Do you have a friend who intentionally spreads HIV?

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    Nov 26, 2014 9:12 PM GMT
    Most of the problem with people's attitude to protecting themselves from STI's comes down to wild claims of HIV no longer perceived as a health issue perhaps more of a punishment or a sign a of low socio-economic status or being a drug addict or another extreme high risk activity. The minimisers and the catastrophisors are both as much to blame. Go ahead Muscleman and your mates I can't wait for your responses

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    If you stick your ass in the air for a total stranger claiming you don't know his HIV status until you supposedly found his profile at a later date online, what does that really say about you?
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    Nov 26, 2014 9:23 PM GMT
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    You and your "facts" again. I'm the most honest person you'll never get to meet. You do the same thing to me you do with everyone else who's opinion you dislike.....you gather up everything they've ever said and try to find discrepancies, (which you're terrible at by the way.) And trust me cunt face, you know ZERO about my plans for Thanksgiving but that just proves to everyone here how delusional you are. If I were to suggest you were a pedophile, would I also get to claim that as a "fact?" Once again, me thinks you need to be introduced to a dictionary. Be careful what you post as "facts." Happy Thanksgiving!


    Sigh, if you're going to be a coward and hide your face just because someone regrettably posted your clock stopping mug on some other site; the least you can do is not comment on other people's physicality. It brings you to an even lower low which I thought wasn't possible anymore.

    I have yet to call you any names in this thread or the past several threads for quite awhile. I'm sorry if you can't maintain control over your emotions. But it's apparent you're rattled by my presence here in the threads.

    And let's be clear on one thing, ScruffiVag. Honesty is not an attribute people, with clear thinking skills, would associate with you. Please don't bother denying it.

    So, have you been a bothersome bore to the RJ administration trying to get me banned from this site like you have with other members? I bet administration doesn't give a rat's ass and complaints by you would be like listening to a broken record that skips. Since you love to rally, manipulate and deceive all while on your soapbox I think you should become a politician. But wait, I think it's already too late. Can a person become a first time politician in her seventies? icon_lol.gif



    Yay! You managed to do it again.....you successfully made a sexist AND an ageist comment in the same sentence once again! And no....I have never reported you for anything. Ever. What on earth would I report you for? Being a cunt? LOL.
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    Nov 26, 2014 9:34 PM GMT
    You can really feel the love in this thread. icon_smile.gif
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    Nov 26, 2014 10:50 PM GMT
    hentailover saidI think anyone with HIV or any STI is morally obligated to disclose their status before even safe sex, and without being asked, otherwise the other guy doesn't have informed consent to take the risk, (condoms fail ya know). Sounds like timmm or muchmorethanmuscle might disagree with that, given their narrow focus on barebacking...?

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    Nov 26, 2014 10:52 PM GMT
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    David3K saidApparently they're also into something called "STD Breeding"

    WARNING! This is fuckin sick and disgusting, dont open this if you're a sensitive soul, but I post the link so you know the kind of people out there:
    http://tribes.tribe.net/giftgivers/photos/b0b4e3aa-88a5-4d42-9f8d-032bfcf47417

    The world is full of gift givers and STD breeding so take care of yourselves cause no one else will.






    WOW I could not even get it up for these people. Thanks for sharing that. I need to go eat lunch now


    bon appetit?
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    Nov 26, 2014 10:54 PM GMT
    It's funny how both RJ gift givers make long ass replies desperatly trying to make a point, but specially attacking the people they disagree with. I suggest you take your meds and calm down.
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    budri7 said
    David3K saidApparently they're also into something called "STD Breeding"

    WARNING! This is fuckin sick and disgusting, dont open this if you're a sensitive soul, but I post the link so you know the kind of people out there:
    http://tribes.tribe.net/giftgivers/photos/b0b4e3aa-88a5-4d42-9f8d-032bfcf47417

    The world is full of gift givers and STD breeding so take care of yourselves cause no one else will.

    WOW I could not even get it up for these people. Thanks for sharing that. I need to go eat lunch now

    Next time before complaining go back to school and learn how to read WARNING messages. No one forced you to click on that link.
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    Nov 27, 2014 1:46 AM GMT
    hentailover saidI think anyone with HIV or any STI is morally obligated to disclose their status before even safe sex, and without being asked, otherwise the other guy doesn't have informed consent to take the risk, (condoms fail ya know). Sounds like timmm or muchmorethanmuscle might disagree with that, given their narrow focus on barebacking...?


    Narrow focus? I'm an advocate for Gay and HIV rights. It has little to do with condomless sex really. It's because of people like you and Art Deco, Scuffy, Sydney, David and others who vilify anyone who is POZ or Undetectable (and can't tell the fucking difference!) That's why we only have a 30% undetectable rate. Australia is 62% and they are new to the protocols.

    This site is full of moralizing, stigmatizing, reactionary knee jerkers. Truly stupid people for the most part, and oddly proud of it it seems.
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    Nov 27, 2014 1:49 AM GMT
    David3K said
    budri7 said
    David3K saidApparently they're also into something called "STD Breeding"

    WARNING! This is fuckin sick and disgusting, dont open this if you're a sensitive soul, but I post the link so you know the kind of people out there:
    http://tribes.tribe.net/giftgivers/photos/b0b4e3aa-88a5-4d42-9f8d-032bfcf47417

    The world is full of gift givers and STD breeding so take care of yourselves cause no one else will.

    WOW I could not even get it up for these people. Thanks for sharing that. I need to go eat lunch now

    Next time before complaining go back to school and learn how to read WARNING messages. No one forced you to click on that link.


    Why post it at all? It has NOTHING to do with HIV. Someone posted a pic, only because of your crass associations.
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    Nov 27, 2014 1:51 AM GMT
    hentailover saidIt's about informed consent. Sure, I'm gonna put a condom on regardless of what you say your status is, and am willing to date someone who is poz anyway, but if you are poz and didn't tell me just because I didn't ask, that's a problem.


    hentailover saidI think anyone with HIV or any STI is morally obligated to disclose their status before even safe sex, and without being asked, otherwise the other guy doesn't have informed consent to take the risk, (condoms fail ya know). Sounds like timmm or muchmorethanmuscle might disagree with that, given their narrow focus on barebacking...?


    Are the people who actually disagree with this??
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    Nov 27, 2014 1:52 AM GMT
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    David3K saidIt's entertaining to see the 2 resident RJ gift givers get all crazy over this topic and getting MAD at people making actual points.

    By the way MMTA likes to attack me constantly using the fantasy argument that I live in the "Amazon rainforest", apparently he has no idea there is no rainforest or anything similar in Uruguay. He's also unaware Uruguay is a very western country that excels in many things including education.

    What's so funny about this? My reasons to detest MMTA and his sick ways are true and can be read in any of his many posts, while his attacks to me are based in some childish fantasy he created in his mind. It's like I based my replies to him on making fun on his hair, lol.


    Good point

    Uruguay is known for it's....

    Well it certainly made a difference in...

    Oh and then there is the art...sceene...that is..uruguay..

    You mostly supply Maids and discount Hookers




    Maids and discount hookers? Funny, because Uruguayans don't even require a visa to enter USA! Do you know why? Because people from here are not interested in going to work there, let alone as maids.

    I don't know about YOUR country, but in mine gays can get married, adopt and have full gay laws. We don't have crazy conservative christians, actually 40% of the population are atheists or agnostics and religion is separated from schools and the government.
    We have a president that is nominated for the Nobel and actually deserves it. And yeah, we also became the first country in the world to fully legalize marihuana and sell it freely.
    Did I mention we don't have any natural disasters and that I live at walking distance of a beautiful beach?

    So please, next time you talk about Uruguay inform yourself or keep looking like an ignorant fool. icon_wink.gif

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay



    The final requirement for the applying country is to begin purchasing biometric passports, and the Uruguayan government issued a corresponding call for bids three weeks ago.

    Currently, Chile is the only Latin American country whose citizens are not required a visa to enter the United States for up to 90 days for tourism or business.
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    Nov 27, 2014 2:47 AM GMT
    theonewhoknocks said
    hentailover saidIt's about informed consent. Sure, I'm gonna put a condom on regardless of what you say your status is, and am willing to date someone who is poz anyway, but if you are poz and didn't tell me just because I didn't ask, that's a problem.


    hentailover saidI think anyone with HIV or any STI is morally obligated to disclose their status before even safe sex, and without being asked, otherwise the other guy doesn't have informed consent to take the risk, (condoms fail ya know). Sounds like timmm or muchmorethanmuscle might disagree with that, given their narrow focus on barebacking...?


    Are the people who actually disagree with this??


    Yes,No. As I said:"As a moral question I think everyone should be honest and 100% transparent.

    As a legal issue I strongly disagree with HIV Criminalization."

    I disagree on 2 points specifically: 1) I have a narrow focus 2) That as a POZ person I am automatically on a "bareback" agenda.
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    Nov 27, 2014 3:00 AM GMT
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    hentailover saidIt's about informed consent. Sure, I'm gonna put a condom on regardless of what you say your status is, and am willing to date someone who is poz anyway, but if you are poz and didn't tell me just because I didn't ask, that's a problem.


    hentailover saidI think anyone with HIV or any STI is morally obligated to disclose their status before even safe sex, and without being asked, otherwise the other guy doesn't have informed consent to take the risk, (condoms fail ya know). Sounds like timmm or muchmorethanmuscle might disagree with that, given their narrow focus on barebacking...?


    Are the people who actually disagree with this??


    Yes,No. As I said:"As a moral question I think everyone should be honest and 100% transparent.

    As a legal issue I strongly disagree with HIV Criminalization."

    I disagree on 2 points specifically: 1) I have a narrow focus 2) That as a POZ person I am automatically on a "bareback" agenda.


    I didn't mean a "bareback agenda", but was referring to "..If he is not telling them and going bareback [then it's wrong]" part. Just trying to make it clear that everyone MUST disclose, even for safe sex, and even if no one asked. I've seen enough HIV-related threads where the "victim" gets blamed for not asking.
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    Nov 27, 2014 3:38 AM GMT
    timmm55 said
    theonewhoknocks said
    hentailover saidIt's about informed consent. Sure, I'm gonna put a condom on regardless of what you say your status is, and am willing to date someone who is poz anyway, but if you are poz and didn't tell me just because I didn't ask, that's a problem.


    hentailover saidI think anyone with HIV or any STI is morally obligated to disclose their status before even safe sex, and without being asked, otherwise the other guy doesn't have informed consent to take the risk, (condoms fail ya know). Sounds like timmm or muchmorethanmuscle might disagree with that, given their narrow focus on barebacking...?


    Are the people who actually disagree with this??


    Yes,No. As I said:"As a moral question I think everyone should be honest and 100% transparent.

    As a legal issue I strongly disagree with HIV Criminalization."

    I disagree on 2 points specifically: 1) I have a narrow focus 2) That as a POZ person I am automatically on a "bareback" agenda.


    So you are taking this personally. No one is claiming HIV positive people are on a bareback agenda. Some HIV positive people do not disclose their status to their sexual partners and bareback with those partners. That is it. Don't blow it up into something it was never about.
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    Nov 27, 2014 4:16 AM GMT
    timmm55 said
    hentailover saidI think anyone with HIV or any STI is morally obligated to disclose their status before even safe sex, and without being asked, otherwise the other guy doesn't have informed consent to take the risk, (condoms fail ya know). Sounds like timmm or muchmorethanmuscle might disagree with that, given their narrow focus on barebacking...?


    Narrow focus? I'm an advocate for Gay and HIV rights. It has little to do with condomless sex really. It's because of people like you and Art Deco, Scuffy, Sydney, David and others who vilify anyone who is POZ or Undetectable (and can't tell the fucking difference!) That's why we only have a 30% undetectable rate. Australia is 62% and they are new to the protocols.

    This site is full of moralizing, stigmatizing, reactionary knee jerkers. Truly stupid people for the most part, and oddly proud of it it seems.


    WRONG!
    1 - we don't vilify "just anyone who is poz", only the ones that advocate unhealthy practices like you. You have expressed that many times in your posts. There are other RJ posters, also HIV+ (Gamerican comes to mind) who are nothing like you; they advocate protection and the use of condoms. They try to help people not to make their same mistakes and they earned all my respect. Basically I wish there were more like them and less like you.

    2 - Don't try to confuse people with your shit. You have a selfish and very clear motivation in everything you say. You're toxic.

    Get it into your mind that undetectable people are also HIV+. One is part of the other, even though you hate that fact. Undetectable viral load is still risky. Let alone that someone who is undetectable one day might become detectable the other. And more importantly; people should never trust in the apparent status of their hookups. Believing someone saying "im undetectable" is as stupid as believing someone saying "I'm neg" - you don't know that - sometimes they don't know that or could be liying. Just like this guy here said "treat all your sex partners as if they were poz and take care of yourself".
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    Nov 27, 2014 4:50 AM GMT
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    David3K saidIt's entertaining to see the 2 resident RJ gift givers get all crazy over this topic and getting MAD at people making actual points.

    By the way MMTA likes to attack me constantly using the fantasy argument that I live in the "Amazon rainforest", apparently he has no idea there is no rainforest or anything similar in Uruguay. He's also unaware Uruguay is a very western country that excels in many things including education.

    What's so funny about this? My reasons to detest MMTA and his sick ways are true and can be read in any of his many posts, while his attacks to me are based in some childish fantasy he created in his mind. It's like I based my replies to him on making fun on his hair, lol.


    Good point

    Uruguay is known for it's....

    Well it certainly made a difference in...

    Oh and then there is the art...sceene...that is..uruguay..

    You mostly supply Maids and discount Hookers




    Maids and discount hookers? Funny, because Uruguayans don't even require a visa to enter USA! Do you know why? Because people from here are not interested in going to work there, let alone as maids.

    I don't know about YOUR country, but in mine gays can get married, adopt and have full gay laws. We don't have crazy conservative christians, actually 40% of the population are atheists or agnostics and religion is separated from schools and the government.
    We have a president that is nominated for the Nobel and actually deserves it. And yeah, we also became the first country in the world to fully legalize marihuana and sell it freely.
    Did I mention we don't have any natural disasters and that I live at walking distance of a beautiful beach?

    So please, next time you talk about Uruguay inform yourself or keep looking like an ignorant fool. icon_wink.gif

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay

    The final requirement for the applying country is to begin purchasing biometric passports, and the Uruguayan government issued a corresponding call for bids three weeks ago.

    Currently, Chile is the only Latin American country whose citizens are not required a visa to enter the United States for up to 90 days for tourism or business.



    I heard about the visa situation so I Googled it and found this:
    http://panampost.com/panam-staff/2014/05/19/uruguayans-no-longer-require-visa-to-enter-united-states/

    "Uruguayans No Longer Require Visa to Enter United States" is the title of that (!), and to be honest I didn't read it. Now or in a few months, it doesn't make much of a difference though. It will happen soon and that alone already makes you look like an idiot assuming Uruguay acts like other countries desperate to go to USA to work (and as maids). Nope, not here. As I said before people in Uruguay are used to freedom, why would they go to somewhere to get oppressed by the media, politics, etc? Specially if you're gay.
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    Nov 27, 2014 8:34 AM GMT
    Force saidI recently learned that a friend of mine that I have had for over three years does not use protection with all of his partners. He is open about his HIV status and I know he takes medication. He is a very bitter person, which is the main reason I never liked him in a romantic way, and he has this whole "well no one told me" bullshit outlook on the situation.

    IF you found out a friend of yours does this would you address them about it. I just left it alone with no real response or judgements.


    What a bastard.
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    Nov 27, 2014 2:16 PM GMT
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    hentailover saidI think anyone with HIV or any STI is morally obligated to disclose their status before even safe sex, and without being asked, otherwise the other guy doesn't have informed consent to take the risk, (condoms fail ya know). Sounds like timmm or muchmorethanmuscle might disagree with that, given their narrow focus on barebacking...?


    Don't bring me into a conversation under some light felt assumption that I am in disagreement on a polemical concern. My sex life is no one's business here. But for the record, when I hooked up with people my HIV status was always made clear. I've been in a monogamous relationship for nearly a year and my current boyfriend was well informed of my HIV status before we even met in person (we met from a Smartphone app initially).

    I actually seek out sex partners who are HIV+, are on meds and undetectable. I don't just fuck anyone. The idiots here making slanderous accusations about me don't even know what a gift giver is. And trust me, you must have no idea how many HIV- men will still want to have sex with someone like me even after I tell them of my positive status. And 98% of these boys are bareback bottoms.



    It's odd how so many people here have the impression you advocate bareback sex even though you say you don't. Where on earth do they get that impression? And yet you continue to put your foot in your mouth and say the opposite. And now you're saying you fuck these "bareback HIV- bottoms", or are we to believe you turn them down and send them home? icon_rolleyes.gif It's also curious how you refer to your sex partners as "boys." I don't know of any legal aged man who refers to himself as a "boy." But if you like young boys, this would certainly explain your non-stop ageist comments. It seems everything out of your mouth sheds an unintended light on your true character.....or a lie, and that's a fact.
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    Nov 27, 2014 2:59 PM GMT
    ^ In case there was any doubt that MMTA advocates bareback sex icon_rolleyes.gif And then he has the guts to say the link about gift givers had nothing to do with this topic. Whenever he posts that link is spot on.
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    Nov 27, 2014 8:00 PM GMT
    David3K said^ In case there was any doubt that MMTA advocates bareback sex icon_rolleyes.gif And then he has the guts to say the link about gift givers had nothing to do with this topic. Whenever he posts that link is spot on.


    Are you really trying to say that a person who is medically UNDETECTABLE is anyway connected to STD OR HIV "gift givers"?

    1)In medical terms please explain how an Undetectable person can transmit condomless HIV and the likelihood of that happening. (Take into account the Partner's Study says probably "Zero" chance and the CDC says 97% protected.)

    2) Explain how STD "gift giving" is anyway associated with HIV undetectable. You have not established a connection. (Hint: there isn't one.)

    Other to minimize and stigmatize MMTM's and my comments there is no purpose to your disgusting link.

    That makes you a disgusting person.
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    Nov 27, 2014 8:09 PM GMT
    Force saidI recently learned that a friend of mine that I have had for over three years does not use protection with all of his partners. He is open about his HIV status and I know he takes medication. He is a very bitter person, which is the main reason I never liked him in a romantic way, and he has this whole "well no one told me" bullshit outlook on the situation.

    IF you found out a friend of yours does this would you address them about it. I just left it alone with no real response or judgements.


    This this a young black scenario? I noticed Muscleboundfem (who is also young and black) agreed that this has happened to him also, and says it's common. I don't see it as common in the older white (or Black/Hispanic) group I am in.

    http://www.scpr.org/news/2014/11/26/48297/young-black-gay-and-living-with-hiv-but-not-on-tre/

    Young black men have the highest rates of new HIV in the country.
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    Nov 27, 2014 8:36 PM GMT
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    Force saidI recently learned that a friend of mine that I have had for over three years does not use protection with all of his partners. He is open about his HIV status and I know he takes medication.









    ( He is a very bitter person, which is the main reason I never liked him in a romantic way, and he has this whole "well no one told me" bullshit outlook on the situation.(This opinion not a fact).

    IF you found out a friend of yours does this would you address them about it. I just left it alone with no real response or judgements.


    What a bastard.


    Is he? In green it says he is on meds (undetectable?), he is open about his HIV status and doesn't use protection with all his partners. That implies he does use "protection" (which I assume he means condoms) with SOME of his partners.

    The rest is conjecture and immaterial.

    If he is Undetectable, like PrEP, it is considered "protection" alone or in combination with condoms.

    There are now at least five strategies that reasonably constitute ‘safe sex', provided that certain parameters are met. Theyare:
    1.
    The use of Condoms during casual encounters between men of unknown or discordant serostatus.
    2.
    HIV negative men taking effective pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP)
    .
    3.
    Men living with HIV who only have sex without condoms when they have a sustained undetectable viral load (UVL) and in the absence
    of sexually transmissible infections (STIs).

    4.
    Effective use of serosorting between HIV positive men.
    5.
    Effective negotiated safety agreements

    http://www.acon.org.au/sites/default/files/What-is-Safe-Sex-Position-2014.pdf


    In fact, the title "Do you have a friend who intentionally spreads HIV?" is totally misleading. Is the OP assuming Undetectable is causing the spread of HIV? We don't know if he is spreading HIV even if he is NOT undetectable, since he is "open about his status" and uses "protection" with "some" of his partners. He may be sero-sorting with other POZ guys and not using protection. He may get an STD but he's not spreading HIV. He may be using protection with the Negative guys he's "open" with.

    I don't see how he is a bastard at all, he's open about his status, he using protection when appropriate. He's on his Meds. If he isn't Undetectable yet, that should be his goal.
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    Nov 27, 2014 9:12 PM GMT
    I love how people leave these misleading SHITBOMBS, never come back to clarify.....yet people like David thrive on this crap. Only to create another shit stirring stew.

    Congrat!
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    Nov 27, 2014 9:18 PM GMT
    David3K said^ In case there was any doubt that MMTA advocates bareback sex icon_rolleyes.gif

    (even if he does........)


    And then he has the guts to say the link about gift givers had nothing to do with this topic. Whenever he posts that link is spot on.


    ("nothing to do with this topic" is absolutely TRUE)
    You have yet to make a connection.
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    Nov 27, 2014 9:47 PM GMT
    timmm55 saidI love how people leave these misleading SHITBOMBS, never come back to clarify.....yet people like David thrive on this crap. Only to create another shit stirring stew.


    Yes, these sort of threads do seem to follow a familiar pattern: Stooge (usually with minimal posting history) makes elaborate claim regarding outrageous sexual conduct of a 'friend'. Usual suspects (or their latest sock puppets) weigh-in with dubious sexual anecdotes and complain about what dreadful human beings gay men generally are.