Should the T be dropped from LGBT?

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    Jan 13, 2015 4:35 PM GMT

    lol, Inque, you're so full of crap at times.

    While you're talking about transgenders like they are some kind of insect under a lamp, there are women to men transgenders on here, some of them friends.

    Next time you are treated this way, as if you are just a thing to be repulsed by (some others comments, not yours)or others discuss whether anyone should support you as if you are a bug under a lamp, remember how you talked about trans.

  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 13, 2015 4:42 PM GMT
    meninlove said
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    buymeasoda saidI think the gay community owes a lot to the Trans community. Read up on there roll during the stonewall riots. It should give you some perspective on how important they are to our community and why I want them on our team.

    I think if you weren't "Lumped in with them" Gay marriage would not be legal in Florida.

    We need to think inclusive not exclusive if we are going to beat the haters. If we start segregating ourselves we could undo all that we have fought for.

    The Transgenders have very little in common with the mainstream GLB community so they really should be separated and placed in their own category. One of the major reasons why a lot of right wing radicals detest us is most likely because we have included the transgender folks under our umbrella which gives the NARROW MINDED BIBLE THUMPING SCREWBALLS fuel to label us as recruiters to a perverse way of life. I myself am not comfortable with the idea of someone changing their gender. I am not condemning it but at the same token I am not condoning it, it is just not my cup of tea. I just feel that including transgender people in our community is a tremendous liability to our struggle for full equality. So the time is long overdue to permanently remove the "T" and set the transgenders on their own.



    Yet somehow in Canada we managed to gain full 100% equality WITH transgenders. How do you explain that Rob?
    Well bully for you up in Canada. That doesn't necessarily mean it will be the exact same way here in the US or in any other country. The Transgenders really do not belong under our umbrella because they are too much of a risky liability in our struggle for equality. I think that the transgenders have the ability and resources to fight on their own. We have very little if anything in common with them. As usual you demonstrated your utter ignorance of how things work in the US yet you are quick to make comments on things that you just don't understand. Probably you should concern yourself with things north of the border.
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    Jan 13, 2015 4:50 PM GMT
    O I C Rob. This is about just the US is it? rofl. In spite of your narrow minded bigotry about trans people, a great any of them are in fact, gay. I suggest doing some research about trans from trans sites.

    Here, I'll get you and a couple of others started. Did you know that same sex attraction can shift during a sex change process? Yes, it does. In many cases lesbian women that trans to men begin finding themselves attracted to ....men. This is because the orientation outside of the sex change is same sex - they are attracted to whatever sex they are. Now go do some study and learn something.

    And try to get over your ick factor.

  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 13, 2015 4:51 PM GMT
    I think this is actually a good question and the OP phrased it correctly. Does it do either group much good other than they share some of the same biases and limitations, both are misunderstood for what can be very different reasons.

    I myself, believe it should be considered... I think my degree of understanding isn't sufficient to have a well thought response. I do think this is a great question and deserves focus.
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    Jan 13, 2015 4:56 PM GMT
    meninlove said O I C Rob. This is about just the US is it? rofl. In spite of your narrow minded bigotry about trans people, a great any of them are in fact, gay. I suggest doing some research about trans from trans sites.

    Here, I'll get you and a couple of others started. Did you know that same sex attraction can shift during a sex change process? Yes, it does. In many cases lesbian women that trans to men begin finding themselves attracted to ....men. This is because the orientation outside of the sex change is same sex - they are attracted to whatever sex they are. Now go do some study and learn something.

    And try to get over your ick factor.

    Again you don't know what the hell you are talking about. I am not bigoted against trans people. In case you cannot read and comprehend I have stated earlier that I am not condemning nor am I condoning them. They are just not my cup of tea. There is no ick factor. The trans groups are a tremendous liability to the GLB equality movement because it gives our right wing opponents fertile fodder to condemn us as recruiters to what they think is an unacceptable lifestyle. The trans groups should be set on their own. They are too much of a tremendous risk to our community. We have enough serious problems, we don't need a steel ball and heavy chain at our ankles.
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    Jan 13, 2015 4:57 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidI think this is actually a good question and the OP phrased it correctly. Does it do either group much good other than they share some of the same biases and limitations, both are misunderstood for what can be very different reasons.

    I myself, believe it should be considered... I think my degree of understanding isn't sufficient to have a well thought response. I do think this is a great question and deserves focus.


    The problem here is that this discussion is about some members on RJ. Imagine how you'd feel if this discussion was about you instead of trans and whether you should be included in and supported in equal rights. *winks*
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    Jan 13, 2015 5:15 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    HndsmKansan saidI think this is actually a good question and the OP phrased it correctly. Does it do either group much good other than they share some of the same biases and limitations, both are misunderstood for what can be very different reasons.

    I myself, believe it should be considered... I think my degree of understanding isn't sufficient to have a well thought response. I do think this is a great question and deserves focus.


    The problem here is that this discussion is about some members on RJ. Imagine how you'd feel if this discussion was about you instead of trans and whether you should be included in and supported in equal rights. *winks*
    This discussion is not about some members here on RJ you bumbling, leftist fool. It is about a sub group of people in this case, the transgender folks and whether or not they should remain under our community's umbrella. Kindly stick to the relevant topic at hand.
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    Jan 13, 2015 5:16 PM GMT
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    HndsmKansan saidI think this is actually a good question and the OP phrased it correctly. Does it do either group much good other than they share some of the same biases and limitations, both are misunderstood for what can be very different reasons.

    I myself, believe it should be considered... I think my degree of understanding isn't sufficient to have a well thought response. I do think this is a great question and deserves focus.


    The problem here is that this discussion is about some members on RJ. Imagine how you'd feel if this discussion was about you instead of trans and whether you should be included in and supported in equal rights. *winks*


    I disagree with how some members have phrased their comments but I don't think anyone has said that transgenders don't deserve equal rights (or even hinted at it.) And accusing people of that is just inflammatory and overly dramatic so please stay on topic. The topic at hand is if we think it's appropriate to include them under the same "gay" banner. I for one think not only would we be better off without them but they would gain faster acceptance focusing on their particular cause also. Issues get weakened when too many causes are pursued under the same heading.

    There is another reason I believe it's best to separate our causes. Many gay men are hesitant to come out for this same reason. They don't want to be lumped together with people who are confused about their gender. It's hard enough to come out as a gay man, and now you've got people who automatically assume you want to be a woman when you say you're gay. Yes, it's all due to ignorance but throwing us all into the same pot only worsens the problem.

    And one more thing: The social and religious climate in the U.S. is completely different from Canada. We still have huge parts of the U.S. that are rabid Shiite Christians. Asking them to accept trannies and gays in the same big pill is a hard one to get them to swallow.
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    Jan 13, 2015 5:21 PM GMT
    Oh you're tired of being lumped together with transexuals? You've seen nothing yet. Coming soon: you will be lumped together with NAMBLA and it's only a matter of time.

    There is an undeniable overlap between some segments of gay and NAMBLA "activists", which the LGBTPolitics crowd had been nervously sweeping under the carpet to appear more presentable in the lobby for gay marriage. Now that that's pretty much out of the way in most states, these people will feel more comfortable showing their faces.

    Remember, never join a social/political movement unless you really know who their prominent members are, no matter how well intentioned or good it may seem to your own interests.

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    Jan 13, 2015 5:35 PM GMT
    meninlove said O I C Rob. This is about just the US is it? rofl. In spite of your narrow minded bigotry about trans people, a great any of them are in fact, gay. I suggest doing some research about trans from trans sites.

    Here, I'll get you and a couple of others started. Did you know that same sex attraction can shift during a sex change process? Yes, it does. In many cases lesbian women that trans to men begin finding themselves attracted to ....men. This is because the orientation outside of the sex change is same sex - they are attracted to whatever sex they are. Now go do some study and learn something.

    And try to get over your ick factor.



    As I said before there are gay and lesbian trans people and they belong but because they are gay and lesbian. Most trans people live as straight
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    Jan 13, 2015 5:42 PM GMT
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    meninlove said O I C Rob. This is about just the US is it? rofl. In spite of your narrow minded bigotry about trans people, a great any of them are in fact, gay. I suggest doing some research about trans from trans sites.

    Here, I'll get you and a couple of others started. Did you know that same sex attraction can shift during a sex change process? Yes, it does. In many cases lesbian women that trans to men begin finding themselves attracted to ....men. This is because the orientation outside of the sex change is same sex - they are attracted to whatever sex they are. Now go do some study and learn something.

    And try to get over your ick factor.



    As I said before there are gay and lesbian trans people and they belong but because they are gay and lesbian. Most trans people live as straight


    I see, so let's throw the gay and lesbians trans under the bus because you think most are straight. Ah yes, another day on RJ.
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    Jan 13, 2015 5:50 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    Inque said
    meninlove said O I C Rob. This is about just the US is it? rofl. In spite of your narrow minded bigotry about trans people, a great any of them are in fact, gay. I suggest doing some research about trans from trans sites.

    Here, I'll get you and a couple of others started. Did you know that same sex attraction can shift during a sex change process? Yes, it does. In many cases lesbian women that trans to men begin finding themselves attracted to ....men. This is because the orientation outside of the sex change is same sex - they are attracted to whatever sex they are. Now go do some study and learn something.

    And try to get over your ick factor.



    As I said before there are gay and lesbian trans people and they belong but because they are gay and lesbian. Most trans people live as straight


    I see, so let's throw the gay and lesbians trans under the bus because you think most are straight. Ah yes, another day on RJ.
    Transgenders have very little if anything in common with the GLB community. What part of that don't you understandicon_question.gificon_mad.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 13, 2015 5:52 PM GMT
    After reading this thread, I wouldn't be surprised if it's the G that gets dropped.icon_rolleyes.gif

    (of course then you'd have a BLT, which doubles as a tasty sandwich!) icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 13, 2015 5:54 PM GMT
    Rob what?

    "Transgenders have very little if anything in common with the GLB community"

    And you know this for a fact how? Rofl!

    You know, lesbians are the most accepted of all alternate orientations by straights. Perhaps they should dump the icky gays out of the acronym.

    *highly amused*

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    Jan 13, 2015 5:56 PM GMT
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    meninlove said O I C Rob. This is about just the US is it? rofl. In spite of your narrow minded bigotry about trans people, a great any of them are in fact, gay. I suggest doing some research about trans from trans sites.

    Here, I'll get you and a couple of others started. Did you know that same sex attraction can shift during a sex change process? Yes, it does. In many cases lesbian women that trans to men begin finding themselves attracted to ....men. This is because the orientation outside of the sex change is same sex - they are attracted to whatever sex they are. Now go do some study and learn something.

    And try to get over your ick factor.



    As I said before there are gay and lesbian trans people and they belong but because they are gay and lesbian. Most trans people live as straight


    I see, so let's throw the gay and lesbians trans under the bus because you think most are straight. Ah yes, another day on RJ.


    It really is impossible for you to have a conversation without being a drama queen isn't it? No one wants to throw anyone under the bus. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 13, 2015 6:00 PM GMT
    I can't believe how dense some of you can be. Let me simplify this for the mentally challenged:

    • No one here believes transgenders don't deserve equal rights
    • No one really cares about the percentage of transgenders who are straight
    • If a transgender happens to be gay, then by all means include them
    • We just don't feel that "transgender" should be included as a specific category under the same banner as "gay" because it's a completely separate issue.
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    Jan 13, 2015 6:03 PM GMT
    Radd said
    meninlove said
    Inque said
    meninlove said O I C Rob. This is about just the US is it? rofl. In spite of your narrow minded bigotry about trans people, a great any of them are in fact, gay. I suggest doing some research about trans from trans sites.

    Here, I'll get you and a couple of others started. Did you know that same sex attraction can shift during a sex change process? Yes, it does. In many cases lesbian women that trans to men begin finding themselves attracted to ....men. This is because the orientation outside of the sex change is same sex - they are attracted to whatever sex they are. Now go do some study and learn something.

    And try to get over your ick factor.



    As I said before there are gay and lesbian trans people and they belong but because they are gay and lesbian. Most trans people live as straight


    I see, so let's throw the gay and lesbians trans under the bus because you think most are straight. Ah yes, another day on RJ.


    It really is impossible for you to have a conversation without being a drama queen isn't it? No one wants to throw anyone under the bus. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Are you kidding? We tried to throw you under the bus, but the driver mistook the white sheet you were wearing for a snowbank and swerved to avoid it.
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    Jan 13, 2015 6:11 PM GMT
    *highly amused at Radd's royal 'we'*


    Thankfully, your 'we' amounts to nothing. lol
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    Jan 13, 2015 6:16 PM GMT
    meninlove said *highly amused at Radd's royal 'we'*


    Thankfully, your 'we' amounts to nothing. lol
    Your opinion amounts to nothing. What Radd says is 100% factually correct. Why can't you get that through your thick Canadian national skullicon_question.gificon_mad.gif
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    Jan 13, 2015 6:17 PM GMT
    Radd saidI can't believe how dense some of you can be. Let me simplify this for the mentally challenged:

    • No one here believes transgenders don't deserve equal rights
    • No one really cares about the percentage of transgenders who are straight
    • If a transgender happens to be gay, then by all means include them
    • We just don't feel that "transgender" should be included as a specific category under the same banner as "gay" because it's a completely separate issue.
    Exactly, +200,000
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    Jan 13, 2015 6:18 PM GMT
    meninlove said *highly amused at Radd's royal 'we'*


    Thankfully, your 'we' amounts to nothing. lol

    I'm guessing he's trying to get anyone who insults him banned. Just to warn you!icon_neutral.gif
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    Jan 13, 2015 6:21 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    meninlove said *highly amused at Radd's royal 'we'*


    Thankfully, your 'we' amounts to nothing. lol

    I'm guessing he's trying to get anyone who insults him banned. Just to warn you!icon_neutral.gif
    No, he is just stating the facts. Why can't you EXTREMIST LIBERAL HENS try to open up your minds and comprehend different viewpoints. Now we all know who the ignorant, intolerant ones are on here.
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    Jan 13, 2015 6:22 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    meninlove said *highly amused at Radd's royal 'we'*


    Thankfully, your 'we' amounts to nothing. lol
    Your opinion amounts to nothing. What Radd says is 100% factually correct. Why can't you get that through your thick Canadian national skullicon_question.gificon_mad.gif


    There's the thing, Rob. I don't go on opinion - I did my homework and got to know a sizeable number of trans from different walks of life. How about you?

    *laughing*

    ...and again, just because a few of you (the 'we') got on your soapboxes and denigrated another marginalized minority and think they should get booted off the acronym does in fact amount to nothing. Your poor ego.


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    Jan 13, 2015 6:23 PM GMT
    meninlove said *highly amused at Radd's royal 'we'*


    Thankfully, your 'we' amounts to nothing. lol


    That's fucking hilarious considering you're the one who always speaks in "we" terms. icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 13, 2015 6:25 PM GMT
    Radd said
    meninlove said *highly amused at Radd's royal 'we'*


    Thankfully, your 'we' amounts to nothing. lol


    That's fucking hilarious considering you're the one who always speaks in "we" terms. icon_lol.gif


    rofl, you know that when I say we it usually means Bill and I. There are after all two of us. *falls out of chair laughing*