Disturbing encounter...

  • Unnamed6

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    Nov 21, 2014 1:18 AM GMT
    Hmm, I need to restate what I just wrote, but the idea is that one shouldn't deal with otherwise inflexible people, whether such inflexibility is no fault of their own or not, but hopefully I can clarify this later.
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    Nov 21, 2014 3:57 AM GMT
    “I’ve demonstrated in my research that pederasty is really at the core of male homosexual culture. Not that every homosexual man is engaged in it, but that it’s always been sort of a central theme of male homosexuality.”~~Scott Lively of Defend the Family

    http://christiannews.net/2014/11/20/human-rights-campaigns-homosexual-founder-charged-with-sexual-abuse-of-boy/
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    Nov 21, 2014 6:20 AM GMT
    theantijock said“I’ve demonstrated in my research that pederasty is really at the core of male homosexual culture. Not that every homosexual man is engaged in it, but that it’s always been sort of a central theme of male homosexuality.”~~Scott Lively of Defend the Family

    http://christiannews.net/2014/11/20/human-rights-campaigns-homosexual-founder-charged-with-sexual-abuse-of-boy/


    Pfft. Yes, one must mean all. I don't think so. Gross.
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    Nov 21, 2014 11:12 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    muscleboundfem saidSounds like you are just pushing the regrets of your life onto this kid. My first boyfriend was 24 and I was 16. I lied to him. It was a good experience for me. If anything I was too young to appreciate him.

    Is this directed at me?

    I only chimed in because I was starting to think I'd regret it if I didn't say something.


    just because you are attractive does not mean everything is about you. This was directed at the OP
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    Nov 21, 2014 1:22 PM GMT
    muscleboundfem said
    HottJoe said
    muscleboundfem saidSounds like you are just pushing the regrets of your life onto this kid. My first boyfriend was 24 and I was 16. I lied to him. It was a good experience for me. If anything I was too young to appreciate him.

    Is this directed at me?

    I only chimed in because I was starting to think I'd regret it if I didn't say something.


    just because you are attractive does not mean everything is about you. This was directed at the OP

    Lol, everyone on RJ has thought something was directed at them that wasn't meant for them at some point.

    Typically I stop addressing everything to an OP specifically, if he's no longer contributing once a dialogue is underway. At this point, it's a conversarion, and your comment came after I shared more about my life than I usually do in just any thread.

    I'm not staring at my own face when I write. I'm looking inside my mind, and so I don't see myself as different from any other poster, even if you think my response has something to do with my looks....

    I'm actually still thinking about Unnamed's post....icon_neutral.gif
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    Nov 21, 2014 4:16 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    muscleboundfem said
    HottJoe said
    muscleboundfem saidSounds like you are just pushing the regrets of your life onto this kid. My first boyfriend was 24 and I was 16. I lied to him. It was a good experience for me. If anything I was too young to appreciate him.

    Is this directed at me?

    I only chimed in because I was starting to think I'd regret it if I didn't say something.


    just because you are attractive does not mean everything is about you. This was directed at the OP

    Lol, everyone on RJ has thought something was directed at them that wasn't meant for them at some point.

    Typically I stop addressing everything to an OP specifically, if he's no longer contributing once a dialogue is underway. At this point, it's a conversarion, and your comment came after I shared more about my life than I usually do in just any thread.

    I'm not staring at my own face when I write. I'm looking inside my mind, and so I don't see myself as different from any other poster, even if you think my response has something to do with my looks....

    I'm actually still thinking about Unnamed's post....icon_neutral.gif


    I think you use your webcam as a mirror when you get online, running dialogue like this to yourself.

    "Was he he talking to us hotjoe"
    "You're damn Skippy he was, my precious"
  • Destinharbor

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    Nov 21, 2014 5:10 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Destinharbor said
    HottJoe saidThis thread is indeed disturbing. I find it troubling to see so many older men justifying pederasty. Why can't they date men their own age? Are they not attracted to their own peers, yet they expect young people to toss their youth to them for their sexual pleasures?

    I feel bad for young gay men reading this and I can see why many of them don't trust the older generation. I think the cycle of daddy son sex relationships is screwing people up, to the point where they support middle aged men preying on teenagers with no questions asked.

    It just seems like their minds must be broken.icon_sad.gif

    The flaw in your thinking is you start with the assumption that in an older/younger relationship, each party is "using" the other for some unspecified benefit. My (much) younger partner simply likes older guys. Finds them sexually appealing. I see his porn. He's also educated and mature and our relationship is no different than any couples in terms of power. I dated exclusively in my own age range until we met. Sure, I was attracted to him but for many reasons, including his physical youth. We are no more using each other than any other couple uses the other for love and support.

    It doesn't sound like you're describing a teenager. How old is he?

    Also you have a son, don't you? Did you care if your kids dated potential internet predators when they were teenagers?

    Well, he was 22 when we met. Just starting Grad school. He's 29 now. We have a running joke about who contacted who first. We really don't know. But you see, you just just called all older guys who like younger guys a "predator." If you start from that perspective, of course it's objectionable. And that is exactly my point. You see, your bias is to label the older guy as a pervert. That's not always the case. In fact, my guess is it is seldom the case. As to my two boys, yes, I'd not want them to date internet predators. I would't want them to date internet murderers, either. But if one of them had turned out to be gay and brought home a decent, loving guy who was older, I would hope I'd have the grace to respect his decision about what he needs and wants without prejudice. Which sounds like something you can't do.
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    Well, he was 22 when we met. Just starting Grad school. He's 29 now. We have a running joke about who contacted who first. We really don't know. But you see, you just just called all older guys who like younger guys a "predator." If you start from that perspective, of course it's objectionable. And that is exactly my point. You see, your bias is to label the older guy as a pervert. That's not always the case. In fact, my guess is it is seldom the case. As to my two boys, yes, I'd not want them to date internet predators. I would't want them to date internet murderers, either. But if one of them had turned out to be gay and brought home a decent, loving guy who was older, I would hope I'd have the grace to respect his decision about what he needs and wants without prejudice. Which sounds like something you can't do.


    Probably the most sensible thing I've read in this debate. Gay men in particular should guard against over-moralizing about how consenting adults choose to conduct their love lives, given they are so often on the receiving end of such puritanical nonsense.
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    Nov 21, 2014 6:13 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidThis thread is indeed disturbing. I find it troubling to see so many older men justifying pederasty. Why can't they date men their own age? Are they not attracted to their own peers, yet they expect young people to toss their youth to them for their sexual pleasures?

    I feel bad for young gay men reading this and I can see why many of them don't trust the older generation. I think the cycle of daddy son sex relationships is screwing people up, to the point where they support middle aged men preying on teenagers with no questions asked.



    I told you so ;)



    HottJoe said
    Aqueerius said^^You do realize that you're an exception here, and that every single age-related thread on this forum is filled with older men emphatically saying "it's just a number!" "consenting adults!" or "I'm 50 and have 18 year olds lining up outside my door..." icon_lol.gif

    We all get old eventually, but I never understand why people use that to justify the behaviors of SOME older men


    Those guys are the exceptions, and they have issues, no doubt, but most guys don't want to end up like that.
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    Nov 21, 2014 6:37 PM GMT
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    Destinharbor said
    Well, he was 22 when we met. Just starting Grad school. He's 29 now. We have a running joke about who contacted who first. We really don't know. But you see, you just just called all older guys who like younger guys a "predator." If you start from that perspective, of course it's objectionable. And that is exactly my point. You see, your bias is to label the older guy as a pervert. That's not always the case. In fact, my guess is it is seldom the case. As to my two boys, yes, I'd not want them to date internet predators. I would't want them to date internet murderers, either. But if one of them had turned out to be gay and brought home a decent, loving guy who was older, I would hope I'd have the grace to respect his decision about what he needs and wants without prejudice. Which sounds like something you can't do.


    Probably the most sensible thing I've read in this debate. Gay men in particular should guard against over-moralizing about how consenting adults choose to conduct their love lives, given they are so often on the receiving end of such puritanical nonsense.


    This is very true. I didn't learn about it until I passed the age of 50, but there is a small group of younger men who are only attracted to much older men. I never felt that way, but I respect their feelings.

    They've told me (and the ones I had theses conversations with were in their early to mid 20s) that coming to terms with their attraction can be like a second coming out and that they sometimes have to take a lot of flak for it. I don't see why these men should be required to be only with men their age to satisfy somebody else's sense of what's appropriate. I suspect similar arguments were made 70 years ago about the inappropriateness of becoming involved with people from different races.
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 21, 2014 6:41 PM GMT
    muscleboundfem said
    HottJoe said
    muscleboundfem said
    HottJoe said
    muscleboundfem saidSounds like you are just pushing the regrets of your life onto this kid. My first boyfriend was 24 and I was 16. I lied to him. It was a good experience for me. If anything I was too young to appreciate him.

    Is this directed at me?

    I only chimed in because I was starting to think I'd regret it if I didn't say something.


    just because you are attractive does not mean everything is about you. This was directed at the OP

    Lol, everyone on RJ has thought something was directed at them that wasn't meant for them at some point.

    Typically I stop addressing everything to an OP specifically, if he's no longer contributing once a dialogue is underway. At this point, it's a conversarion, and your comment came after I shared more about my life than I usually do in just any thread.

    I'm not staring at my own face when I write. I'm looking inside my mind, and so I don't see myself as different from any other poster, even if you think my response has something to do with my looks....

    I'm actually still thinking about Unnamed's post....icon_neutral.gif


    I think you use your webcam as a mirror when you get online, running dialogue like this to yourself.

    "Was he he talking to us hotjoe"
    "You're damn Skippy he was, my precious"

    After having a discussion with myself we have decided that you're projecting.
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 21, 2014 6:57 PM GMT
    Aqueerius said
    HottJoe saidThis thread is indeed disturbing. I find it troubling to see so many older men justifying pederasty. Why can't they date men their own age? Are they not attracted to their own peers, yet they expect young people to toss their youth to them for their sexual pleasures?

    I feel bad for young gay men reading this and I can see why many of them don't trust the older generation. I think the cycle of daddy son sex relationships is screwing people up, to the point where they support middle aged men preying on teenagers with no questions asked.



    I told you so ;)



    HottJoe said
    Aqueerius said^^You do realize that you're an exception here, and that every single age-related thread on this forum is filled with older men emphatically saying "it's just a number!" "consenting adults!" or "I'm 50 and have 18 year olds lining up outside my door..." icon_lol.gif

    We all get old eventually, but I never understand why people use that to justify the behaviors of SOME older men


    Those guys are the exceptions, and they have issues, no doubt, but most guys don't want to end up like that.

    At least the usual suspects have changed the conversation to act as though they were talking about guys in their twenties the whole time.

    I weighed in when the thread was about older men chasing teenagers, mainly because I came out as a teenager, and I remember this being THE issue that my friends and I had to deal with.
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