Do you have a friend who intentionally spreads HIV?

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    Nov 25, 2014 4:44 AM GMT
    there are so many sick people out there. so sad. i'd never associate with this at all.
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    Nov 25, 2014 4:48 AM GMT
    Thanks for the heads up! I will spare myself angst and pass on opening the link. I don't feel like I need a downer mood right now.
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    Nov 25, 2014 5:08 AM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    muscleboundfem saidAs long as he is open to his partners about it I don't see a problem.



    Seriously??? So you'd be okay with someone giving someone a deadly disease as long as the other person knew? Dude, you need some fucking morals.


    They are both adults. Its not my place to be ok with what grown men do in private. If he being honest with his partners and they are ok with possibly being infected that is their business. I personally wouldn't do it. My way of living is certainly not the only valid way. Its ok for you and I to disagree though. Cie la vie.
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    Nov 25, 2014 5:09 AM GMT
    It's not only your friend's fault, if the other person is not smart enough, or just doesn't care to use a condom, it's their fault also, and they should except the fact if they didn't use protection that they were taking a risk.. But if your friend is going out of his way to infect people, than he is an evil person..

    Gift givers was more of a late 90s thing.. Back then people who became infected were able to get on SSI..
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    Nov 25, 2014 5:14 AM GMT
    David3K saidApparently they're also into something called "STD Breeding"

    WARNING! This is fuckin sick and disgusting, dont open this if you're a sensitive soul, but I post the link so you know the kind of people out there:
    http://tribes.tribe.net/giftgivers/photos/b0b4e3aa-88a5-4d42-9f8d-032bfcf47417

    The world is full of gift givers and STD breeding so take care of yourselves cause no one else will.


    Holy shit. Holy. Shit. Ho. Ly. Shit.

    WTF.
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    Nov 25, 2014 5:30 AM GMT
    muscleboundfem said
    Scruffypup said
    muscleboundfem saidAs long as he is open to his partners about it I don't see a problem.



    Seriously??? So you'd be okay with someone giving someone a deadly disease as long as the other person knew? Dude, you need some fucking morals.


    They are both adults. Its not my place to be ok with what grown men do in private. If he being honest with his partners and they are ok with possibly being infected that is their business. I personally wouldn't do it. My way of living is certainly not the only valid way. Its ok for you and I to disagree though. Cie la vie.


    Not a valid way of living:

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    Nov 25, 2014 6:30 AM GMT
    hentailover said
    muscleboundfem said
    Scruffypup said
    muscleboundfem saidAs long as he is open to his partners about it I don't see a problem.



    Seriously??? So you'd be okay with someone giving someone a deadly disease as long as the other person knew? Dude, you need some fucking morals.


    They are both adults. Its not my place to be ok with what grown men do in private. If he being honest with his partners and they are ok with possibly being infected that is their business. I personally wouldn't do it. My way of living is certainly not the only valid way. Its ok for you and I to disagree though. Cie la vie.


    Not a valid way of living:

    4d4bd9c4-1b06-49cd-b9f7-903943e98bcb


    Considering this is a thread about being infected with HIV, I find your hyperbole disgusting, callous and inconsiderate.
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    Nov 25, 2014 6:35 AM GMT
    muscleboundfem said
    Scruffypup said
    muscleboundfem saidAs long as he is open to his partners about it I don't see a problem.



    Seriously??? So you'd be okay with someone giving someone a deadly disease as long as the other person knew? Dude, you need some fucking morals.


    They are both adults. Its not my place to be ok with what grown men do in private. If he being honest with his partners and they are ok with possibly being infected that is their business. I personally wouldn't do it. My way of living is certainly not the only valid way. Its ok for you and I to disagree though. Cie la vie.



    Yes but that would make your "friend" a sociopath to knowingly want to infect another person, even if the other guy was mentally ill enough to not care.
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    Nov 25, 2014 6:54 AM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    muscleboundfem said
    Scruffypup said
    muscleboundfem saidAs long as he is open to his partners about it I don't see a problem.



    Seriously??? So you'd be okay with someone giving someone a deadly disease as long as the other person knew? Dude, you need some fucking morals.


    They are both adults. Its not my place to be ok with what grown men do in private. If he being honest with his partners and they are ok with possibly being infected that is their business. I personally wouldn't do it. My way of living is certainly not the only valid way. Its ok for you and I to disagree though. Cie la vie.



    Yes but that would make your "friend" a sociopath to knowingly want to infect another person, even if the other guy was mentally ill enough to not care.


    Its not within my scope of practice to declare someone as mentally ill or a sociopath. Some people really value bareback sex. I personally don't get it. If I. Fall in love with an HIV positive man we will always use protection. However I have known two sero discordant couples who had bareback sex. Neither seemed to regret their choice and were very much in love. I don't get it but its not for me to get
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    Nov 25, 2014 6:56 AM GMT
    tj85016 saidso you associate with this scum bag? why? I'd publically out the dude's activities

    I'd rat him out in a heartbeat


    I thought of this when I read this. lol



    But no, OP, that's seriously messed up of your friend. I don't understand how anyone could feel positive doing something so... Wrong.

    But then again, there are men that just don't care if they get infected either so uh, he should just go for those guys.
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    Nov 25, 2014 12:56 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    David3K saidApparently they're also into something called "STD Breeding"

    WARNING! This is fuckin sick and disgusting, dont open this if you're a sensitive soul, but I post the link so you know the kind of people out there:
    http://tribes.tribe.net/giftgivers/photos/b0b4e3aa-88a5-4d42-9f8d-032bfcf47417

    The world is full of gift givers and STD breeding so take care of yourselves cause no one else will.


    Leave it to the amazon peccary to go combing the net for this wretched garbage. I find it hard to believe you have much of a personal life.

    Thank you for coming, we were waiting for you to show up given you're an expert on this topic.
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    Nov 25, 2014 6:38 PM GMT
    Are we really to believe there is more than a very small and mentally ill minority into this sort of behaviour? Intentionally infecting someone with a disease is criminal conduct, just like attacking someone with a knife or a hammer is criminal conduct. Like any very serious (and relatively rare) crime, it is easy to sensationalize it.
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    Nov 25, 2014 6:46 PM GMT
    NO! I am quite discriminating when it comes to the company I keep.
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    Nov 25, 2014 7:43 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidAre we really to believe there is more than a very small and mentally ill minority into this sort of behaviour? Intentionally infecting someone with a disease is criminal conduct, just like attacking someone with a knife or a hammer is criminal conduct. Like any very serious (and relatively rare) crime, it is easy to sensationalize it.


    Its very common. The dude is simply not telling his partners about his status. They don't so he doesn't tell. Attitudes like yours actually make the problem worst. I'm sure many guys say the same thing to themselves when they bareback.
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    Nov 25, 2014 8:12 PM GMT
    muscleboundfem said

    Its very common. The dude is simply not telling his partners about his status. They don't so he doesn't tell. Attitudes like yours actually make the problem worst. I'm sure many guys say the same thing to themselves when they bareback.


    The thread title refers to 'intentionally' spreading HIV. It doesn't say 'ignorantly' or 'accidentally', it says 'intentionally'. I made it clear I was talking about someone intentionally infecting another. Perhaps you could provide some evidence for your assertion that intentionally spreading HIV is 'very common'.
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    Nov 25, 2014 8:22 PM GMT
    Force saidI recently learned that a friend of mine that I have had for over three years does not use protection with all of his partners. He is open about his HIV status and I know he takes medication. He is a very bitter person, which is the main reason I never liked him in a romantic way, and he has this whole "well no one told me" bullshit outlook on the situation.

    IF you found out a friend of yours does this would you address them about it. I just left it alone with no real response or judgements.
    I'd turn his ass into the police.
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    Nov 25, 2014 9:36 PM GMT
    Force saidI recently learned that a friend of mine that I have had for over three years does not use protection with all of his partners. He is open about his HIV status and I know he takes medication. He is a very bitter person, which is the main reason I never liked him in a romantic way, and he has this whole "well no one told me" bullshit outlook on the situation.

    IF you found out a friend of yours does this would you address them about it. I just left it alone with no real response or judgements.


    So what is his status? Is he undetectable, that's my first question. And probably most of his partners are too.

    If he is still detectable he has opened a Pandora's box of liability.

    Why wold he say "well no one told me" if he is open about his HIV status? That makes no sense whatsoever. It doesn't ring true as a conversation.

    As for David, really? WTF does your addition have to do with anything? I didn't click on the link, sorry someone posted a pic. You are disgusting for posting it. It has NOTHING to do with the subject at hand.
    It's as stigmatizing as the Right Wingers who try to connect being Gay with beastiality and pedophilia.
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    Nov 25, 2014 10:58 PM GMT
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    muscleboundfem said

    Its very common. The dude is simply not telling his partners about his status. They don't so he doesn't tell. Attitudes like yours actually make the problem worst. I'm sure many guys say the same thing to themselves when they bareback.


    The thread title refers to 'intentionally' spreading HIV. It doesn't say 'ignorantly' or 'accidentally', it says 'intentionally'. I made it clear I was talking about someone intentionally infecting another. Perhaps you could provide some evidence for your assertion that intentionally spreading HIV is 'very common'.


    If you know you have HIV and you do not tell your partner you have HIV you are intentionally putting them at risk. You have also have no hard evidence that a small minority of people with HIV do not disclose that to their partner. Just this week it happened to me. The guy had no intention of using a condom until I demanded one. I found his A4A page and he listed himself as HIV positive. I believe this happens all of the time because very few men have pulled out a condom without me making it clear I only use protection. Their is a lot of bareback sex going on. Chances are a fair share of these people know they are HIV positive. We need to stop acting as if HIV infected people are always responsible. They are not. People like you create a false sense of security that is killing gay men.
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    Nov 25, 2014 11:56 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
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    Just this week it happened to me. The guy had no intention of using a condom until I demanded one. I found his A4A page and he listed himself as HIV positive. I believe this happens all of the time because very few men have pulled out a condom without me making it clear I only use protection.


    I find this hard to believe. So you met this guy how, initially? And then later you just happened to stumble upon his A4A profile and then you learned that he was HIV+?



    Oh please, I'm sure he is shattered to know MuchMoreThanMucus doesn't believe his story. There's a very predictable pattern to your behavior.....each and every time you don't like what someone has posted, you call them a liar (and insult everything about them like the hateful bitter queen you are.) No one gives a shit what you believe because you're transparent as fuck. Anytime anyone says anything negative about someone with HIV, even if it has nothing to do with you, you go on the attack. What a loser.
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    Nov 26, 2014 12:07 AM GMT
    ^^Scruffy has a point though. Why assume that the other guy "sticks his ass in the air for strangers"? Is it impossible to tell whether someone intends to bareback without being overtly proactive about it? Do you think "don't ask, don't tell" is an acceptable rule for poz guys?
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    Nov 26, 2014 1:41 AM GMT
    muscleboundfem said
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    muscleboundfem said

    Its very common. The dude is simply not telling his partners about his status. They don't so he doesn't tell. Attitudes like yours actually make the problem worst. I'm sure many guys say the same thing to themselves when they bareback.


    The thread title refers to 'intentionally' spreading HIV. It doesn't say 'ignorantly' or 'accidentally', it says 'intentionally'. I made it clear I was talking about someone intentionally infecting another. Perhaps you could provide some evidence for your assertion that intentionally spreading HIV is 'very common'.


    If you know you have HIV and you do not tell your partner you have HIV you are intentionally putting them at risk. You have also have no hard evidence that a small minority of people with HIV do not disclose that to their partner. Just this week it happened to me. The guy had no intention of using a condom until I demanded one. I found his A4A page and he listed himself as HIV positive. I believe this happens all of the time because very few men have pulled out a condom without me making it clear I only use protection. Their is a lot of bareback sex going on. Chances are a fair share of these people know they are HIV positive. We need to stop acting as if HIV infected people are always responsible. They are not. People like you create a false sense of security that is killing gay men.


    Until you demand condoms? Very few have pulled out a condom? Where are YOUR condoms?

    Yes there is a lot of condomless sex going! 53% don't use them. It's funny how everyone SAYS they treat their hook ups as if they were Positive. But they obviously don't. So would you have been as irate if he said on A4A and he said was Negative? Or Undetectable? Remember that most new HIV cases are from men within a relationship, from people who don't know their status, and SAY THEY ARE NEGATIVE.

    If he says he's POZ on A4A, for everyone to see, why suddenly hide it from you? And like the OP's friend they are both open about it otherwise? Doesn't sound right.

    I'm on A4A too, PM me with his screen name. DO NOT POST IT ON THIS THREAD! I want to get the whole story.

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    Nov 26, 2014 2:24 AM GMT
    It's entertaining to see the 2 resident RJ gift givers get all crazy over this topic and getting MAD at people making actual points.

    By the way MMTA likes to attack me constantly using the fantasy argument that I live in the "Amazon rainforest", apparently he has no idea there is no rainforest or anything similar in Uruguay. He's also unaware Uruguay is a very western country that excels in many things including education.

    What's so funny about this? My reasons to detest MMTA and his sick ways are true and can be read in any of his many posts, while his attacks to me are based in some childish fantasy he created in his mind. It's like I based my replies to him on making fun on his hair, lol.
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    Nov 26, 2014 2:32 AM GMT
    No.
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    Nov 26, 2014 2:37 AM GMT
    David3K saidIt's entertaining to see the 2 resident RJ gift givers get all crazy over this topic and getting MAD at people making actual points.

    By the way MMTA likes to attack me constantly using the fantasy argument that I live in the "Amazon rainforest", apparently he has no idea there is no rainforest or anything similar in Uruguay. He's also unaware Uruguay is a very western country that excels in many things including education.

    What's so funny about this? My reasons to detest MMTA and his sick ways are true and can be read in any of his many posts, while his attacks to me are based in some childish fantasy he created in his mind. It's like I based my replies to him on making fun on his hair, lol.


    Good point

    Uruguay is known for it's....

    Well it certainly made a difference in...

    Oh and then there is the art...sceene...that is..uruguay..

    You mostly supply Maids and discount Hookers


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    Nov 26, 2014 2:57 AM GMT
    David3K saidIt's entertaining to see the 2 resident RJ gift givers get all crazy over this topic and getting MAD at people making actual points.



    Have you ever made a point??? icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif