead, and say it was self defense.


    One could make a valid argument that the cop didn't call Michael Brown a thug...he WAS a thug! Based on Brown's actions just minutes prior to being killed -- theft, assault, allegedly attacking a police officer in a squad car -- he was not exactly an innocent teenager out for an afternoon stroll in the neighborhood. I know you'd like to just ignore that part of the scenario, focusing only on the fact that Michael Brown was killed by a white cop, but you don't get to do that any more than a grand jury will be able to. You have to look at the whole picture and, most importantly, ALL the facts (many of which we probably do not know yet)



    What if the cop was a black guy? And he shot and killed the unarmed black teen under the same circumstances?

    1) first off, if the cop was black and the Ferguson police dept was racially mixed, would the black teen

    a) not do what he did (rob the store and assault clerk)in the first place
    b) during the altercation, the teen would have given up easier when told to or acted differently
    c) not (allegedly) attack the officer because the officer is also black

    2) second, the parents

    a) would the parents be less upset if their son was killed by a black police officer
    b) would the parents think the black police officer was an uncle Tom in a mixed race department and still want to sue for wrongful death

    In this case, as in Los Angeles PD, NYPD, DetroitPD or other big cities, law enforcement must reflect the community it serves. If the racial make up of the community is, say 50% black, 50% white, the local law enforcement should reflect the same. I believe this is where affirmative action came in the larger cities when they went through the same 'riot' conditions of the 1960's. Affirmative action, either because the white people in charge refused to hire or promote other races (discrimination) or the other races were not able to obtain these law enforcement positions because they didn't pass rigorous testing. After all is said and done, in this city of Ferguson, St Louis or the entire state of Missouri, officials should take a closer look at the ethnic make up of each of its communities and promote hiring practices that will serve all racial communities.

    City of Los Angeles, in particular, is made up of every race and ethnicity one can think of. The racial mix of its law enforcement definitely changed, for the better, after the Rodney King incident because everyone became aware that all city residents were not being represented equally.
    Well that is all fine and dandy but at the same token while I strongly support full equality the job candidates have to be fully qualified for the job that they are applying whether it is a police officer, school teacher, city planner, etc. You cannot just base qualifications for public service jobs just on race and ethnicity. All candidates have to possess all the prior requirements to do the job and have the required level of education. No exceptions.
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    Nov 18, 2014 9:23 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    scruffLA said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    HottJoe saidwe live in a country that says if a white man is scared of a black teen he can call him a thug, shoot him dead, and say it was self defense.


    One could make a valid argument that the cop didn't call Michael Brown a thug...he WAS a thug! Based on Brown's actions just minutes prior to being killed -- theft, assault, allegedly attacking a police officer in a squad car -- he was not exactly an innocent teenager out for an afternoon stroll in the neighborhood. I know you'd like to just ignore that part of the scenario, focusing only on the fact that Michael Brown was killed by a white cop, but you don't get to do that any more than a grand jury will be able to. You have to look at the whole picture and, most importantly, ALL the facts (many of which we probably do not know yet)



    What if the cop was a black guy? And he shot and killed the unarmed black teen under the same circumstances?

    1) first off, if the cop was black and the Ferguson police dept was racially mixed, would the black teen

    a) not do what he did (rob the store and assault clerk)in the first place
    b) during the altercation, the teen would have given up easier when told to or acted differently
    c) not (allegedly) attack the officer because the officer is also black

    2) second, the parents

    a) would the parents be less upset if their son was killed by a black police officer
    b) would the parents think the black police officer was an uncle Tom in a mixed race department and still want to sue for wrongful death

    In this case, as in Los Angeles PD, NYPD, DetroitPD or other big cities, law enforcement must reflect the community it serves. If the racial make up of the community is, say 50% black, 50% white, the local law enforcement should reflect the same. I believe this is where affirmative action came in the larger cities when they went through the same 'riot' conditions of the 1960's. Affirmative action, either because the white people in charge refused to hire or promote other races (discrimination) or the other races were not able to obtain these law enforcement positions because they didn't pass rigorous testing. After all is said and done, in this city of Ferguson, St Louis or the entire state of Missouri, officials should take a closer look at the ethnic make up of each of its communities and promote hiring practices that will serve all racial communities.

    City of Los Angeles, in particular, is made up of every race and ethnicity one can think of. The racial mix of its law enforcement definitely changed, for the better, after the Rodney King incident because everyone became aware that all city residents were not being represented equally.
    Well that is all fine and dandy but at the same token while I strongly support full equality the job candidates have to be fully qualified for the job that they are applying whether it is a police officer, school teacher, city planner, etc. You cannot just base qualifications for public service jobs just on race and ethnicity. All candidates have to possess all the prior requirements to do the job and have the required level of education. No exceptions.



    I do know, after Rodney King, the LAPD launched hiring and recruitment job fairs that specifically targeted minorities (people other than white/Caucasian heterosexuals males), including our own LGBT community, appearing at gay pride events with a booth and or in the parade itself. We all know how you conservative, religious, white, republicons feel about affirmative action policies, "You cannot just base qualifications for public service jobs just on race and ethnicity and LGBT""No exceptions" icon_rolleyes.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 18, 2014 9:44 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    HottJoe said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    HottJoe saidIt doesn't seem to bother CuriousJockAZ that he keeps defending the repeated killings of unarmed black teens. He's sick in the head, and it's a social disease, which means there are a lot more like him.



    Hey Joe, I see you're up to your same old race-card-toting drivel. Michael Brown was hardly an innocent teen wondering the streets sucking on a popsicle. He'd just stolen from a convenience store where he also roughed up the clerk. He didn't need a weapon, he was potentially dangerous just being a 6'5" teenager with seemingly thug-like tendencies. I don't care what color you are, if you act out, break laws, mouth off to cops, you're asking for trouble. Is this a horrible tragedy? Of course. This kid didn't deserve to lose his life. That being said, had he been out not causing trouble, he'd still be alive. If Michael Brown were a white teen, not a word would have been uttered by the so-called Reverend Al Sharpton. There would have been no riots in the streets...comments by the President...thousands of mourners who didn't even know him attending his funeral. I'm simply telling it like it is. That doesn't make me racist.

    You said the same things about Trayvon Martin. You like to describe black teenagers as dangerous, but they're not more dangerous than white teenagers. A lot of teenage males get into trouble and act out, but typically they're not supposed to get shot in the streets, yet somehow every time that happens to a black teenager you're there to justify the killing. We can't have a country that guns down unarmed teenagers and shrugs and says it's just a tragedy, because it's an atrocity. The police and the majority of society have used racial profiling for years to justify violence against a minority community. The rest of the world and the U.N. obviously see it for what it is, and if unequal justice keeps going on, U.S. courts and the criminal justice system will lose all credibility and there will be more protests, more violence, and a weaker country.
    What fantasyland do you live in Joe because many inner city black teens are quite dangerous because they are armed and have a chip on their shoulder. You should come to troubled northern cities like Gary, Detroit, Flint, Camden, Buffalo, and Baltimore. Many male black teens are walking sociopaths who are armed and dangerous and will pull out the gun or semi automatic and blow the person away without any remorse. You obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about and you are way too liberal for your own good. You see Joe these are older northern cities that were ruled for a long time and completely ruined by your beloved democratic party.

    He was unarmed. Besides, I don't believe you. My opinions aren't based on Fox News. I actually work in a very diverse part of town where all day long I interact with people of all walks of life, including many people of different races, and immigrants, and, low and behold and by golly, they are no different than white people. Actually, they're nicer and I like them better because they don't look down their noses at me and treat me like a servent. I also find common ground and friendly conversations with nearly everyone I talk to.

    I find it incredibly toxic that you're so afraid of people you don't even know. I think the xenophobic and racist attitudes of people who support racial profiling and deportation are the real danger to the country, especially to people of different races who are citizens just like you and deserve respect and hospitality just like you.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 19, 2014 12:50 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    roadbikeRob said
    HottJoe said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    HottJoe saidIt doesn't seem to bother CuriousJockAZ that he keeps defending the repeated killings of unarmed black teens. He's sick in the head, and it's a social disease, which means there are a lot more like him.



    Hey Joe, I see you're up to your same old race-card-toting drivel. Michael Brown was hardly an innocent teen wondering the streets sucking on a popsicle. He'd just stolen from a convenience store where he also roughed up the clerk. He didn't need a weapon, he was potentially dangerous just being a 6'5" teenager with seemingly thug-like tendencies. I don't care what color you are, if you act out, break laws, mouth off to cops, you're asking for trouble. Is this a horrible tragedy? Of course. This kid didn't deserve to lose his life. That being said, had he been out not causing trouble, he'd still be alive. If Michael Brown were a white teen, not a word would have been uttered by the so-called Reverend Al Sharpton. There would have been no riots in the streets...comments by the President...thousands of mourners who didn't even know him attending his funeral. I'm simply telling it like it is. That doesn't make me racist.

    You said the same things about Trayvon Martin. You like to describe black teenagers as dangerous, but they're not more dangerous than white teenagers. A lot of teenage males get into trouble and act out, but typically they're not supposed to get shot in the streets, yet somehow every time that happens to a black teenager you're there to justify the killing. We can't have a country that guns down unarmed teenagers and shrugs and says it's just a tragedy, because it's an atrocity. The police and the majority of society have used racial profiling for years to justify violence against a minority community. The rest of the world and the U.N. obviously see it for what it is, and if unequal justice keeps going on, U.S. courts and the criminal justice system will lose all credibility and there will be more protests, more violence, and a weaker country.
    What fantasyland do you live in Joe because many inner city black teens are quite dangerous because they are armed and have a chip on their shoulder. You should come to troubled northern cities like Gary, Detroit, Flint, Camden, Buffalo, and Baltimore. Many male black teens are walking sociopaths who are armed and dangerous and will pull out the gun or semi automatic and blow the person away without any remorse. You obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about and you are way too liberal for your own good. You see Joe these are older northern cities that were ruled for a long time and completely ruined by your beloved democratic party.

    He was unarmed. Besides, I don't believe you. My opinions aren't based on Fox News. I actually work in a very diverse part of town where all day long I interact with people of all walks of life, including many people of different races, and immigrants, and, low and behold and by golly, they are no different than white people. Actually, they're nicer and I like them better because they don't look down their noses at me and treat me like a servent. I also find common ground and friendly conversations with nearly everyone I talk to.

    I find it incredibly toxic that you're so afraid of people you don't even know. I think the xenophobic and racist attitudes of people who support racial profiling and deportation are the real danger to the country, especially to people of different races who are citizens just like you and deserve respect and hospitality just like you.
    You obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about. You need to get out of your safe, prosperous city of Minneapolis and come out into the real world and visit impoverished, decayed cities like Gary, Detroit, Flint, Buffalo, Camden, and Baltimore which are all casualties of monolithic democratic rule in city hall. These are cities where inner city black male teens have to be approached with caution because you will never know if they are armed and dangerous. You also have to observe their demeanor. This is not Fox News bunky this is the absolute harsh truth. Who do you think your drug dealers hire to help them distribute their illicit goods and act as lookouts for authorities, obviously it is these inner city male black teens because of their street savvy and their ruthlessness. But you obviously don't know a goddamned thing about the older northern American city because you most likely never set foot into any of them but yet you remain a blind sycophant to the political party that has destroyed these once proud and prosperous cities. You just keep regurgitating the same ultra leftist hyperbole over and over again like an old broken record. Wake up and smell the coffee kid.
  • AllAmericanJo...

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    Nov 20, 2014 12:10 PM GMT
    Actually, it's white males that should be approached cautiously, since they have been responsible for more death, destruction, despair, and dead bodies throughout history than any other group. It would take black males centuries to catch up. You never know what will set off an angry white male, and cause him to go bonkers -- shooting up public places, theaters, and schools. In almost every area that anyone feels institutional unhappiness, there is at its root some decision once made by a white man. And yet we're supposed to be scared of some random powerless black kid? Do teabaggers actually think anyone will fall for this nonsense? There is no creature on earth more dangerous than a right-wing white male.

    If Michael Brown was white we wouldn't have heard about -- of course we wouldn't, because white kids who get into trouble, like all teenagers do, don't get murdered by cops. They get warnings and talkings-to as the same racist white men who call Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown a "thug" laugh off the exact same behavior in white teens as "boys will be boys" normal teenage development.

    To white, the thug Mitt Romney who spent his teenage years bullying gay kids, and the thug George W. Bush who spend his teenage years in constant trouble with drugs and other delinquencies. But white thug boys are worthy of the Presidency in the eyes of racist Republican white men.