Would you TRUST a guy saying he's "HIV+ undetectable" and bareback with him?

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    Jan 09, 2015 4:51 PM GMT
    Once again you dance around the question without an answer, no wonder you have no credibility
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    Jan 09, 2015 7:44 PM GMT
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 saidOnce again you dance around the question without an answer, no wonder you have no credibility


    it's already been said. NO.

    At least for the simplistic question David wants answered. But nothing is as simple as that. Again read the ACON statement, a link YOU provided BTW. Thank You.
  • Timbales

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    Jan 10, 2015 1:49 AM GMT
    I personally have no reasons to not use condoms, ever.
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    Jan 10, 2015 6:29 AM GMT
    Timbales saidI personally have no reasons to not use condoms, ever.


    Good for you! Really, no cynicism.



    "It's the HIV prevention gospel. Use a condom, correctly and consistently each and every time you have sex.

    But what if that message is myth? New information shows that for anal sex, the gospel may in fact be flawed. Latex or other synthetic male condoms have never been approved by the FDA for use in anal sex. Not once. Not ever.

    That study also found one in six men who have sex with men reported using condoms 100 percent of the time. This is much worse than other studies which show about half of men who have sex with men didn't use condoms in their last episode of anal sex."

    That means 5 in 6 don't use condoms 100% of the time. 83%

    With condoms "some of the time" isn't valid risk reduction. One slip and you can become POZ.

    http://www.pridesource.com/article.html?article=66025

    Holly $%&*!

    I suppose if you are in a monogamous relationship, both Negative?

    And as for monogamy?

    "New research at San Francisco State University reveals just how common open relationships are among gay men and lesbians in the Bay Area. The Gay Couples Study has followed 556 male couples for three years — about 50 percent of those surveyed have sex outside their relationships, with the knowledge and approval of their partners."

    (Well it is SF! Lower in other parts of the country I sure.)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29sfmetro.html?_r=0

    But here on RJ everyone practices "safe sex", with condoms, 100% of the time. And only 2% are Positive. This is a rare place indeed.
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    Timbales said
    I personally have no reasons to not use condoms, ever.


    Good for you! Really, no cynicism.

    "It's the HIV prevention gospel. Use a condom, correctly and consistently each and every time you have sex.

    But what if that message is myth? New information shows that for anal sex, the gospel may in fact be flawed. Latex or other synthetic male condoms have never been approved by the FDA for use in anal sex. Not once. Not ever.
    That study also found one in six men who have sex with men reported using condoms 100 percent of the time. This is much worse than other studies which show about half of men who have sex with men didn't use condoms in their last episode of anal sex."

    That means 5 in 6 don't use condoms 100% of the time. 83%

    With condoms "some of the time" isn't valid risk reduction. One slip and you can become POZ.

    http://www.pridesource.com/article.html?article=66025

    Holly $%&*!

    I suppose if you are in a monogamous relationship, both Negative?

    And as for monogamy?

    "New research at San Francisco State University reveals just how common open relationships are among gay men and lesbians in the Bay Area. The Gay Couples Study has followed 556 male couples for three years — about 50 percent of those surveyed have sex outside their relationships, with the knowledge and approval of their partners."

    (Well it is SF! Lower in other parts of the country I sure.)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29sfmetro.html?_r=0

    But here on RJ everyone practices "safe sex", with condoms, 100% of the time. And only 2% are Positive. This is a rare place indeed.



    Wow wow wow...this is just nuts. Timbales said he has no intentions of barebacking and you go right after him trying to change his mind, to convince him otherwise. Are you even aware of how SHIT of a person you are?
  • Timbales

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    Jan 10, 2015 4:28 PM GMT
    I'm 44. I was entering puberty when GRID was first announced, then HIV and AIDS was further discovered and researched. I use condoms for sex. Nothing anyone on-line says makes a difference to me, they aren't a part of my sex life.
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    David3K said
    timmm55 said
    Timbales said
    I personally have no reasons to not use condoms, ever.


    Good for you! Really, no cynicism.

    "It's the HIV prevention gospel. Use a condom, correctly and consistently each and every time you have sex.

    But what if that message is myth? New information shows that for anal sex, the gospel may in fact be flawed. Latex or other synthetic male condoms have never been approved by the FDA for use in anal sex. Not once. Not ever.
    That study also found one in six men who have sex with men reported using condoms 100 percent of the time. This is much worse than other studies which show about half of men who have sex with men didn't use condoms in their last episode of anal sex."

    That means 5 in 6 don't use condoms 100% of the time. 83%

    With condoms "some of the time" isn't valid risk reduction. One slip and you can become POZ.

    http://www.pridesource.com/article.html?article=66025

    Holly $%&*!

    I suppose if you are in a monogamous relationship, both Negative?

    And as for monogamy?

    "New research at San Francisco State University reveals just how common open relationships are among gay men and lesbians in the Bay Area. The Gay Couples Study has followed 556 male couples for three years — about 50 percent of those surveyed have sex outside their relationships, with the knowledge and approval of their partners."

    (Well it is SF! Lower in other parts of the country I sure.)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29sfmetro.html?_r=0

    But here on RJ everyone practices "safe sex", with condoms, 100% of the time. And only 2% are Positive. This is a rare place indeed.



    Wow wow wow...this is just nuts. Timbales said he has no intentions of barebacking and you go right after him trying to change his mind, to convince him otherwise. Are you even aware of how SHIT of a person you are?


    Your interpretation is absurd. I don't want him to change his mind! If he's the rare man that really does use condoms 100% I applaud it. Just do it!

    I'm not "going right after him" at all. I was pointing out how rare it was. Even in many relationships condoms need to be used....those that are not monogamous.

    It has to 100%, not "some of the time" or "occasionally". It's not like skipping one pill. If that's his program, stick with it. Awhile back I started a thread for a new "Gay" condom, developed by a Gay man specifically for anal use. Or do you think condoms are so highly evolved they can't be improved upon?

    Every sexual act carries risk. If anyone thinks condoms or anything else is perfect, there are caveats for everything.

    But you David, feel it's it's OK to say I'm nuts and a SHIT person? I'm sure that debasing me helps you to feel my stigma is deserving.

    If I say a simple "No" (or "yes") you say I'm a crazed, psychopath, shit, liar....and every fucking thing in the book. It's to the point no matter what I post it's "a BB agenda" to you. Stigma is self fulfilling to you. Your hate is hurting you more than me.
  • dilfforrent

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    Jan 12, 2015 1:00 AM GMT
    This is disgusting. Been lurking this site for a while, but to see other POZ guys patronizing those who use condoms and implying that it's not 100% effective (It is if you use it 100% of the time!)... Are these people trying to drag everyone down with them in the name of "ending stigma"??

    Let me tell you that the same people who knowingly risk their lives by being too lazy or hasty to use condoms will skip their meds for the same reason.
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    Jan 12, 2015 2:31 AM GMT
    dilfforrent saidThis is disgusting. Been lurking this site for a while, but to see other POZ guys patronizing those who use condoms and implying that it's not 100% effective (It is if you use it 100% of the time!)... Are these people trying to drag everyone down with them in the name of "ending stigma"??

    Let me tell you that the same people who knowingly risk their lives by being too lazy or hasty to use condoms will skip their meds for the same reason.


    Thank you for speaking up difforent, I am not assuming you agree with me on anything else but you have articulated exactly, my biggest concern with the pharmacuitical cheerleaders is instead of stating that the treatment is an additional but still experimental tool.

    Instead of that they decided that it the one and ony way and it's only when thear peolple are called up on their behaviour that they alter their message to begrudgingly include the important details including that the partner study only looked at monogomous couples and then they engaged in slut shaming by excluding persons who contracted HIV during the partners study trial.

    You are particularly wise to point out the adherence paradox we are supposed to believe. Even if we took the Drug lobbyist at their word, it's establishec fact that HIV is effected by the presence of other STI's which puts the stable undetectable statues at risk.

    Even based on that with Prep used as intended for the high risk people only in addition to condom, Gay men may become more worried about bi-sexual transmission in the to us ironically, not so if we listen to the bullying Timm55 and his mates/Sock accounts.
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    Jan 12, 2015 2:43 AM GMT
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    David3K said
    timmm55 said
    Timbales said
    I personally have no reasons to not use condoms, ever.


    Good for you! Really, no cynicism.

    "It's the HIV prevention gospel. Use a condom, correctly and consistently each and every time you have sex

    Like most of the POZ community your exposure to condom use is a thing of the past and you're citing of dubious studies does nothing for your lack of credibility. Please do us all a favour and put a metaphorical condom on your head. Oh and I have a very exciting and full life of which leaves little time to search the web for anyone who sounds crevdible to quote. Most young people know you can prove anything you want on the web if you can control the debate and argue your point strongly. For the rest of us who have been around long enough to be wary of self interested persons such as you are up too and your thinly veiled agenda

    That is where your skills lie please get a life a use those skills for the good of community instead of just to add to your pool of guys who will bend over raw for your though you seem more of a bottom to me
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    dilfforrent saidThis is disgusting. Been lurking this site for a while, but to see other POZ guys patronizing those who use condoms and implying that it's not 100% effective (It is if you use it 100% of the time!)... Are these people trying to drag everyone down with them in the name of "ending stigma"??

    Let me tell you
    that the same people who knowingly risk their lives by being too lazy or hasty to use condoms will skip their meds for the same reason.


    Let me tell you I'm nearly 100% compliant. And I've been POZ since at least 1982. Ya know, back when Gay men seldom used them. When I found out I was POZ I did use them all the time.

    Drag everyone down? NO I believe there are several choices that intelligent and informed people can make. More choices and layers of protection equals LESS HIV infections. None are 100% effective.

    Thanks for dropping in, now go climb under a rock where you belong.

    Stigmatize much? Too lazy, too hasty, patronizing, bring everyone down....that shows how, in your first post, you embrace bigotry.

    But you sound like someone else on here........1 post???

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    Sydneyrugbyjock73 said[quote][cite]timmm55 said[/cite]
    David3K said
    timmm55 said
    Timbales said
    I personally have no reasons to not use condoms, ever.


    Good for you! Really, no cynicism.

    "It's the HIV prevention gospel. Use a condom, correctly and consistently each and every time you have sex.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29sfmetro.html?_r=0

    Like most of the POZ community your exposure to condom use is a thing of the past and you're citing of dubious studies does nothing for your lack of credibility. Please do us all a favour and put a metaphorical condom on your head. Oh and I have a very exciting and full life of which leaves little time to search the web for anyone who sounds crevdible to quote. Most young people know you can prove anything you want on the web if you can control the debate and argue your point strongly. That is where your skills lie please get a life a use those skills for the good of community instead of just to add to your pool of guys who will bend over raw for your though you seem more of a bottom to me


    Cray cray!
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    timmm55 said
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 said[quote][cite]timmm55 said[/cite]
    David3K said
    timmm55 said
    Timbales said
    I personally have no reasons to not use condoms, ever.


    Good for you! Really, no cynicism.

    "It's the HIV prevention gospel. Use a condom, correctly and consistently each and every time you have sex.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29sfmetro.html?_r=0

    Like most of the POZ community your exposure to condom use is a thing of the past and you're citing of dubious studies does nothing for your lack of credibility. Please do us all a favour and put a metaphorical condom on your head. Oh and I have a very exciting and full life of which leaves little time to search the web for anyone who sounds crevdible to quote. Most young people know you can prove anything you want on the web if you can control the debate and argue your point strongly. That is where your skills lie please get a life a use those skills for the good of community instead of just to add to your pool of guys who will bend over raw for your though you seem more of a bottom to me


    Cray cray!


    Oh now we have self description and a very old man using a language used by teenagers. This just gets more entertaining and in a Benny Hill slapstick comedy way
  • juankgdney

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    Jan 12, 2015 2:55 AM GMT
    You have got to be fucking kidding me
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    Sydneyrugbyjock73 said
    dilfforrent saidThis is disgusting. Been lurking this site for a while, but to see other POZ guys patronizing those who use condoms and implying that it's not 100% effective (It is if you use it 100% of the time!)... Are these people trying to drag everyone down with them in the name of "ending stigma"??

    Let me tell you that the same people who knowingly risk their lives by being too lazy or hasty to use condoms will skip their meds for the same reason.


    Thank you for speaking up difforent, I am not assuming you agree with me on anything else but you have articulated exactly, my biggest concern with the pharmacuitical cheerleaders is instead of stating that the treatment is an additional but still experimental tool. They are all tools. PrEP, condoms, Undetectable, etc.

    Instead of that they decided that it the one and ony way (NOPE! That's you and condoms.) and it's only when thear peolple are called up on their behaviour that they alter their message to begrudgingly include the important details including that the partner study only looked at monogomous couples and then they engaged in slut shaming by excluding persons who contracted HIV during the partners study trial.
    Holy shit, you are stupid! It was not a monogamous study. Gay or straight. BTW neither is the new "Opposites Attract" Study in Australia. There were 4 Gay men who came up positive during the partners study. They were genetically proven to have gotten HIV from someone other than their partner. A simple fact, unfortunate because their HIV/Undetectable partner was protecting them.

    You are particularly wise (so this is your alter ego? LOL) to point out the adherence paradox we are supposed to believe. Even if we took the Drug lobbyist at their word, it's establishec fact that HIV is effected by the presence of other STI's which puts the stable undetectable statues at risk.
    (Wrong again! While there were STDs in the Partners Study, no one got HIV from their Undetectable partner. It's a theory only. No specific studies have been done.)

    Even based on that with Prep used as intended for the high risk people only in addition to condom, Gay men may become more worried about bi-sexual transmission (WTF are you talking about?) in the to us ironically, not so if we listen to the bullying Timm55 and his mates/Sock accounts.
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    Jan 12, 2015 3:18 AM GMT
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 said
    timmm55 said
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 said[quote][cite]timmm55 said[/cite]
    David3K said
    timmm55 said
    Timbales said
    I personally have no reasons to not use condoms, ever.


    Good for you! Really, no cynicism.

    "It's the HIV prevention gospel. Use a condom, correctly and consistently each and every time you have sex.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29sfmetro.html?_r=0

    Like most of the POZ community your exposure to condom use is a thing of the past and you're citing of dubious studies does nothing for your lack of credibility. Please do us all a favour and put a metaphorical condom on your head. Oh and I have a very exciting and full life of which leaves little time to search the web for anyone who sounds crevdible to quote. Most young people know you can prove anything you want on the web if you can control the debate and argue your point strongly. That is where your skills lie please get a life a use those skills for the good of community instead of just to add to your pool of guys who will bend over raw for your though you seem more of a bottom to me


    Cray cray!


    Oh now we have self description and a very old man using a language used by teenagers. This just gets more entertaining and in a Benny Hill slapstick comedy way


    When you learn how to spell, construct a sentence and a paragraph....then you instruct me on age inappropriate slang.

  • dilfforrent

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    Jan 12, 2015 3:22 AM GMT
    timmm55 said
    dilfforrent saidThis is disgusting. Been lurking this site for a while, but to see other POZ guys patronizing those who use condoms and implying that it's not 100% effective (It is if you use it 100% of the time!)... Are these people trying to drag everyone down with them in the name of "ending stigma"??

    Let me tell you
    that the same people who knowingly risk their lives by being too lazy or hasty to use condoms will skip their meds for the same reason.


    Let me tell you I'm nearly 100% compliant. And I've been POZ since at least 1982. Ya know, back when Gay men seldom used them. When I found out I was POZ I did use them all the time.

    Drag everyone down? NO I believe there are several choices that intelligent and informed people can make. More choices and layers of protection equals LESS HIV infections. None are 100% effective.

    Thanks for dropping in, now go climb under a rock where you belong.

    Stigmatize much? Too lazy, too hasty, patronizing, bring everyone down....that shows how, in your first post, you embrace bigotry.

    But you sound like someone else on here........1 post???


    As a poz guy, why would I stigmatize myself?? Guess what, I got it from a guy who was "undetectable" (he wasn't)

    I'm just calling out you and that other guy because of the terribly irresponsible advice you've been giving on this thread and others, and destruction you are doing to the image of HIV+ folk. Your attitude to Timbales' condom use "good for you, here's a lollipop, btw your gospel is a myth" is downright disgusting.
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    Jan 12, 2015 4:55 AM GMT
    +1 from me.

    The worst part is that he is challenged by so mnay RJ members both POZ and Negative that he has no other position than to claim discrimination. Once again thank you for puttting the BS into perspective,
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    dilfforrent said
    timmm55 said
    dilfforrent saidThis is disgusting. Been lurking this site for a while, but to see other POZ guys patronizing those who use condoms and implying that it's not 100% effective (It is if you use it 100% of the time!)... Are these people trying to drag everyone down with them in the name of "ending stigma"??

    Let me tell you
    that the same people who knowingly risk their lives by being too lazy or hasty to use condoms will skip their meds for the same reason.


    Let me tell you I'm nearly 100% compliant. And I've been POZ since at least 1982. Ya know, back when Gay men seldom used them. When I found out I was POZ I did use them all the time.

    Drag everyone down? NO I believe there are several choices that intelligent and informed people can make. More choices and layers of protection equals LESS HIV infections. None are 100% effective.

    Thanks for dropping in, now go climb under a rock where you belong.

    Stigmatize much? Too lazy, too hasty, patronizing, bring everyone down....that shows how, in your first post, you embrace bigotry.

    But you sound like someone else on here........1 post???


    As a poz guy, why would I stigmatize myself?? Guess what, I got it from a guy who was "undetectable" (he wasn't)

    I'm just calling out you and that other guy because of the terribly irresponsible advice you've been giving on this thread and others, and destruction you are doing to the image of HIV+ folk. Your attitude to Timbales' condom use "good for you, here's a lollipop, btw your gospel is a myth" is downright disgusting.


    I am sorry about that. Really. The guy who lied about being undetectable can be prosecuted. Undetectable people have gone to jail even when they didn't transmit HIV.....he did.

    Self-loathing is not uncommon. There's a whole range of emotions when becoming POZ. It doesn't erase all the things you've internalized all these years. But guilt doesn't do anyone any good. More importantly, what are you doing NOW? Are you on ART?

    I wasn't being cynical with Timbales. If you're going to have anal sex with condoms, PrEP or any other risk management....know it's limitations.

    You need to be specific on my "terribly irresponsible advice". Crazysydney has made so many far fetched and delusional comments that he believes what he's said about me.

    There is a new condom, made by a Gay man for anal sex. That's supposed to enhance feeling.



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    Jan 12, 2015 6:56 PM GMT
    No. I trust no one with my life. I also don't trust men who say they're HIV-. I don't trust one doctor's opinion for serious health issues. And as an attorney, I'd never trust the opinion of one attorney.

    I can trust on small issues and to help facilitate daily transactions and commerce (restaurants TRUST you will not dine-and-dash, I TRUST that the food was preserved, stored and cooked properly). But when things are serious, STDs, cancer, chronic conditions, I TRUST no man.
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    Svnw688 saidNo. I trust no one with my life. I also don't trust men who say they're HIV-. I don't trust one doctor's opinion for serious health issues. And as an attorney, I'd never trust the opinion of one attorney.

    I can trust on small issues and to help facilitate daily transactions and commerce (restaurants TRUST you will not dine-and-dash, I TRUST that the food was preserved, stored and cooked properly). But when things are serious, STDs, cancer, chronic conditions, I TRUST no man.


    Nothing wrong with being cautious. And you do equally for everyone.
  • dilfforrent

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    Jan 14, 2015 2:21 AM GMT
    timmm55 said
    dilfforrent said
    timmm55 said
    dilfforrent saidThis is disgusting. Been lurking this site for a while, but to see other POZ guys patronizing those who use condoms and implying that it's not 100% effective (It is if you use it 100% of the time!)... Are these people trying to drag everyone down with them in the name of "ending stigma"??

    Let me tell you
    that the same people who knowingly risk their lives by being too lazy or hasty to use condoms will skip their meds for the same reason.


    Let me tell you I'm nearly 100% compliant. And I've been POZ since at least 1982. Ya know, back when Gay men seldom used them. When I found out I was POZ I did use them all the time.

    Drag everyone down? NO I believe there are several choices that intelligent and informed people can make. More choices and layers of protection equals LESS HIV infections. None are 100% effective.

    Thanks for dropping in, now go climb under a rock where you belong.

    Stigmatize much? Too lazy, too hasty, patronizing, bring everyone down....that shows how, in your first post, you embrace bigotry.

    But you sound like someone else on here........1 post???


    As a poz guy, why would I stigmatize myself?? Guess what, I got it from a guy who was "undetectable" (he wasn't)

    I'm just calling out you and that other guy because of the terribly irresponsible advice you've been giving on this thread and others, and destruction you are doing to the image of HIV+ folk. Your attitude to Timbales' condom use "good for you, here's a lollipop, btw your gospel is a myth" is downright disgusting.


    I am sorry about that. Really. The guy who lied about being undetectable can be prosecuted. Undetectable people have gone to jail even when they didn't transmit HIV.....he did.

    Self-loathing is not uncommon. There's a whole range of emotions when becoming POZ. It doesn't erase all the things you've internalized all these years. But guilt doesn't do anyone any good. More importantly, what are you doing NOW? Are you on ART?

    I wasn't being cynical with Timbales. If you're going to have anal sex with condoms, PrEP or any other risk management....know it's limitations.

    You need to be specific on my "terribly irresponsible advice". Crazysydney has made so many far fetched and delusional comments that he believes what he's said about me.

    There is a new condom, made by a Gay man for anal sex. That's supposed to enhance feeling.


    I don't need your sympathies, especially when it came after your "climb back under a rock" retort, and BEFORE accusing me of being self-loathing.

    What "limitations" of condoms do I need to know as I put one on before sex?

    I've seen you and the other guy post similar things on numerous other threads. Each time it's one of the following:

    1- some "new" report from a university researcher or "doctor" advising that undetectable is the new negative.
    2- careful word choice to imply that PrEP or serosorting is an equal substitute for condoms (which presupposes that the partner is what they say they are, and is COMPLETELY INEFFECTIVE AGAINST ANY OTHER STI - which can develop into HIV)
    3- careful word choice to imply that condoms are not 100% effective (when really it's only ever less than 100% effective when NOT USED)

    I see your username comes up a lot on the internet for HIV related discussions on other forums... get over your stigma already. I did.
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    Jan 14, 2015 5:18 AM GMT
    So the BB bomb was dropped again and all hell (the Condom Police) broke loose icon_biggrin.gif

    I don't think it's about trust. It's about making a conscious decision. I did do it with undetectable guys and will continue to do so if opportunity strikes. I am, however, still negative and I'm definitely not chasing.

    It really comes down to what you like and, again, making a conscious decision. I know the risks and I fully accept them. It is MY choice to bareback, whether you like it or not.

    Oh and believe me, it's not that easy to get HIV. There are those who try to get it and fail for years. I've been barebacking for almost 11 years, I'm negative and I've never had an STI. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I think there's more to it. I think you can choose your sex partner wisely, even if it's just a hook-up. I don't do bathhouses, sex parties, orgies, sex clubs etc.

    One more thing: I would rather have sex (BB or not) with a guy who's poz/undetectable than with a guy who doesn't even know his status. Those are the most 'dangerous' ones.
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    Jan 14, 2015 7:05 AM GMT
    dilfforrent said
    timmm55 said
    dilfforrent said
    timmm55 said
    dilfforrent saidThis is disgusting. Been lurking this site for a while, but to see other POZ guys patronizing those who use condoms and implying that it's not 100% effective (It is if you use it 100% of the time!)... Are these people trying to drag everyone down with them in the name of "ending stigma"??

    Let me tell you
    that the same people who knowingly risk their lives by being too lazy or hasty to use condoms will skip their meds for the same reason.


    Let me tell you I'm nearly 100% compliant. And I've been POZ since at least 1982. Ya know, back when Gay men seldom used them. When I found out I was POZ I did use them all the time.

    Drag everyone down? NO I believe there are several choices that intelligent and informed people can make. More choices and layers of protection equals LESS HIV infections. None are 100% effective.

    Thanks for dropping in, now go climb under a rock where you belong.

    Stigmatize much? Too lazy, too hasty, patronizing, bring everyone down....that shows how, in your first post, you embrace bigotry.

    But you sound like someone else on here........1 post???


    As a poz guy, why would I stigmatize myself?? Guess what, I got it from a guy who was "undetectable" (he wasn't)

    I'm just calling out you and that other guy because of the terribly irresponsible advice you've been giving on this thread and others, and destruction you are doing to the image of HIV+ folk. Your attitude to Timbales' condom use "good for you, here's a lollipop, btw your gospel is a myth" is downright disgusting.


    I am sorry about that. Really. The guy who lied about being undetectable can be prosecuted. Undetectable people have gone to jail even when they didn't transmit HIV.....he did.

    Self-loathing is not uncommon. There's a whole range of emotions when becoming POZ. It doesn't erase all the things you've internalized all these years. But guilt doesn't do anyone any good. More importantly, what are you doing NOW? Are you on ART?

    I wasn't being cynical with Timbales. If you're going to have anal sex with condoms, PrEP or any other risk management....know it's limitations.

    You need to be specific on my "terribly irresponsible advice". Crazysydney has made so many far fetched and delusional comments that he believes what he's said about me.

    There is a new condom, made by a Gay man for anal sex. That's supposed to enhance feeling.


    I don't need your sympathies, especially when it came after your "climb back under a rock" retort, and BEFORE accusing me of being self-loathing.

    What "limitations" of condoms do I need to know as I put one on before sex?

    I've seen you and the other guy post similar things on numerous other threads. Each time it's one of the following:

    1- some "new" report from a university researcher or "doctor" advising that undetectable is the new negative.

    These "new" studies have been ongoing since 2010 or so. Why put "Dr." in quotes? Is that to make them sound like charlatans? If you don't know "Dr. Julio Montaner" or "Dr. Anthony Fauci" please look them up! You will be enlightened. They are the preeminent experts on HIV.


    2- careful word choice to imply that PrEP or serosorting is an equal substitute for condoms (which presupposes that the partner is what they say they are, and is COMPLETELY INEFFECTIVE AGAINST ANY OTHER STI - which can develop into HIV)

    Utterly FALSE. Sersorting is NOT recommended if one partner is Negative and the the other is Negative.
    3- careful word choice to imply that condoms are not 100% effective (when really it's only ever less than 100% effective when NOT USED)

    It isn't "careful" word choice. It is less than 100%.

    Consistent condom use in anal sex stops 70% of HIV infections, study finds
    that's the HEADLINE. Nothing selective or edited.
    http://www.aidsmap.com/Consistent-condom-use-in-anal-sex-stops-70-of-HIV-infections-study-finds/page/2586976/

    I see your username comes up a lot on the internet for HIV related discussions on other forums... get over your stigma already. I did.

    YOU and I may be "over" stigma, I don't experience it except on here. But I know it's real for a lot of people. Especially black Gay youth. Stigma is considered the #1 reason for not getting tested.

    http://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/hiv-testing-stereotypes-stigma-0107133




    Please tell me you just made a typo:"COMPLETELY INEFFECTIVE AGAINST ANY OTHER STI - which can develop into HIV)"

    Nothing develops into HIV but HIV.

    So you found I do research and ask a lot of questions, try it sometime. For someone POZ you know very little about your condition.
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