Do you have a friend who intentionally spreads HIV?

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    Nov 26, 2014 3:07 AM GMT
    Cash said
    David3K saidIt's entertaining to see the 2 resident RJ gift givers get all crazy over this topic and getting MAD at people making actual points.

    By the way MMTA likes to attack me constantly using the fantasy argument that I live in the "Amazon rainforest", apparently he has no idea there is no rainforest or anything similar in Uruguay. He's also unaware Uruguay is a very western country that excels in many things including education.

    What's so funny about this? My reasons to detest MMTA and his sick ways are true and can be read in any of his many posts, while his attacks to me are based in some childish fantasy he created in his mind. It's like I based my replies to him on making fun on his hair, lol.


    Good point

    Uruguay is known for it's....

    Well it certainly made a difference in...

    Oh and then there is the art...sceene...that is..uruguay..

    You mostly supply Maids and discount Hookers




    Maids and discount hookers? Funny, because Uruguayans don't even require a visa to enter USA! Do you know why? Because people from here are not interested in going to work there, let alone as maids.

    I don't know about YOUR country, but in mine gays can get married, adopt and have full gay laws. We don't have crazy conservative christians, actually 40% of the population are atheists or agnostics and religion is separated from schools and the government.
    We have a president that is nominated for the Nobel and actually deserves it. And yeah, we also became the first country in the world to fully legalize marihuana and sell it freely.
    Did I mention we don't have any natural disasters and that I live at walking distance of a beautiful beach?

    So please, next time you talk about Uruguay inform yourself or keep looking like an ignorant fool. icon_wink.gif

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay
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    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
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    Just this week it happened to me. The guy had no intention of using a condom until I demanded one. I found his A4A page and he listed himself as HIV positive. I believe this happens all of the time because very few men have pulled out a condom without me making it clear I only use protection.


    I find this hard to believe. So you met this guy how, initially? And then later you just happened to stumble upon his A4A profile and then you learned that he was HIV+?

    So you make it clear you "only" use protection but this guy somehow was about to slide into your butt bareback until you demanded one? Why didn't you discuss the boundaries of what you were going to do sexually before sticking your butt in the air for this stranger you just met?

    If you stick your ass in the air for a total stranger claiming you don't know his HIV status until you supposedly found his profile at a later date online, what does that really say about you?

    The easiest way to avoid any of this is to discuss these matters before having sex with a total stranger. If you ask for status and assert your boundaries, none of this becomes an issue.


    Wow calm down, I never said I was upset about it at all. Why would I be upset we used a condom. I treat every hook up as if they have HIV. I don't ask because I wouldn't believe the answer. We were messing around and he pressed his dick against my ass. I said condoms only and he pulled out a condom and put it on. Later t
    day he was on my last visit page. I'm assuming he went on A4A after we had sex and noticed my picture in the vicinity. Like any other human being he became curious and looked at my profile. I asked if it was him and he said yes. I thanked him for a good time and that was it. I'm not pressed about it. I didn't ask so he didn't tell. Its very common for gay men who hookup to do this. You don't have to approve of me. I'm not looking for your approval. I don't even know you.
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    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidWell, as far as MuscleBoundFem described his story it is quite obvious that HIV status was not discussed before engaging in sex. As he stated, he learned of this person's HIV status on a hookup website after he already had sex with him. We can safely assume that MuscleBoundFem had casual anonymous sex since he didn't even know this person's HIV status before sleeping with him. But hey, had he met him on A4A first then he would have known this person's HIV status. What MuslceBound is doing is grasping at straws to vilify a sex partner he willingly and still had sex with even though this casual encounter was going to try and bareback him. MuscleBound should analyze his own behavior and ask himself why didn't he just get up, stop and end the sex. But had he got up and left it wouldn't make for a juicy story to tell on realjock about how "dishonest" and injurious some anonymous casual encounter with a 'stealth' breeding bareback HIV+ top now would it?


    My point is this, which some of you are having a very difficult time comprehending:

    Talk about HIV status first before engaging in sex. Get condoms ready before you start having sex and take your clothes off. Protect yourself and be proactive about your sexual limitations. It really is that simple, cut and dry.


    What the hell, I was never stealth or harmed. He made an assumption. I corrected him. That is all that happened. Stealthing is removing the condom or damaging the condom. Which he didn't do. He simply didn't tell me he was positive.
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    muscleboundfem said
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    Its very common. The dude is simply not telling his partners about his status. They don't so he doesn't tell. Attitudes like yours actually make the problem worst. I'm sure many guys say the same thing to themselves when they bareback.


    The thread title refers to 'intentionally' spreading HIV. It doesn't say 'ignorantly' or 'accidentally', it says 'intentionally'. I made it clear I was talking about someone intentionally infecting another. Perhaps you could provide some evidence for your assertion that intentionally spreading HIV is 'very common'.


    If you know you have HIV and you do not tell your partner you have HIV you are intentionally putting them at risk. You have also have no hard evidence that a small minority of people with HIV do not disclose that to their partner. Just this week it happened to me. The guy had no intention of using a condom until I demanded one. I found his A4A page and he listed himself as HIV positive. I believe this happens all of the time because very few men have pulled out a condom without me making it clear I only use protection. Their is a lot of bareback sex going on. Chances are a fair share of these people know they are HIV positive. We need to stop acting as if HIV infected people are always responsible. They are not. People like you create a false sense of security that is killing gay men.


    Until you demand condoms? Very few have pulled out a condom? Where are YOUR condoms?

    Yes there is a lot of condomless sex going! 53% don't use them. It's funny how everyone SAYS they treat their hook ups as if they were Positive. But they obviously don't. So would you have been as irate if he said on A4A and he said was Negative? Or Undetectable? Remember that most new HIV cases are from men within a relationship, from people who don't know their status, and SAY THEY ARE NEGATIVE.

    If he says he's POZ on A4A, for everyone to see, why suddenly hide it from you? And like the OP's friend they are both open about it otherwise? Doesn't sound right.

    I'm on A4A too, PM me with his screen name. DO NOT POST IT ON THIS THREAD! I want to get the whole story.




    What the hell is wrong with you people. Its not that hard to understand. He didn't hide anything from me. He didn't answer a question I never asked. I was never upset. I treat every hookup as if they have HIV. Had he not had condoms I would have used mine.
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    [cite]hentailover said[/cite]^^Scruffy has a point though. Why assume that the other guy "sticks his ass in the air for strangers"? Is it impossible to tell whether someone intends to bareback without being overtly proactive about it? Do you think "don't ask, don't tell" is an acceptable rule for poz guys?


    Well, as far as MuscleBoundFem described his story it is quite obvious that HIV status was not discussed before engaging in sex. As he stated, he learned of this person's HIV status on a hookup website after he already had sex with him. We can safely assume that MuscleBoundFem had casual anonymous sex since he didn't even know this person's HIV status before sleeping with him. But hey, had he met him on A4A first then he would have known this person's HIV status. What MuslceBound is doing is grasping at straws to vilify a sex partner he willingly and still had sex with even though this casual encounter was going to try and bareback him. MuscleBound should analyze his own behavior and ask himself why didn't he just get up, stop and end the sex. But had he got up and left it wouldn't make for a juicy story to tell on realjock about how "dishonest" and injurious some anonymous casual encounter with a 'stealth' breeding bareback HIV+ top now would it?


    My point is this, which some of you are having a very difficult time comprehending:

    Talk about HIV status first before engaging in sex. Get condoms ready before you start having sex and take your clothes off. Protect yourself and be proactive about your sexual limitations. It really is that simple, cut and dry.



    It's about informed consent. Sure, I'm gonna put a condom on regardless of what you say your status is, and am willing to date someone who is poz anyway, but if you are poz and didn't tell me just because I didn't ask, that's a problem.

    As much as those who want the stigma to go away would like to see HIV as a "new normal" where everyone has that the oh-so-sexy "disease-free/low-viral-load here, hbu?" talk before bed, I'm pretty sure if I asked someone "let's get tested together", they'll think I must've slept with half of the village...
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    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    [cite]hentailover said[/cite]^^Scruffy has a point though. Why assume that the other guy "sticks his ass in the air for strangers"? Is it impossible to tell whether someone intends to bareback without being overtly proactive about it? Do you think "don't ask, don't tell" is an acceptable rule for poz guys?


    Well, as far as MuscleBoundFem described his story it is quite obvious that HIV status was not discussed before engaging in sex. As he stated, he learned of this person's HIV status on a hookup website after he already had sex with him. We can safely assume that MuscleBoundFem had casual anonymous sex since he didn't even know this person's HIV status before sleeping with him. But hey, had he met him on A4A first then he would have known this person's HIV status. What MuslceBound is doing is grasping at straws to vilify a sex partner he willingly and still had sex with even though this casual encounter was going to try and bareback him. MuscleBound should analyze his own behavior and ask himself why didn't he just get up, stop and end the sex. But had he got up and left it wouldn't make for a juicy story to tell on realjock about how "dishonest" and injurious some anonymous casual encounter with a 'stealth' breeding bareback HIV+ top now would it?


    My point is this, which some of you are having a very difficult time comprehending:

    Talk about HIV status first before engaging in sex. Get condoms ready before you start having sex and take your clothes off. Protect yourself and be proactive about your sexual limitations. It really is that simple, cut and dry.



    It's about informed consent. Sure, I'm gonna put a condom on regardless of what you say your status is, and am willing to date someone who is poz anyway, but if you are poz and didn't tell me just because I didn't ask, that's a problem.


    That is exactly my point. I really don't care what you say your status is. We are using a condom. Also don't HIV test tell still have a window where a positive person will test negative. I've also read that, that early period before your body produces anti bodies is when you are most virulent. Testing negative doesn't mean you are currently negative.
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    muscleboundfem said
    timmm55 said
    muscleboundfem said
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    Its very common. The dude is simply not telling his partners about his status. They don't so he doesn't tell. Attitudes like yours actually make the problem worst. I'm sure many guys say the same thing to themselves when they bareback.


    The thread title refers to 'intentionally' spreading HIV. It doesn't say 'ignorantly' or 'accidentally', it says 'intentionally'. I made it clear I was talking about someone intentionally infecting another. Perhaps you could provide some evidence for your assertion that intentionally spreading HIV is 'very common'.


    If you know you have HIV and you do not tell your partner you have HIV you are intentionally putting them at risk. You have also have no hard evidence that a small minority of people with HIV do not disclose that to their partner. Just this week it happened to me. The guy had no intention of using a condom until I demanded one. I found his A4A page and he listed himself as HIV positive. I believe this happens all of the time because very few men have pulled out a condom without me making it clear I only use protection. Their is a lot of bareback sex going on. Chances are a fair share of these people know they are HIV positive. We need to stop acting as if HIV infected people are always responsible. They are not. People like you create a false sense of security that is killing gay men.


    Until you demand condoms? Very few have pulled out a condom? Where are YOUR condoms?

    Yes there is a lot of condomless sex going! 53% don't use them. It's funny how everyone SAYS they treat their hook ups as if they were Positive. But they obviously don't. So would you have been as irate if he said on A4A and he said was Negative? Or Undetectable? Remember that most new HIV cases are from men within a relationship, from people who don't know their status, and SAY THEY ARE NEGATIVE.

    If he says he's POZ on A4A, for everyone to see, why suddenly hide it from you? And like the OP's friend they are both open about it otherwise? Doesn't sound right.

    I'm on A4A too, PM me with his screen name. DO NOT POST IT ON THIS THREAD! I want to get the whole story.




    What the hell is wrong with you people. Its not that hard to understand. He didn't hide anything from me. He didn't answer a question I never asked. I was never upset. I treat every hookup as if they have HIV. Had he not had condoms I would have used mine.

    The dude was willing to fuck you with no condom even though he was aware he was HIV+. I agree it's the responsibility of the other person to use a condom too and we must always ausume the hook ups are poz but If you can't see the problem on this guy's selfish and dangerous behaviour there's something wrong with you.
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    Wow...after reading this thread and learning about tribe.com I will defintely recommend my friends to be more careful. And maybe by some Oraquick
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    Nov 26, 2014 5:34 AM GMT
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    David3K saidIt's entertaining to see the 2 resident RJ gift givers get all crazy over this topic and getting MAD at people making actual points.

    By the way MMTA likes to attack me constantly using the fantasy argument that I live in the "Amazon rainforest", apparently he has no idea there is no rainforest or anything similar in Uruguay. He's also unaware Uruguay is a very western country that excels in many things including education.


    There goes Gayvid foaming at the mouth as peccary hoofed beasts typically do when they don't get their way.

    To be clear, Gayvid666K, I farcically lump you together with Amazon rain forest bottom feeders to express how little I respect you. It's meant to be comical and dismissive all in one. I also spread this bullshit about you since you continue to spread libel about me in the forums. You know nothing about my sexual habits because I don't talk about what I do personally. You are making erroneous conclusions about me based on sound medical information that has been provided by HIV specialists whom I happen to (sometimes) agree with. Nothing more.

    But I think Cash nailed it. Your mother's an old maid, your unaware girlfriend who has no idea you send your cock pics to men online is a hooker and I wouldn't be surprised if you were a drug dealer.

    You excel at perversely twisting information around and spreading malarkey. The very least you can do is be a man about it and not get all pussyhurt when you get a taste of your own medicine.



    Gotta love how you constantly talk about other's spreading "libel" and in the same sentence accuse people of having syphilis and calling people drug dealers. Maybe one of your friends who can read will look up the word "libel" for you and explain it to you. Can you be anymore hypocritical? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidWell, as far as MuscleBoundFem described his story it is quite obvious that HIV status was not discussed before engaging in sex. As he stated, he learned of this person's HIV status on a hookup website after he already had sex with him. We can safely assume that MuscleBoundFem had casual anonymous sex since he didn't even know this person's HIV status before sleeping with him. But hey, had he met him on A4A first then he would have known this person's HIV status. What MuslceBound is doing is grasping at straws to vilify a sex partner he willingly and still had sex with even though this casual encounter was going to try and bareback him. MuscleBound should analyze his own behavior and ask himself why didn't he just get up, stop and end the sex. But had he got up and left it wouldn't make for a juicy story to tell on realjock about how "dishonest" and injurious some anonymous casual encounter with a 'stealth' breeding bareback HIV+ top now would it?


    My point is this, which some of you are having a very difficult time comprehending:

    Talk about HIV status first before engaging in sex. Get condoms ready before you start having sex and take your clothes off. Protect yourself and be proactive about your sexual limitations. It really is that simple, cut and dry.


    What the hell, I was never stealth or harmed. He made an assumption. I corrected him. That is all that happened. Stealthing is removing the condom or damaging the condom. Which he didn't do. He simply didn't tell me he was positive.


    Yes, I know he never stealth bred or intended to do so. I was being sarcastic but was doing so in a way to facetiously inflate a point that wasn't even worth mentioning. Sort of like you you did with your encounter of some guy you slept with you that somewhat vilified by describing the encounter online.


    I was simply sharing a story as an example. He did to me what the OPs friend does to other guys. Its not rare for an HIV positive man to not disclose his status. I didn't inflate the story. I simply laid out what happened. I didn't intend to vilify him because I didn't see him as a villian. You have a problem with the story. I don't. You see him as a villain. I don't.
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    Nov 26, 2014 5:42 AM GMT
    David3K said
    muscleboundfem said
    timmm55 said
    muscleboundfem said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    muscleboundfem said

    Its very common. The dude is simply not telling his partners about his status. They don't so he doesn't tell. Attitudes like yours actually make the problem worst. I'm sure many guys say the same thing to themselves when they bareback.


    The thread title refers to 'intentionally' spreading HIV. It doesn't say 'ignorantly' or 'accidentally', it says 'intentionally'. I made it clear I was talking about someone intentionally infecting another. Perhaps you could provide some evidence for your assertion that intentionally spreading HIV is 'very common'.


    If you know you have HIV and you do not tell your partner you have HIV you are intentionally putting them at risk. You have also have no hard evidence that a small minority of people with HIV do not disclose that to their partner. Just this week it happened to me. The guy had no intention of using a condom until I demanded one. I found his A4A page and he listed himself as HIV positive. I believe this happens all of the time because very few men have pulled out a condom without me making it clear I only use protection. Their is a lot of bareback sex going on. Chances are a fair share of these people know they are HIV positive. We need to stop acting as if HIV infected people are always responsible. They are not. People like you create a false sense of security that is killing gay men.


    Until you demand condoms? Very few have pulled out a condom? Where are YOUR condoms?

    Yes there is a lot of condomless sex going! 53% don't use them. It's funny how everyone SAYS they treat their hook ups as if they were Positive. But they obviously don't. So would you have been as irate if he said on A4A and he said was Negative? Or Undetectable? Remember that most new HIV cases are from men within a relationship, from people who don't know their status, and SAY THEY ARE NEGATIVE.

    If he says he's POZ on A4A, for everyone to see, why suddenly hide it from you? And like the OP's friend they are both open about it otherwise? Doesn't sound right.

    I'm on A4A too, PM me with his screen name. DO NOT POST IT ON THIS THREAD! I want to get the whole story.




    What the hell is wrong with you people. Its not that hard to understand. He didn't hide anything from me. He didn't answer a question I never asked. I was never upset. I treat every hookup as if they have HIV. Had he not had condoms I would have used mine.

    The dude was willing to fuck you with no condom even though he was aware he was HIV+. I agree it's the responsibility of the other person to use a condom too and we must always ausume the hook ups are poz but If you can't see the problem on this guy's selfish and dangerous behaviour there's something wrong with you.


    I do see it as selfish. However there is no point in me being angry. It doesn't solve anything. He should tell his partners that he is positive. He doesn't. Those who choose to bareback with someone of unknown status should assume they will be infected. You went from suggesting I'm lying to saying something is wrong with me simply because I'm not as pressed as you are. Get the fuck over yourself.
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    Nov 26, 2014 5:45 AM GMT
    YourName saidWow...after reading this thread and learning about tribe.com I will defintely recommend my friends to be more careful. And maybe by some Oraquick


    While I personally use oraquick as well as a year full panel, I fear that some gay men use oraquick to give themselves a false sense of security. You should always wrap it up.
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    Nov 26, 2014 5:46 AM GMT
    hentailover said
    muscleboundfem said
    Scruffypup said
    muscleboundfem saidAs long as he is open to his partners about it I don't see a problem.



    Seriously??? So you'd be okay with someone giving someone a deadly disease as long as the other person knew? Dude, you need some fucking morals.


    They are both adults. Its not my place to be ok with what grown men do in private. If he being honest with his partners and they are ok with possibly being infected that is their business. I personally wouldn't do it. My way of living is certainly not the only valid way. Its ok for you and I to disagree though. Cie la vie.


    Not a valid way of living:

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    I always knew Lord of the Rings was homophobic, casting HIV as the villain... time for a boycott, ladies!

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    Nov 26, 2014 8:43 AM GMT
    Ok first of all a person who intentionally spreads HIV is not worthy of being a friend. I don't care what you say.
    Second those people who want to get HIV and spread other diseases.. WTF is wrong with them. That is just plain stupidity. Sites that promote bullshit like that need to be banned. Simply disgusting.
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    Nov 26, 2014 11:48 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidWell, as far as MuscleBoundFem described his story it is quite obvious that HIV status was not discussed before engaging in sex. As he stated, he learned of this person's HIV status on a hookup website after he already had sex with him. We can safely assume that MuscleBoundFem had casual anonymous sex since he didn't even know this person's HIV status before sleeping with him. But hey, had he met him on A4A first then he would have known this person's HIV status. What MuslceBound is doing is grasping at straws to vilify a sex partner he willingly and still had sex with even though this casual encounter was going to try and bareback him. MuscleBound should analyze his own behavior and ask himself why didn't he just get up, stop and end the sex. But had he got up and left it wouldn't make for a juicy story to tell on realjock about how "dishonest" and injurious some anonymous casual encounter with a 'stealth' breeding bareback HIV+ top now would it?


    My point is this, which some of you are having a very difficult time comprehending:

    Talk about HIV status first before engaging in sex. Get condoms ready before you start having sex and take your clothes off. Protect yourself and be proactive about your sexual limitations. It really is that simple, cut and dry.


    Exactly. It seems some people are more interested in creating and perpetuating salacious nonsense, rather than promoting sensible precautions.
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    Nov 26, 2014 1:28 PM GMT
    Okay honestly, I need to cleanse my head before I go and eat lunch today after seeing some pictures in this thread.

    Anyway, if the partners know and still do it then I guess they're both adults and can make their own decisions. It's their lives. I mean sure, it's something I would like people to think through a bit more than an instant thrill since it's something that'll affect them for the rest of their lives but then again there are a lot of things I would like to people to think through before proceeding to do it, like playing LoL instead of Dota 2 or dedicating their lives to religion.

    But yeah. Those photos. What can I say, one man's treasure is what another man expects to find on a corpse.
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    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
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    David3K saidIt's entertaining to see the 2 resident RJ gift givers get all crazy over this topic and getting MAD at people making actual points.

    By the way MMTA likes to attack me constantly using the fantasy argument that I live in the "Amazon rainforest", apparently he has no idea there is no rainforest or anything similar in Uruguay. He's also unaware Uruguay is a very western country that excels in many things including education.


    There goes Gayvid foaming at the mouth as peccary hoofed beasts typically do when they don't get their way.

    To be clear, Gayvid666K, I farcically lump you together with Amazon rain forest bottom feeders to express how little I respect you. It's meant to be comical and dismissive all in one. I also spread this bullshit about you since you continue to spread libel about me in the forums. You know nothing about my sexual habits because I don't talk about what I do personally. You are making erroneous conclusions about me based on sound medical information that has been provided by HIV specialists whom I happen to (sometimes) agree with. Nothing more.

    But I think Cash nailed it. Your mother's an old maid, your unaware girlfriend who has no idea you send your cock pics to men online is a hooker and I wouldn't be surprised if you were a drug dealer.

    You excel at perversely twisting information around and spreading malarkey. The very least you can do is be a man about it and not get all pussyhurt when you get a taste of your own medicine.



    Gotta love how you constantly talk about other's spreading "libel" and in the same sentence accuse people of having syphilis and calling people drug dealers. Maybe one of your friends who can read will look up the word "libel" for you and explain it to you. Can you be anymore hypocritical? icon_rolleyes.gif



    Oh, ScruffiPuss. Your ongoing antics here on the threads never cease to remind me almost daily of how insufficient you are form the neck up.

    Well, since I can't get either one of you to be honest here on the threads I thought I would fight libel with libel. When did I "accuse" you of having syphilis? All I did was ask if you finally get tested to determine the source of your ongoing hysterics. I even asserted that I "hoped" you didn't have it. Tsk tsk, those comprehension skills of yours continue to go out the window in spades.

    There must be a reason for your behavior on the threads. No healthy person with a sound mind would act the way you do. Having a bacterial infection like neural syphilis would provide a logical explanation. That's all.






    I suppose having AIDS could explain your behavior too. Only difference is I'm free of all diseases and you're not, so it's pretty sad you'd accuse another person of having an STD. Hilarious in fact. But do please running your hypocritical mouth; it's fantastic entertainment for the rest of us. icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 26, 2014 3:45 PM GMT
    David3K saidApparently they're also into something called "STD Breeding"

    WARNING! This is fuckin sick and disgusting, dont open this if you're a sensitive soul, but I post the link so you know the kind of people out there:
    http://tribes.tribe.net/giftgivers/photos/b0b4e3aa-88a5-4d42-9f8d-032bfcf47417

    The world is full of gift givers and STD breeding so take care of yourselves cause no one else will.






    WOW I could not even get it up for these people. Thanks for sharing that. I need to go eat lunch now
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    Nov 26, 2014 7:24 PM GMT
    muscleboundfem said
    timmm55 said
    muscleboundfem said
    Ex_Mil8 said
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    Its very common. The dude is simply not telling his partners about his status. They don't so he doesn't tell. Attitudes like yours actually make the problem worst. I'm sure many guys say the same thing to themselves when they bareback.


    The thread title refers to 'intentionally' spreading HIV. It doesn't say 'ignorantly' or 'accidentally', it says 'intentionally'. I made it clear I was talking about someone intentionally infecting another. Perhaps you could provide some evidence for your assertion that intentionally spreading HIV is 'very common'.


    If you know you have HIV and you do not tell your partner you have HIV you are intentionally putting them at risk. You have also have no hard evidence that a small minority of people with HIV do not disclose that to their partner. Just this week it happened to me. The guy had no intention of using a condom until I demanded one. I found his A4A page and he listed himself as HIV positive. I believe this happens all of the time because very few men have pulled out a condom without me making it clear I only use protection. Their is a lot of bareback sex going on. Chances are a fair share of these people know they are HIV positive. We need to stop acting as if HIV infected people are always responsible. They are not. People like you create a false sense of security that is killing gay men.


    Until you demand condoms? Very few have pulled out a condom? Where are YOUR condoms?

    Yes there is a lot of condomless sex going! 53% don't use them. It's funny how everyone SAYS they treat their hook ups as if they were Positive. But they obviously don't. So would you have been as irate if he said on A4A and he said was Negative? Or Undetectable? Remember that most new HIV cases are from men within a relationship, from people who don't know their status, and SAY THEY ARE NEGATIVE.

    If he says he's POZ on A4A, for everyone to see, why suddenly hide it from you? And like the OP's friend they are both open about it otherwise? Doesn't sound right.

    I'm on A4A too, PM me with his screen name. DO NOT POST IT ON THIS THREAD! I want to get the whole story.




    What the hell is wrong with you people. Its not that hard to understand. He didn't hide anything from me. He didn't answer a question I never asked. I was never upset. I treat every hookup as if they have HIV. Had he not had condoms I would have used mine.


    OK, I reread all your posts on this thread for continuity. So I may have misinterpreted your tone. "We need to stop acting as if HIV infected people are always responsible.They are not.".....on this site it's more like all positive people are irresponsible. Certainly not everyone is honest....on anything!

    For me it's quite different. I only see guys who are POZ/Undetectable, or maybe on PrEP. So the people I meet ARE honest. Very few people would lie about being POZ or on PrEP! So my perspective is 100% different.

    In this era, if I was Negative, I'd be distrustful too. Of everyone. This level of distrust has permeated the Gay community. It's created a chasm between Neg and Poz. At the extreme it's created fools like David who connect "Undetectable" people with "STD givers" without a thread to connect them.

    I agree 100% with: "As long as he is open to his partners about it I don't see a problem. If he is not telling them and going bareback we couldn't be friends."
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    Nov 26, 2014 7:56 PM GMT
    I looked at this thread after I ate, and that was a bad idea. If anything, its good to know what kind of people are out there in this crazy world. I do wonder why HIV + guys are singled out. There are a lot of communicable diseases, but you don't see commercials regarding your herpes status or hepatitis status.
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    Nov 26, 2014 8:02 PM GMT
    I think anyone with HIV or any STI is morally obligated to disclose their status before even safe sex, and without being asked, otherwise the other guy doesn't have informed consent to take the risk, (condoms fail ya know). Sounds like timmm or muchmorethanmuscle might disagree with that, given their narrow focus on barebacking...?
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    Nov 26, 2014 8:26 PM GMT
    hentailover saidI think poz guys are morally obligated to disclose their status before even safe sex, otherwise the other guy doesn't have informed consent to take the risk, (condoms fail ya know). Sounds like u or muchmorethanmuscle disagree with that...


    "u" who? Are you sure MMTM disagrees with that?

    As a moral question I think everyone should be honest and 100% transparent.

    As a legal issue I strongly disagree with HIV Criminalization.

    "People are being imprisoned for decades, and in many cases have to register as sex offenders, as a consequence of exaggerated fears about HIV. Most of these cases involve consensual sex or conduct such as spitting and biting that has only a remote possibility of HIV exposure. For example, a number of states have laws that make it a felony for someone who has had a positive HIV test to spit on or touch another person with blood or saliva. Some examples of recent prosecutions discussed in CHLP's manual include:

    • A man with HIV in Texas is serving thirty-five years for spitting at a police officer;
    • A man with HIV in Iowa, who had an undetectable viral load, received a twenty-five year sentence after a one-time sexual encounter during which he used a condom; his sentence was suspended, but he had to register as a sex-offender and is not allowed unsupervised contact with his nieces, nephews and other young children; (this has been addressed, his record has been expunged. Iowa is now a leading state of HIV Criminalization reform. )
    • A woman with HIV in Georgia received an eight-year sentence for failing to disclose her HIV status, despite the trial testimony of two witnesses that her sexual partner was aware of her HIV positive status;
    • A man with HIV in Michigan was charged under the state's anti-terrorism statute with possession of a "biological weapon" after he allegedly bit his neighbor."

    http://hivlawandpolicy.org/resources/ending-and-defending-against-hiv-criminalization-state-and-federal-laws-and-prosecutions
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    Nov 26, 2014 8:33 PM GMT
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    I suppose having AIDS could explain your behavior too. Only difference is I'm free of all diseases and you're not, so it's pretty sad you'd accuse another person of having an STD. Hilarious in fact. But do please running your hypocritical mouth; it's fantastic entertainment for the rest of us. icon_lol.gif


    You "claim" to have no diseases but I know for a fact you almost never tell the truth. Like I said already, I never accused you of having syphilis. Perhaps reaching your "twilight" years is the reason for whatever form of dementia you must be developing. I would suggest looking into nursing home facilities for 24 hour care.

    Oh, and ScruffiVag, you're not fooling anyone about being entertained as you claim. Just go back and read all of your angry responses directed at me. I had no idea I had so much power over you. You are so reliably good at "reacting."

    Happy Thanksgiving to you even though you'll be spending it alone. icon_lol.gif



    You and your "facts" again. I'm the most honest person you'll never get to meet. You do the same thing to me you do with everyone else who's opinion you dislike.....you gather up everything they've ever said and try to find discrepancies, (which you're terrible at by the way.) And trust me cunt face, you know ZERO about my plans for Thanksgiving but that just proves to everyone here how delusional you are. If I were to suggest you were a pedophile, would I also get to claim that as a "fact?" Once again, me thinks you need to be introduced to a dictionary. Be careful what you post as "facts." Happy Thanksgiving!