Do you have a friend who intentionally spreads HIV?

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    Nov 28, 2014 6:41 PM GMT
    See this is where I'm conflicted.

    While the thought of someone intentionally spreading a disease like this is unfathomable and just plain fucked up, you did say he's open about his status and he's on medication.

    To me, that means he's telling people that he has HIV and they're still fucking him anyway. I don't feel sorry for them if they're aware and fuck him anyway unprotected. That's what you call a PLC (poor life choice).

    It would be a completely different story if he didn't say anything. Then the word "intentional" would seem more appropriate and factual. His actions would be considered criminal. In this case though, it's not since he's open about his status.

    As for the friend thing.....no. We wouldn't be friends and I'd turn him in IF he were not disclosing vital info.
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    Nov 28, 2014 6:52 PM GMT
    I have this advice to give to the good people who make up the majority of gay men.
    This is True and often used by the BB lobby
    1. HIV is a treatable disease however it is not curable
    2. With proper precautions and treatment seroconcordent partn[/u]ers[/b] are not at a significant risk
    3. Treatment of HIV is now more effective and less taxing on the body than ever before and PlHIV can have a very healthy long life
    4. PLHIV with strict adherence to proper treatment and a healthy lifestyle are unlikely to transmit HIV to their Serconcordent sexual partners which is commonly know as an undetectable status

    However they always leave out the rest of the facts as they provide proper context to the outrageous interpretations some people who post on here

    5. Having an u detectable status is not a permenant remission of HIV and while PLHIV can miss the odd dose and still not place you at risk, human beings are often complacent and prone to exajuration about their proper adherence to treating HIV
    6.since the Swiss Statement effectively sent a message to Gay men thst HIV is no longer something to be concerned about and has led to a 1st gradual then experiential mainstream acceptance of BB sex
    7. PRep and the "myth" of a permanent undetectable status and a belief in a cure for HIV is very close to reality has seen an expediental increase in unsafe sex
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    Nov 28, 2014 8:59 PM GMT
    muscleboundfem said
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    hentailover saidIt's about informed consent. Sure, I'm gonna put a condom on regardless of what you say your status is, and am willing to date someone who is poz anyway, but if you are poz and didn't tell me just because I didn't ask, that's a problem.


    hentailover saidI think anyone with HIV or any STI is morally obligated to disclose their status before even safe sex, and without being asked, otherwise the other guy doesn't have informed consent to take the risk, (condoms fail ya know). Sounds like timmm or muchmorethanmuscle might disagree with that, given their narrow focus on barebacking...?


    Are the people who actually disagree with this??


    Yes,No. As I said:"As a moral question I think everyone should be honest and 100% transparent.

    As a legal issue I strongly disagree with HIV Criminalization."

    I disagree on 2 points specifically: 1) I have a narrow focus 2) That as a POZ person I am automatically on a "bareback" agenda.


    So you are taking this personally. No one is claiming HIV positive people are on a bareback agenda. Some HIV positive people do not disclose their status to their sexual partners and bareback with those partners. That is it. Don't blow it up into something it was never about.


    You must be new here. You seem logical and intelligent. David, Art Deco, Sydney and Scruffy have intermittently said MMTM and I have a BB Agenda, we are toxic, must be stopped, are dangerous....and much worse.

    A long time ago I posted some (to me) innocuous Undetectable finding......Scientific Studies. I was called out, insulted, vilified.

    As long as an HIV person says "just use condoms" we are left alone. If you promote AHF and 90s HIV advice your OK here.

    BUT!
    Art_Deco said

    "So all this BS about sex being safe with an undetectable poz guy is just medical talk dealing with controlled conditions. That has no application, bearing or relevance to the real world situations in which you & I actually operate. And such basic medical research shouldn't be misinterpreted to be providing guidance as to how gay men should behave sexually with each other."

    To them science is bunk, and any HIV POZ person's credibility is suspect from day 1.
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    Nov 28, 2014 11:57 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Guy101 said

    While the thought of someone intentionally spreading a disease like this is unfathomable and just plain fucked up, you did say he's open about his status and he's on medication.



    ^

    You pretty much nailed it. So many people here want to demonize the person with HIV while the HIV- partner in this scenario gets a free pass. No lying took place.


    I mean I'm soley going off of the OP's words and he said his friend is on meds and is open about his status. That's actually pretty damn responsible if you ask me. He's informing his partners of his status and giving them the option of sleeping with him with that knowledge. It really doesn't get any better then that. Honesty upfront. You can't fault that.

    This is how I see it going down.

    Friend: "I like you. Let's fuck".
    Random person: "Ok. Sounds hot".
    Friend: "By the way, I'm HIV+, I'm on my meds and I don't use condoms. Is that an issue?"
    Random person: "Thanks for telling me. Doesn't bother me at all. Let's do this".

    That's a rather crude scenario/interpretation but you get the gist.

    Your friend isn't the monster here. I have to agree with Muchmore. Why does the partner get a free pass from being called out? At least your friend is being responsible in the sense that he's informing his partners. Can't guarantee his partners are so forthcoming after the fling when they bang someone else though.
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    Nov 29, 2014 1:22 AM GMT
    I understand his bitterness, but you could talk to him as a friend and show some compassion (if you'd like), and suggest he go to get some sort of counseling.

    I mean I don't know if anyone if the repliers are HIV+ (I did not read all of them?), I am not but I work in healthcare, and dealt with HIV patients of all sexualities.

    The stories can be quiet horrible, he told you no one told me - why should he?. This response is a very common response to anyone who suffered injustice and does not only not get support for it, he is socially stigmatized and blamed for it in a way or the other 'bringing it on' to him self.

    Wither he has family support or not significantly impacts his decision too.

    I glimpsed a few responses about how if he is 'willingly admitting to have it to his partners' somehow justify it, which is unfortunately a horrible way to practice sexuality, to willingly bring down your own health? to the extent it has its own lingo. This is like sayings a drug dealer is at no fault if his customers are 'dumb enough'.

    I do understand this is probably uncomfortable for you to tackle, so I wouldn't think you should burden your self, but definitely give him a hint that what he is doing is unfair, and that he is making a choice to hurt innocent people because he was hurt himself..does that make it right, does that make everything ok?..and suggest counseling.

    Good luck icon_sad.gif.
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    Nov 29, 2014 2:38 AM GMT
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 saidI have this advice to give to the good people who make up the majority of gay men.
    This is True and often used by the BB lobby
    1. HIV is a treatable disease however it is not curable
    2. With proper precautions and treatment seroconcordent partn[/u]ers[/b] are not at a significant risk
    3. Treatment of HIV is now more effective and less taxing on the body than ever before and PlHIV can have a very healthy long life
    4. PLHIV with strict adherence to proper treatment and a healthy lifestyle are unlikely to transmit HIV to their Serconcordent sexual partners which is commonly know as an undetectable status

    However they always leave out the rest of the facts as they provide proper context to the outrageous interpretations some people who post on here

    5. Having an u detectable status is not a permenant remission of HIV and while PLHIV can miss the odd dose and still not place you at risk, human beings are often complacent and prone to exajuration about their proper adherence to treating HIV
    6.since the Swiss Statement effectively sent a message to Gay men thst HIV is no longer something to be concerned about and has led to a 1st gradual then experiential mainstream acceptance of BB sex
    7. PRep and the "myth" of a permanent undetectable status and a belief in a cure for HIV is very close to reality has seen an expediental increase in unsafe sex


    Thank shitheads like MMTA and Timmmm for that.
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    Nov 29, 2014 6:35 AM GMT
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    Sydneyrugbyjock73 saidI have this advice to give to the good people who make up the majority of gay men.

    6.since the Swiss Statement effectively sent a message to Gay men thst HIV is no longer something to be concerned about and has led to a 1st gradual then experiential mainstream acceptance of BB sex
    7. PRep and the "myth" of a permanent undetectable status and a belief in a cure for HIV is very close to reality has seen an expediental increase in unsafe sex


    Thank shitheads like MMTA and Timmmm for that.


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    Sadly You get it and most others get it. As for the The "Bareback Lobby" lobby forget that there are other educated persons who realise that the English language allows for re-wording a sentence in such a manner that it has effectively become an Antonym to the original sentence meaning. This type of exploitation of the ignorance of some is common and as long as it is challenged it will never gain the traction that it is needed for that agenda to become accepted by the majority
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    Nov 29, 2014 6:51 AM GMT
    In this post I show Timm55 how taking things out of context can change the meaning of what has been said. As you all can see there is some factual (un-edited transcript text) but the of ommision of some of the information makes a glaringly obvious change to the meaning of his reply.

    timmm55 said
    muscleboundfem said
    timmm55 said
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    hentailover saidIt's about informed consent. Sure, I'm gonna put a condom on regardless of what you say your status is, and am willing to date someone who is poz anyway, but if you are poz and didn't tell me just because I didn't ask, that's a problem.


    hentailover saidI think anyone with HIV or any STI is morally obligated to disclose their status before even safe sex, and without being asked, otherwise the other guy doesn't have informed consent to take the risk, (condoms fail ya know). Sounds like timmm or muchmorethanmuscle might disagree with that, given their narrow focus on barebacking...?


    Are the people who actually disagree with this??


    Yes,No. As I said:"As a moral question I think everyone should be honest and 100% transparent.

    As a legal issue I strongly disagree with HIV Criminalization."

    I have as a POZ person automatically a "bareback" agenda.

    So you are taking this personally. No one is claiming HIV positive people are on a bareback agenda. Some HIV positive people do not disclose their status to their sexual partners and bareback with those partners. That is it. Don't blow it up into something it was never about.


    And such basic medical research shouldn't be misinterpreted to be providing guidance as to how gay men should behave sexually with each other."

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    Nov 29, 2014 6:56 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Guy101 said

    While the thought of someone intentionally spreading a disease like this is unfathomable and just plain fucked up, you did say he's open about his status and he's on medication.



    ^

    You pretty much nailed it. So many people here want to demonize the person with HIV while the HIV- partner in this scenario gets a free pass. No lying took place.


    Manipulation of facts is such a skill and it's what you surely must mean by your profile tittle. How about taking responsibility 4 your partner. I am still yet to see a valid reason your BB agenda should be decriminalised.

    On the other hand there is plenty of BB going on in the local penitentiary with the other sex offenders.

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    Nov 29, 2014 9:14 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 said
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Guy101 said

    While the thought of someone intentionally spreading a disease like this is unfathomable and just plain fucked up, you did say he's open about his status and he's on medication.



    ^You pretty much nailed it. So many people here want to demonize the person with HIV while the HIV- partner in this scenario gets a free pass. No lying took place.


    Manipulation of facts is such a skill and it's what you surely must mean by your profile tittle. How about taking responsibility 4 your partner. I am still yet to see a valid reason your BB agenda should be decriminalised.

    On the other hand there is plenty of BB going on in the local penitentiary with the other sex offenders.



    The personal attacks are getting old. Once again, the OP stated that this person was open about his HIV status.

    How ironic that you mention the "manipulation of facts" as you are exquisite at doing just that.


    The OP didn't actually say the people who he slept with where informed about his status so you manipulated the facts to suit you. Again I see peope
    using their Stigmata claiming to be a victim when it's clear that the so called persecution is little more than people's care for there own health and placing that above the the rights of HIV positive people who in many cases are recieving public funding and private donations for treatment yet despite this apparently its all up to the poor suckers who hand over their hard earned money to allow people to continue their cycle of unhealthy sexual ethics. If this is not addressed soon the real consequences throughout the community will engulf your stigmata claims for PLHIV being victims


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    Nov 29, 2014 10:03 AM GMT
    Bonaparts said
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said^

    True, no one lives forever.


    I kinda wanted a different reaction


    Someone slipped him some an anti-depressant I suspect as he isn't reacting at all
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    Nov 29, 2014 1:38 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 said
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Guy101 said

    While the thought of someone intentionally spreading a disease like this is unfathomable and just plain fucked up, you did say he's open about his status and he's on medication.



    ^

    You pretty much nailed it. So many people here want to demonize the person with HIV while the HIV- partner in this scenario gets a free pass. No lying took place.


    Manipulation of facts is such a skill and it's what you surely must mean by your profile tittle. How about taking responsibility 4 your partner. I am still yet to see a valid reason your BB agenda should be decriminalised.

    On the other hand there is plenty of BB going on in the local penitentiary with the other sex offenders.



    The personal attacks are getting old. Once again, the OP stated that this person was open about his HIV status.

    How ironic that you mention the "manipulation of facts" as you are exquisite at doing just that.



    LOL. It makes me laugh out loud when MucusMary accuses someone else of "personal attacks." And we really are going to have to chip in and buy you a dictionary if you're to remain on these forums because obviously you haven't the foggiest idea what "ironic" means. Either that or you're the world's biggest hypocrite. Oh wait..... icon_lol.gif


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    Nov 29, 2014 9:55 PM GMT
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 saidIn this post I show Timm55 how taking things out of context can change the meaning of what has been said. As you all can see there is some factual (un-edited transcript text) but the of ommision of some of the information makes a glaringly obvious change to the meaning of his reply.


    And this means what? You didn't even show the original comment.

    If I quote it's the TITLE and a body of the paragraph I am highlighting.....THEN I provide a link to the article.

    Like this:
    There are now at least five strategies that reasonably constitute ‘safe sex', provided that certain parameters are met.

    They are:
    1.
    The use of Condoms during casual encounters between men of unknown or discordant serostatus.
    2.
    HIV negative men taking effective pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP).
    3.
    Men living with HIV who only have sex without condoms when they have a sustained undetectable viral load (UVL) and in the absence
    of sexually transmissible infections (STIs).
    4.
    Effective use of serosorting between HIV positive men.
    5.
    Effective negotiated safety agreements

    http://www.acon.org.au/sites/default/files/What-is-Safe-Sex-Position-2014.pdf


    Nothing was omitted. Your exercise only shows your willingness to manipulate actual words AND meanings. Your "sleaze factor" should be noted, and taken into consideration for anything else you "quote"....I will be checking!

    If you think I needed to include other quotes from the article you are welcome to quote it, in context not like what you did above.

    Nor have you shown that what I posted is out of context (it wasn't).

    Oh, and thank you! You provided the ACON link earlier, in a misquote. It said exactly the opposite of what you said it was. Brilliant!

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    Nov 29, 2014 10:08 PM GMT
    Sydney it is NOT (un-edited transcript text.

    If you break up a sentence, only using part, where punctuation is used (noticed the commas and also the CAPS on the first word of the sentence), you are editing the sentence.

    I wrote:
    "I disagree on 2 points specifically: 1) I have a narrow focus 2) That as a POZ person I am automatically on a "bareback" agenda."

    You managed to hack it into (bad editing!)I have as a POZ person automatically a "bareback" agenda.

    Un-edited???

    Please! A liar yet again! A skanky one at that. Even worse, you made it look like I can't form a sentence....like you repeatedly demonstrate.
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    Nov 29, 2014 11:15 PM GMT
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 said
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 said
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Guy101 said

    While the thought of someone intentionally spreading a disease like this is unfathomable and just plain fucked up, you did say he's open about his status and he's on medication.



    ^You pretty much nailed it. So many people here want to demonize the person with HIV while the HIV- partner in this scenario gets a free pass. No lying took place.


    Manipulation of facts is such a skill and it's what you surely must mean by your profile tittle. How about taking responsibility 4 your partner. I am still yet to see a valid reason your BB agenda should be decriminalised.

    On the other hand there is plenty of BB going on in the local penitentiary with the other sex offenders.



    The personal attacks are getting old. Once again, the OP stated that this person was open about his HIV status.

    How ironic that you mention the "manipulation of facts" as you are exquisite at doing just that.


    The OP didn't actually say the people who he slept with where informed about his status so you manipulated the facts to suit you. Again I see peope (people, spell check please) using their Stigmata claiming to be a victim when it's clear that the so called persecution is little more than people's care for there own health and placing that above the the rights of HIV positive people who in many cases are recieving public funding and private donations for treatment yet despite this apparently its all up to the poor suckers who hand over their hard earned money to allow people to continue their cycle of unhealthy sexual ethics. (horrible run-on sentence! As usual.) If this is not addressed soon the real consequences throughout the community will engulf your stigmata claims for PLHIV being victims (huh?)




    Jesus, what an idiot!

    First of all stigmata means: (btw ":" means "the following")

    "Stigmata (singular stigma) is a term used by members of the Christian faith to describe body marks, sores, or sensations of pain in locations corresponding to the crucifixion wounds of Jesus Christ, such as the hands, wrists, and feet."

    "....it's clear that the so called persecution is little more than people's care for there own health and placing that above the the rights of HIV positive people....." Is that your intended sentence?

    If it is, I agree that is true. Negative people's stigma is based on a care for there own health and placing that above the the rights of HIV positive people.

    Everyone needs to be their best own advocate. Certainly when it comes to health care. POZ or NEG it shouldn't intrude on my care, or yours. If it does intrude that's where it becomes unhealthy.

    Is recreational sex "unhealthy sexual ethics"? If so then ALL gay sex is. None of our sex is for procreative purposes. Or is it your arbitrary definition?

    Your economic rambling makes no sense. What about Ebola, Polio, the Flu, Cancer? We treat people with STDs. Why? Because as a society we take care of our ill. It costs money, billions. But the cost of AIDS deaths to society is estimated to be in the billions and trillions. If you are implying we shouldn't take care of people with HIV/AIDS or we make stipulations on, or if, the people are worthy of care, THAT is the worst kind of STIGMA I have ever heard of.

    That is not science and it sure as hell isn't medicine (other than practiced in WWII Germany). But you don't acknowledge current science/medicine either. That's what stigma does: it makes people deaf, unyielding, not listening to people who know more than you because they are one of "them".


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    Nov 29, 2014 11:38 PM GMT
    'Friend' Nice to have that kind of friends.
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    Nov 30, 2014 12:55 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Scruffypup said
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 said
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Guy101 said

    While the thought of someone intentionally spreading a disease like this is unfathomable and just plain fucked up, you did say he's open about his status and he's on medication.



    ^

    You pretty much nailed it. So many people here want to demonize the person with HIV while the HIV- partner in this scenario gets a free pass. No lying took place.


    Manipulation of facts is such a skill and it's what you surely must mean by your profile tittle. How about taking responsibility 4 your partner. I am still yet to see a valid reason your BB agenda should be decriminalised.

    On the other hand there is plenty of BB going on in the local penitentiary with the other sex offenders.



    The personal attacks are getting old. Once again, the OP stated that this person was open about his HIV status.

    How ironic that you mention the "manipulation of facts" as you are exquisite at doing just that.



    LOL. It makes me laugh out loud when MucusMary accuses someone else of "personal attacks." And we really are going to have to chip in and buy you a dictionary if you're to remain on these forums because obviously you haven't the foggiest idea what "ironic" means. Either that or you're the world's biggest hypocrite. Oh wait..... icon_lol.gif




    My grasp of the English language far exceeds yours. Thankfully I'm not inbred white trash from the farm. Attacking you doesn't count. You're not important. You're like the gum on the bottom of my shoe I scrape off with a twig and fling toward the nearest curbside gutter.

    I saw that wretched post of someone posting your pics. Regrettably I can't erase what I saw. I was reminded of that heinous clock stopping mug. All you needed was a beer bottle in one hand and a corncob pipe dangling from your lips. The backwards baseball cap and greasy shirt were already perfectly in place to convey the Appalachian inbred garbage the American south is well known for.

    And more bitterness is coming from this sicko mouth. Always using stereotypes, showing his low level of intelligence. I guess he would love some stereotypes to be applied on him given he's an easy target.
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    Nov 30, 2014 2:13 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
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    And more bitterness is coming from this sicko mouth. Always using stereotypes, showing his low level of intelligence. I guess he would love some stereotypes to be applied on him given he's an easy target.


    Rescuing your great great bald grandmother again? You're such a good boy!

    Let's face it, Gayvid. The only reason you publicly say that your great grandmother is hot is because of your allegiance toward one another.

    You two were cut from the same cloth. It's nauseating how you two spread libel and intentionally distort what I and others say on topics you disagree with. So I will admit I have stooped to the low level both of you are so good at by flinging your excrement back in your face with outlandish libel. The only difference is, I have the balls to admit it.

    Enjoy your closet life as you hide behind a cartoon soccer ball. It must be miserable wanting to connect with other gay men yet unable to do so. At least you have this website and its forums.

    No, I publicly say Scruffy is hot because he is and many people in this forum agree with me.
    You are a very sad person. By the way you know shit about me, you don't know if Im in the closet or not yet keep repeating the same fantasy over and over, like how you did with Uruguay. Remember all these attacks from you is like me making fun of your hair (nonsense). Sick loser.
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    @David,

    HIV causes something called "wasting syndrome" in it's victims and some people use steroids in an attempt to counteract it. The down side is this combination often has interactions which can lead to physical as well as emotional consequences. Some such emotional manifestations of steroids can be anger, rage (and apparently) intense bitterness and hypocrisy.

    It's becoming increasingly apparently that there are other members here other than Copernious who might be mentally unstable as well, and therefore need to be left alone so that they might seek proper help. The delusional rantings we're seeing here are no different than when Copernious was claiming to be raped by another member. This person's poor life decisions are punishing him enough. Maybe he will seek help if we just leave him alone.
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    Nov 30, 2014 12:26 PM GMT
    So stay tuned for the next episode of

    THE GAY MAN's Stigmata starting the epervessant Morethanmsucle icon_confused.gif And the ominoresent Timm55. How now will the brown cows stigmata play out
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    Nov 30, 2014 4:24 PM GMT
    I wouldn't even befriend someone who intentional fibs to harm another. I find that behavior, those people often exhibiting themselves with such flourish on this turned-to-crap forum, disgusting.

    There’s no way I’d have anal sex without a condom. I would not even trust a supposed monogamous relationship. I've seen too many people turn into monsters after knowing them for a year or for fifty as who they originally presented themselves as being before revealing their true selves. Best to give the benefit of the doubt for practical purposes of living or you wind up totally neurotic; but, in reality, the only person you can entirely trust without reservation is your own sober self, if even that.

    Certainly I don’t buy that someone who might not always use a condom for anal sex is someone who always takes their drugs, either to maintain un-detectability on one end or the supposed 92% safe (would that be more likely better said as "up to" 92%?) on the other.

    Intentionally harming whether by fibbing or gifting indicates some sort of sociopathy.

    I tend to see non-intentional HIV transmission similarly as I view the sniffles. Though not being at all into anal, which is both an ick and an ew to me, I can better afford to lighten up on the topic with a bit of impunity.

    It's like when I go to the store to buy remedy when I come down with a cold. Not putting on a face mask to enter the supermarket is not me intentionally spreading germs. And I do tell the bagboy to back off so our hands don't touch when I take my packages, explaining that I don't want to chance spreading sniffles, even while unintended.

    Here's some info on that prep thang and the study itself...

    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/prevention/research/prep/

    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pdf/PrEPguidelines2014.pdf

    And here's a little something less depressing that's been out for a while but I only discovered it recently...

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    ^ That song was a hit over here like 15 years ago.
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    Nov 30, 2014 7:59 PM GMT
    Wow, I just spent a long time reading this thread, not only because I found it interesting but I am a bit appalled at the way people are talking to each other.... Here are some facts that I know because I have quite a few friends who are HIV positive and a close friend of mine is one of the leading HIV doctors here in Toronto and on the World Aids Board.
    1.People who are undetectable tend to stay undetectable, because they get checked regularly, usually every 3 months at first, then every 6 months, to make sure that the meds are still working. This is to keep the status undetectable, and also to make sure they haven't developed anything to go against the meds.
    2. Undetectable sex is safer, but by no means safe sex. Condoms should always be used even when undetectable unless specifically discussed with your partner. I do know couples Neg/Poz(undetectable), who are monogamous and have bare sex. That is their personal decision.
    3. Yes there is a stigma towards HIV positive men that need to stop. They call the gay community a "family", we need to stop fighting within this family.
    4.we should be worried about all STDs and not just HIV.

    That's my two cents...