9. An AIDS free generation is “within reach”

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    Dec 07, 2014 10:44 PM GMT
    ^
    +1

    I'm interested in reading how the OP responds to your post.
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    Dec 07, 2014 10:44 PM GMT
    "I care for the HIV/AIDS community rather than stigmatize it,(BS) so much so that I detest dangerous misinformation being spread (how about antiquated information? Yours) , that puts naive & uninfected guys at greater risk. I promote HIV education that dismisses the kinds of bad & misleading information you post here (it's not). And removing the HIV stigma is part of that education process. (YOU need to be removed, by your own principals)

    You are as totally off-base about me as you are about your misinterpreted HIV facts. And I don't seem to be alone here in that assessment."

    Wow, you have a Florence Nightingale complex! Too bad you can't get into the current century for medical care. You could actually do some good.


    Again, yet again post my "bad & misleading information."
    Not your inarticulate version of it.

    "that puts naive & uninfected guys at greater risk." Only 13% of 13-24 YO are on effective ART. Few even know what Undetectable is. Most young incorrectly serosort NEG:NEG, on someone's word.
    They of all people SHOULD ALWAYS use a condom.
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    Dec 07, 2014 10:50 PM GMT
    CLTMike46 saidGet back to basics:

    1. If you are HIV negative and wish to prevent the disease, wear a condom.

    2. If you are HIV positive and wish to prevent the disease from propagating, wear a condom and remain compliant with your medication regimen and/or medical surveillance.


    These recommendations have been considered best medical practices for at least 20 years.



    Good advice for 20 years ago!

    How about THIS YEAR???? 2014. Not 1994.


    Read the CDC's "What Steps Can I Take To Protect My Partner(s)?"

    http://www.cdc.gov/actagainstaids/campaigns/hivtreatmentworks/getincare/protectothers.html


    Read the ACON statement:
    What is safe sex?

    http://www.acon.org.au/sites/default/files/What-is-Safe-Sex-Position-2014.pdf

    Read Dr. Julio Montaner:
    National Summit to Improve Access to HCV Testing, Treatment, and Cure CDC, Atlanta, June 17-­‐18, 2014


    http://www.viralhepatitisaction.org/sites/default/files/hcvsummit_061814_montaner.pdf
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    Dec 07, 2014 10:53 PM GMT
    If someone cites 20 year old evidence, like Art Deco and the guy above...........READ.
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    Dec 07, 2014 11:38 PM GMT
    Timmm, your hostile attitude detracts from holding a constructive discussion.

    Condoms are the only way to really be sure to not pass on HIV, the articles I sent you state the efficacy of PreP is not 100%.

    So lets all agree that condoms should still be the main tool to remain negative; and PreP should be used in conjuncture for "higher risk individuals" (Magnetic couples for example), and one-off risk exposure, and those that would like the added confidence.

    I think everyone will agree that people lie, and that it is always best to use a condom and be protected. Regardless of if someone says they are "negative" or "undetectable".

    I think the only way we will reach the goal of an AIDS free generation is through education, frequent testing, and not engaging in risky life choices.
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    Dec 08, 2014 12:02 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said9. An AIDS free generation is “within reach”

    Not if you keep encouraging guys to bareback without condoms, just because one of the guys SAYS his viral load is undetectable.

    And BTW:

    3. HIV is no longer a death sentence

    That's not a true statement. HIV can indeed still be a death sentence. Not for everyone, fortunately, not as bad as it was in the beginning, but some are still dying. I knew guys who died in 2014 of AIDS. And others who appear to be losing the battle, so that it won't surprise me when I learn they're gone, too.


    preach!
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    Dec 08, 2014 12:03 AM GMT
    sftgfop saidTimmm, your hostile attitude detracts from holding a constructive discussion.

    If you think I'm being hostile, you should have read some of their stuff! Seriously, one was so bad and libelous the thread was taken down. Don't get on my ass for it with out getting on theirs. Capiche?

    Condoms are the only way to really be sure to not pass on HIV, the articles I sent you state the efficacy of PreP is not 100%.

    And the articles were from 2010 and 2012.


    No, not condoms either. Nothing is 100% except for abstinence.

    So lets all agree that condoms should still be the main tool to remain negative; and PreP should be used in conjuncture for "higher risk individuals" (Magnetic couples for example), and one-off risk exposure, and those that would like the added confidence.

    Totally agree


    I think everyone will agree that people lie, and that it is always best to use a condom and be protected. Regardless of if someone says they are "negative" or "undetectable".

    I think the only way we will reach the goal of an AIDS free generation is through education, frequent testing, and not engaging in risky life choices.


    You cited material from 2010 and 2012. One said we would have an epidemic by 2015.

    Myth: PrEP will create a drug-resistant HIV.

    Truth: The iPrEx study, a large international research project on the use of Truvada for PrEP, found a low risk of drug resistance — in fact, the only cases of resistance developing were in people who had unrecognized acute HIV infection. This drives home the importance of being tested for HIV regularly while on PrEP. While it is also important to take your PrEP medication every day as directed, study participants who missed doses, resulting in what study authors called "periods of low drug exposure," did not have a greater risk of developing drug resistance. Drug resistance is a concern for people with HIV, but not one associated with PrEP. A recent study found that 16 percent of HIV strains in newly infected people in the U.S. metropolitan areas are resistant to one or more HIV drugs. Resistance generally develops when people with HIV don't take their drugs regularly, therefore allowing the virus to multiply and mutate into a drug-resistant strain. Truvada is used to treat HIV as well as prevent it, so you don't want to develop resistance to it — but the key, if you're taking it for PrEP, is to get your regular HIV tests to make sure you're remaining negative.
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    Dec 08, 2014 12:18 AM GMT
    Timm,

    As the OP of this topic though, your attitude plays an important role. Everyone will agree that they what an AIDS free generation.

    I am afraid your zealous nature biases people, I think if you try a much more relaxed approach more people will be prone to listen. Sometimes its hard to hear someone over the sound of their screaming.

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    Regardless of the date of the articles, the facts are true. Even the main PrEP advocacy website states that the lower end of spectrum is only a 92% effective.

    http://men.prepfacts.org/the-questions/

    Condoms, when used, are 100% effective.

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    I think if you read the iPreX study, the biggest challenge they had was that only approximately 1/3 of the people took the minimum dosage.

    If you factor that in with what else it says, 1.) that resistance is not likely if people are taking the correct dosage (however 2/3's are not)

    2.) That there is already resistance to PrEP

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    Dec 08, 2014 12:29 AM GMT
    sftgfop saidTimm,

    As the OP of this topic though, your attitude plays an important role. Everyone will agree that they what an AIDS free generation.

    I am afraid your zealous nature biases people, I think if you try a much more relaxed approach more people will be prone to listen. Sometimes its hard to hear someone over the sound of their screaming.

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    Regardless of the date of the articles, the facts are true. Even the main PrEP advocacy website states that the lower end of spectrum is only a 92% effective.

    http://men.prepfacts.org/the-questions/


    The quote: Before you start using PrEP, it is very important to make sure that you are HIV-negative because you run the small risk of developing HIV drug resistance if you are already infected with HIV when starting PrEP. That’s because Truvada is not sufficient on its own for treating HIV; so if you are already infected, the virus in your body could become resistant to that drug. To develop HIV drug resistance means certain medications will no longer keep the virus in check if you are HIV-positive.

    Condoms, when used, are 100% effective.
    The main findings of studies we look at in more detail below are as follows:

    Condoms used 100% of the time, though not necessarily 100% perfectly (i.e. with usual rates of breakage and slippage) provide protection of 80 to 85% against HIV (uncertainty range: 76 to 93%). In other words, for every 100 cases of HIV infection that would happen without condom use, about 15 (range: 7 to 24) would happen when condoms are used consistently.

    http://www.aidsmap.com/Do-condoms-work/page/1746203/

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    I think if you read the iPreX study, the biggest challenge they had was that only approximately 1/3 of the people took the minimum dosage.

    If you factor that in with what else it says, 1.) that resistance is not likely if people are taking the correct dosage (however 2/3's are not)

    2.) That there is already resistance to PrEP

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    Dec 08, 2014 12:35 AM GMT
    well a broken condom isn't really a condom anymore; more like a really cheap cockring!icon_lol.gif

    Obviously when having sex it is important to make sure that the condom is intact and still on your penis. Like a seat-belt, it is only going to work if it is strapped on correctly!

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    If you click on the question titled, "If I use PrEP, do I have to use condoms?"

    "We’re not here to be the condom police and dictate your sex life. To answer this question, it really depends on what you and your partner want and need that will determine whether you “have” to use condoms. There are many options available now to prevent HIV. Who doesn’t love options? Of course, just like condoms, PrEP only works if you use it.

    If you use PrEP consistently and correctly, it is 92% "


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    Dec 08, 2014 12:37 AM GMT
    As I stated earlier Timm,

    we both agree that condoms should be the first choice, and PrEP is another tool that should be used in conjuncture with condoms.

    And as I also mentioned, frequent testing is also crucial to ensure that people are educated about their status!
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    Dec 08, 2014 1:38 AM GMT
    timmm55 said
    I don't give a shit about anecdotal evidence from 20 years ago. Yeah, you had a POZ partner, you should get a medal. pfft

    Sympathy again????????

    Not sympathy, but countering your wild unsubstantiated claims that I and others here promote a stigma against poz people. You are just nuts, and undermine with every post any possible credibility on this topic you might have hoped to have.

    And BTW, it wasn't 20 years ago. Another of your hysterical distortions. Everything I've written here is endorsed by infectious disease/HIV specialists with whom I speak on a regular basis, two of whom have been my general practitioners over the years.

    You are simply wrong and refuse to admit it, promoting dangerous unsafe sex practices to satisfy your own selfish personal agenda. Undetectable viral load and PrEP do NOT make unprotected sex a good option, as you are insisting. They may lower the risk of transmission (provided the guy telling you he's got a low viral count isn't lying), but an element of risk remains.

    YOU and your misleading information, and others like you, are a primary reason why HIV rates in the US aren't declining as they should be. The HIV/AIDS agencies with whom I work spend as much time fighting misinformation like yours as they do in disseminating the real story. The story as it exists TODAY, not "20 years ago".
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    Dec 08, 2014 2:15 AM GMT
    timmm55 said
    MGINSD saidAnd what then? A return to the profligate, self-destructive ways of the '70s? There was a play written based on this premise several decades ago. I wish I could remember its name. Suffice to say it's not in the current repertoire of gay drama.


    Larry Kramer's "Normal Heart"? He calls PrEP users "Truvada Whores".....sounds like you'd agree with him. Pity.


    How can I agree w/ him - and to this point I've not agreed w/ LK on anything - until I'm positive his play is the one I'm thinking of? You're speculating to cast a slur, which is doubly dumb.
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    Dec 08, 2014 3:15 AM GMT
    Okay, I repeat:

    The most effective way of preventing any sexually transmitted disease is:

    1. Education
    2. Use of effective prophylaxis
    3. If infected, compliance with therapy and appropriate medical surveillance.

    Would any fair-minded viewer disagree with my recommendations?
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    Dec 08, 2014 8:19 AM GMT
    How many times are you going to post the same fucking thread?
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    Dec 08, 2014 1:36 PM GMT
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    sftgfop saidTimmm, your hostile attitude detracts from holding a constructive discussion.

    If you think I'm being hostile, you should have read some of their stuff! Seriously, one was so bad and libelous the thread was taken down. Don't get on my ass for it with out getting on theirs. Capiche?

    Condoms are the only way to really be sure to not pass on HIV, the articles I sent you state the efficacy of PreP is not 100%.

    And the articles were from 2010 and 2012.


    No, not condoms either. Nothing is 100% except for abstinence.

    So lets all agree that condoms should still be the main tool to remain negative; and PreP should be used in conjuncture for "higher risk individuals" (Magnetic couples for example), and one-off risk exposure, and those that would like the added confidence.

    Totally agree


    I think everyone will agree that people lie, and that it is always best to use a condom and be protected. Regardless of if someone says they are "negative" or "undetectable".

    I think the only way we will reach the goal of an AIDS free generation is through education, frequent testing, and not engaging in risky life choices.


    You cited material from 2010 and 2012. One said we would have an epidemic by 2015.

    Myth: PrEP will create a drug-resistant HIV.

    Truth: The iPrEx study, a large international research project on the use of Truvada for PrEP, found a low risk of drug resistance — in fact, the only cases of resistance developing were in people who had unrecognized acute HIV infection. This drives home the importance of being tested for HIV regularly while on PrEP. While it is also important to take your PrEP medication every day as directed, study participants who missed doses, resulting in what study authors called "periods of low drug exposure," did not have a greater risk of developing drug resistance. Drug resistance is a concern for people with HIV, but not one associated with PrEP. A recent study found that 16 percent of HIV strains in newly infected people in the U.S. metropolitan areas are resistant to one or more HIV drugs. Resistance generally develops when people with HIV don't take their drugs regularly, therefore allowing the virus to multiply and mutate into a drug-resistant strain. Truvada is used to treat HIV as well as prevent it, so you don't want to develop resistance to it — but the key, if you're taking it for PrEP, is to get your regular HIV tests to make sure you're remaining negative.


    Truvada's monthly cost ($1300-1600 at most pharmacies) makes it beyond the economic means for many who need it. It's a prohibitive cost for the uninsured, and even with insurance, the co-pays may be larger than some can afford.

    Is your desire to bareback at will really worth the extra thousands of dollars per year? Couldn't some of that money be better spent on education programs and support for those with AIDS?
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    Dec 08, 2014 4:53 PM GMT
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    uhhh, I don't know where you got that figure, but if you're paying that price for any prescription than your being 'had'!

    I've been on PrEP twice. Once while I was living in the UK, where it was free, and the second time was here in the States. Yes it is expensive, but not anywhere near the number you quoted. A 30 day pill regiment of Truvada and Kaletra cost me 150 bucks. I know that my pharmacy tech and I had to call the manufacturer and there were discounts offered if you filled out a form.


    Fun fact, most prescription stores will price match (Target Pharmacy certainly will). And most pharmacies will honor coupon codes.

    Personally I think PrEP should be offered free at emergency rooms. If someone is that concerned (like I was) that they were willing to show up at an emergency room at 1 AM...
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    Dec 08, 2014 5:03 PM GMT
    And before anyone starts to give me grief, yes condoms were used! The first time was my boyfriend at the time who was undetectable, condom broke, and I still decided to go on PrEP just to be sure.

    Second time, condom broke on me. The guy said he was neg, but I pretty much assume that unless I see someone get tested and see their test date, that they are HIV+. Dallas has a HIV+ rate...

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    So that being said, and seeing my above posts, Condoms are the most effective tool, however PrEP is an important 'safety net' that can be used for increased confidence.

    I believe that if there are any tools to lower HIV incidence, they should be utilized (intelligently though). I believe in 'socialized' medicine...so take that as you will! (i.e. I think PrEP should be free)
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    Dec 08, 2014 7:14 PM GMT
    Within a far reach for most our Subsaharan friends
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    Dec 08, 2014 8:32 PM GMT
    Timmm55 Only MMTM, me and maybe a couple other guys are "out" about their HIV+ status. And we are undetectable. No other POZ guys on here! Amazing. But, considering the volume of vitriol, who wants to be harassed? I can hardly blame them for NOT wanting to join in the shit storm of blame, slander and hate.


    Well, I'm going to be that rare few guy who says: I don't believe that HIV actual infects people or causes AIDS. I don't even believe the tests out there actually detects an actual HIV infection either.

    I'm sure there's someone out here who wants to call me out,, but i don't buy into any of the current belief systems.. I simply have not met anyone personally who has gotten sick or died as a result of having HIV. I have met people who've gotten very sick once starting an HIV drug treatment. Or, after having a cough for a few weeks, turn to get tested and end up positive and immediately starting a treatment regime.Remember too, AIDS isn't a virus or illness, it's a combination of illnesses called AIDS.

    I invite people to start reading sites like aliveandwell.org. The general consensus that most gay men know is that you get tested, and immediately begin a drug routine. I think at some point, people need to think outside the box and be open to other studies/information.

    What gets me too is people always say aids isn't a gay disease. Well then why do we always only see AIDS medication ads in every gay magazine out there? When was the last time a bitch seen a fucking HIV advertisement in a sports illustrated, playboy/girl, or men's health magazine?
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    Dec 08, 2014 8:41 PM GMT
    be careful, it mutates too fast, there will be no cure (just like there's no cure for herpes, measles, small pox, flu, etc)

    a virus is difficult, if not impossible, to get rid of

    bacteria are relatively easy to kill, virus and fungi are not
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    Dec 08, 2014 9:31 PM GMT
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    Dec 08, 2014 10:58 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidbe careful, it mutates too fast, there will be no cure (just like there's no cure for herpes, measles, small pox, flu, etc)

    a virus is difficult, if not impossible, to get rid of

    bacteria are relatively easy to kill, virus and fungi are not


    ...I'm sorry, but you do realize that small pox has been eradicated? (ignoring the two countries that keep reservoirs of the disease for study?)

    And that the second disease that is most likely to be eradicated is also a virus...polio?
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    tj85016 saidbe careful, it mutates too fast, there will be no cure (just like there's no cure for herpes, measles, small pox, flu, etc)

    a virus is difficult, if not impossible, to get rid of

    bacteria are relatively easy to kill, virus and fungi are not

    ...I'm sorry, but you do realize that small pox has been eradicated? (ignoring the two countries that keep reservoirs of the disease for study?)

    And that the second disease that is most likely to be eradicated is also a virus...polio?

    HIV is a retro virus. Not the same thing as those others. Do look it up.

    Back to square one for you...