If you ever doubted Fox News makes stuff up....

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    Jan 12, 2015 5:55 PM GMT
    bobbobbob said@ hotjoe about this....


    What's ironic is that the woman interviewing him (can't remember her name; it's Judge-something) went on to make much more incendiary comments about how we need to arm 1.6 billion Muslims so that they can kill the 200,000 million supposed extremists within their religion. (I'm paraphrasing it. It sounded a lot more bloodthirsty the way she actually said it.)


    "arm 1.6 billion Muslims"

    Well, that's one way I suppose, but I'd prefer not to arm any Muslims.

    I'm sure there's a clip floating around. She came off as a genocidal maniac.

    I happened to have Fox on when she came on the air... I didn't hear the comment you're talking about. I was too busy emailing Fox about having a 50+ year old woman in a black leather low cut dress on as a news show host who's called a judge of anything besides inappropriate wardrobe.

    If you want to hear genocidal maniacs you should listen to more of the immigrant muslims who've come to the US and aren't afraid to speak up about Islam and what needs to be done. They make Glenn Beck sound like a pacifist. And the ones I'm talking about are college educated doctors, psychiatrists, engineers and even some former jihadists and members of the Saudi royal family.


    LOL! Keep on keepin' on, bob! Add at least one former US Army Major to your list ... and follow the ever-increasing reports of how Muslims on campus interpret free speech.
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    Jan 12, 2015 5:56 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidOK this the clip I found from the previous day. It's not the same as the one from last night, but it will suffice. This is typical Fox News commentary. There are dozens of similar clips:



    No, it won't suffice. Either post the real thing or post nothing at all, i.e., your usual tripe.
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    Jan 12, 2015 5:58 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Callumity said
    bobbobbob said@ hotjoe about this....


    What's ironic is that the woman interviewing him (can't remember her name; it's Judge-something) went on to make much more incendiary comments about how we need to arm 1.6 billion Muslims so that they can kill the 200,000 million supposed extremists within their religion. (I'm paraphrasing it. It sounded a lot more bloodthirsty the way she actually said it.)


    "arm 1.6 billion Muslims"

    Well, that's one way I suppose, but I'd prefer not to arm any Muslims.

    I'm sure there's a clip floating around. She came off as a genocidal maniac.

    I happened to have Fox on when she came on the air... I didn't hear the comment you're talking about. I was too busy emailing Fox about having a 50+ year old woman in a black leather low cut dress on as a news show host who's called a judge of anything besides inappropriate wardrobe.

    If you want to hear genocidal maniacs you should listen to more of the immigrant muslims who've come to the US and aren't afraid to speak up about Islam and what needs to be done. They make Glenn Beck sound like a pacifist. And the ones I'm talking about are college educated doctors, psychiatrists, engineers and even some former jihadists and members of the Saudi royal family.


    Where did you read that? xD

    One thing that's very clear is Fox News is a joke of a news source. It's only means is to deliver hate their brain dead viewership.

    At least with this thread RJers from abroad can see where the poison that floods the political forums actually stems from.


    Yes, as others have noted/counseled/advised, your posts are a constant source of embarrassment to us all.

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    Jan 12, 2015 6:01 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Piccadilly said
    freedomisntfree said
    Callumity said

    One thing that's very clear is Fox News is a joke of a news source. It's only means is to deliver hate their brain dead viewership.


    How so?


    They still won't admit they have a bias. If they're not even honest about what they are, it says a lot about what they do.

    Many people confuse the hard news programs with the commentary programs. The commentary programs are known to reflect the opinions of the hosts. Some such as O'Reilly often have liberals on the same segment with conservatives. Juan Williams, who appears often, is a liberal and also African-American. I have never seen a valid bias charge against the hard news programs or segments.


    Right you are, SCF, which says a lot about some viewers' inability to distinguish fact from opinion. The only bias charge against Juan Williams, whom I admire and respect greatly for his smarts and courage, I know of was when the CPB-NPR-PBS Axis tossed him for appearing on FNC. Your tax dollars at work.
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    Jan 12, 2015 6:10 PM GMT
    MGINSD said
    HottJoe saidOK this the clip I found from the previous day. It's not the same as the one from last night, but it will suffice. This is typical Fox News commentary. There are dozens of similar clips:



    No, it won't suffice. Either post the real thing or post nothing at all, i.e., your usual tripe.

    How does this not suffice? She keeps repeating herself and digging deeper. On her show last night, she was responding to her critics. This is the commentary they were criticizing her for. Two different news casts, on consecutive days, basically saying the same thing. Only last night she started pulling numbers out of her ass.icon_lol.gif

    Why not watch the video and comment on it?
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    Jan 12, 2015 6:10 PM GMT
    Rowing_Ant said
    mx5guynj said1. He's a Democrat.
    2. He issued an apology.
    3. He was never a Foxnews employee, simply someone they were interviewing.
    4. Emerson has been referred to by the liberal New York Times as "an expert on intelligence", and by the liberal New York Post as "the nation's foremost journalistic expert on terrorism".



    He is still reporting missinformation. It doesn't matter who says the interviewer was and is supported by, a reputable news outlet would fact check; the response of the presenter in the studio was just hideous - she could have challenged him; questioned him in a vigorous manner as a journalist would do rather than just look appauled.

    Thank G*d for the BBC.


    Too few news organizations do adequate fact checking. Sometimes errors are more amusing than damaging but do reveal carelessness.

    When I was working for a former employer, a newspaper article covered what a couple of the interns were doing; they were developing software to help debug computer programs. According to the news article, the debugging software would make debugging completely automatic so programmers would never again have to do the debugging. Of course anyone who knows anything about programming computers would know that that was total nonsense, yet no ulterior motives could be attributed to the writer of the article. The writer simply did not understand the subject about which he was writing and did not bother to have a more knowledgable person proof-read it.

    An article written by a journalist in Afghanistan referred to an evaporative cooler as an old fashioned air conditioner. Where he got that idea I have no idea. Evaporative coolers (often called swamp coolers) are quite common in areas of the U.S. which have a very dry climate and are by no means old fashioned. That error was not the result of bias; rather, it was the result of ignorance.

    Usually when I read an article about a subject with which I am very familiar, I can find errors. Most often, the errors are the result of careless reporting rather than bias. I have to assume that when I read articles about subjects with which I am less familiar that they also contain errors, but ones which I cannot detect. Of course some errors are the result of intentional distortion; those tend to be more serious.
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    Jan 12, 2015 6:13 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Many people confuse the hard news programs with the commentary programs. The commentary programs are known to reflect the opinions of the hosts. Some such as O'Reilly often have liberals on the same segment with conservatives. Juan Williams, who appears often, is a liberal and also African-American. I have never seen a valid bias charge against the hard news programs or segments.


    So what? How many commentary programs are hosted by liberals? The only one I can think of is Bob Beckel on The Five, who shares the panel with 4 conservatives.

    You can't claim you're a "fair & balanced" news network when all your prime time hosts are conservative, even if they're just commentators.
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    Jan 12, 2015 6:15 PM GMT
    FRE0 said
    HottJoe saidFox News has declared a war on Islam. They basically say moderate Muslims support extremists, because they take the Quran literally, and that the religion either needs to be reformed, or eradicated.


    Fortunately, most of us Christians do not take most of the Old Testament literally. If we did, we'd behave as badly as the Muslim extremists. As I see it, much of the OT is simply the history of the ancient Hebrews and, as erudite people know, when people write their own history, they distort it to rationalize the ghastly things they have done. Other parts of the OT are a reflection of ancient Hebrew culture, much of which I'm sure God would not approve. The parts which encourage kindness and social justice are what should concern us. The NT emphasizes kindness and social justice.

    Muslims accept much of the OT, but many accept parts of the OT which can be used to rationalize barbaric behavior. Therein lies the problem.

    Doing searches on both the Koran and the Hadith reveals that many passages rationalize ghastly behavior (just as some parts of the OT do) although many passages emphasize fairness and justice. Moderate Muslims de-emphasize those parts which rationalize ghastly behavior, but the radical fundamentalists single out parts of the Koran and Hadith which support barbaric behavior.

    That's what terrorists say.icon_sad.gif

    Btw, the New Testament damns the rich, while supporting slavery. It's not hard to trumpet much of that up to intolerance, discrimination, or hate speech, as well, which has been done in the past. The KKK is a Christian terrorist group, after all.
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    Jan 12, 2015 6:16 PM GMT
    e2ksj3355 said
    Kovyn saidAnd yet they still have more viewers than CNN and MSNBC put together, on a bad day. Cool bro.


    I think that's what drives me nuts the most, they actually have a large audience!! That's why half the country believes that Obama is from Kenya and we have all these nutty politicians in office now.

    I wish people would really do their homework on things and just don't listen to pundits on TV. Especially ones saying stuff that is completely coming out of their ass! icon_rolleyes.gif


    The hoi polloi tend to access information that supports what they already believe. More intellectual people make a point of examining multiple viewpoints.

    It has been known for many decades that once people have made up their minds, they tend to filter out information that does not support what they already believe. Obviously that can create serious problems.
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    Jan 12, 2015 6:18 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Rowing_Ant said
    mx5guynj said1. He's a Democrat.
    2. He issued an apology.
    3. He was never a Foxnews employee, simply someone they were interviewing.
    4. Emerson has been referred to by the liberal New York Times as "an expert on intelligence", and by the liberal New York Post as "the nation's foremost journalistic expert on terrorism".



    He is still reporting missinformation. It doesn't matter who says the interviewer was and is supported by, a reputable news outlet would fact check; the response of the presenter in the studio was just hideous - she could have challenged him; questioned him in a vigorous manner as a journalist would do rather than just look appauled.

    Thank G*d for the BBC.

    I watch and listen to the BBC, but I've been disappointed by them at times, as well. They have their own biases, which can make them lose some credibility. They're like NPR, and they sometimes come off as elitist.

    Like another poster already said, you can't trust any 1 source of news. They are all profiting off their own narrative.

    P.S. Why use an asterisk for the "O" in God? Is that slang? Or are you actually censoring yourself? He's not Voldermort! icon_lol.gif


    Many Jews avoid spelling out "God". There is a Biblical reason for that. Perhaps a Jew here can explain it better than I could.
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    Jan 12, 2015 6:20 PM GMT
    FRE0 said
    HottJoe said
    Rowing_Ant said
    mx5guynj said1. He's a Democrat.
    2. He issued an apology.
    3. He was never a Foxnews employee, simply someone they were interviewing.
    4. Emerson has been referred to by the liberal New York Times as "an expert on intelligence", and by the liberal New York Post as "the nation's foremost journalistic expert on terrorism".



    He is still reporting missinformation. It doesn't matter who says the interviewer was and is supported by, a reputable news outlet would fact check; the response of the presenter in the studio was just hideous - she could have challenged him; questioned him in a vigorous manner as a journalist would do rather than just look appauled.

    Thank G*d for the BBC.

    I watch and listen to the BBC, but I've been disappointed by them at times, as well. They have their own biases, which can make them lose some credibility. They're like NPR, and they sometimes come off as elitist.

    Like another poster already said, you can't trust any 1 source of news. They are all profiting off their own narrative.

    P.S. Why use an asterisk for the "O" in God? Is that slang? Or are you actually censoring yourself? He's not Voldermort! icon_lol.gif


    Many Jews avoid spelling out "God". There is a Biblical reason for that. Perhaps a Jew here can explain it better than I could.

    It's just superstition though.icon_confused.gif
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    Jan 12, 2015 6:25 PM GMT
    Piccadilly said
    socalfitness said
    Many people confuse the hard news programs with the commentary programs. The commentary programs are known to reflect the opinions of the hosts. Some such as O'Reilly often have liberals on the same segment with conservatives. Juan Williams, who appears often, is a liberal and also African-American. I have never seen a valid bias charge against the hard news programs or segments.


    So what? How many commentary programs are hosted by liberals? The only one I can think of is Bob Beckel on The Five, who shares the panel with 4 conservatives.

    You can't claim you're a "fair & balanced" news network when all your prime time hosts are conservative, even if they're just commentators.

    The charge of bias is relevant if it applies to hard news. The commentary programs can have bias. That is the nature of commentary. Stossel who hosts a program is probably best described as a libertarian. Greta Van Susteren's program is pretty much middle of the road. My impression in her opinion segments (Off the Record) get gets annoyed with both sides equally.

    As far as your main comment about no liberal commentary programs in prime time, you are correct. But no one alleges they are hard news programs and do not reflect the bias of the hosts. So there's no dishonesty here. As far as the lack of prime time commentary programs hosted by liberals, such programs would not likely be sustainable from a business perspective. There are many other options for that on other networks.

    Bottom line - if you want to claim they are not fair and balanced because of the lack of liberal commentary programs in prime time, go ahead. Most people I have talked to and read apply the label only to hard news. Speaking of hard news, I have seen many items not covered on the other networks' news programs and major papers such as the NY Times because they don't fit the liberal agenda. So as far as I'm concerned - Fox provides a balance to that - something the liberals hate.
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    Jan 12, 2015 6:26 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidOK this the clip I found from the previous day. It's not the same as the one from last night, but it will suffice. This is typical Fox News commentary. There are dozens of similar clips:



    Although I can understand her viewpoint, it is exceedingly dangerous. For one things, arms given to moderate Muslims to fight the radical Islamists could easily end up in the wrong hands; it has happened before.
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    Jan 12, 2015 6:31 PM GMT
    FRE0 said
    HottJoe saidOK this the clip I found from the previous day. It's not the same as the one from last night, but it will suffice. This is typical Fox News commentary. There are dozens of similar clips:



    Although I can understand her viewpoint, it is exceedingly dangerous. For one things, arms given to moderate Muslims to fight the radical Islamists could easily end up in the wrong hands; it has happened before.

    It's not just that. She's demanding that Muslims commit genocide against other Muslims. She's sick in the head.
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    Jan 12, 2015 6:36 PM GMT
    Piccadilly said
    socalfitness said
    Many people confuse the hard news programs with the commentary programs. The commentary programs are known to reflect the opinions of the hosts. Some such as O'Reilly often have liberals on the same segment with conservatives. Juan Williams, who appears often, is a liberal and also African-American. I have never seen a valid bias charge against the hard news programs or segments.


    So what? How many commentary programs are hosted by liberals? The only one I can think of is Bob Beckel on The Five, who shares the panel with 4 conservatives.

    You can't claim you're a "fair & balanced" news network when all your prime time hosts are conservative, even if they're just commentators.


    I'll answer your query with a story, which I may have told here before, so forgive me if I repeat myself: I was visiting some liberal friends recently when the husband was called in to help his 101 y.o. father-in-law find CNBC on the TV. After several minutes of exasperation, the former blurted out, "I can't find the damn thing! What's the difference between CNBC and MSNBC anyway?" To which I replied, to his scowls, "Rachel Maddow."

    Add her, Chris Matthews, and a few others whom I'm sure others will fill in below, to your list which, I note was not limited to "prime time" commentators.

    And yes, FNC CAN properly support its claim to provide F&B news, while offering conservative/libertarian commentary. That's the essence of the news/opinion distinction, which many are incapable of making. I will say this about FNC, which is one of the reasons I like it: they are not afraid to tell it like it is and report stories that the MSM actively suppress.
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    Jan 12, 2015 7:04 PM GMT
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    mx5guynj said1. He's a Democrat.
    2. He issued an apology.
    3. He was never a Foxnews employee, simply someone they were interviewing.
    4. Emerson has been referred to by the liberal New York Times as "an expert on intelligence", and by the liberal New York Post as "the nation's foremost journalistic expert on terrorism".


    Thanks for telling it like it is!


    Bullshit.

    That NYT quote is from 1988*. This guy's been discredited since the 1990s.

    So painting this guy as being held credible by the NYT and then backing the guy finger painting with his own shit is another wonderful example of the thinking of the GOP = Gobs Of Poop.

    *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Emerson
    Martin Tolchin and Richard Halloran, "Washington Talk Briefing; Undercover Talk," The New York Times, June 1, 1988 (footnote #48 )


    Adrienne Edgar, writing in The New York Times Book Review described Emerson and Cristina del Sesto's 1991 book Terrorist, as "marred by factual errors (such as mistranslations of Arabic names) and marked by "a pervasive anti-Arab and anti-Palestinian bias."[


    Here's how the NYT characterizes him today...

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/01/12/world/europe/ap-eu-britain-fox-news-muslims.html?_r=0
    ...Steven Emerson, an American author whose website describes him as a leading authority on Islamic extremist networks...


    That's the only story advanced google search shows on this guy in the NYT in the past year and taking out dates it looks he hasn't even been mentioned by the Times since a book review in 2001, though I only scanned a few pages of that.

    So, NO. The New York Times does not tout this guy as an expert, not since he outed himself as a fraud nearly a generation ago.

    You people are so full of GOP. It seems you can't get enough of it. You just take shit from your fellow Republicans and swallow it as nutritious truth.

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    Typical Republican behavior
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    Jan 12, 2015 7:07 PM GMT
    Rowing_Ant saidSo, OK. According to Fox News, Birmingham in the UK - where I have friends and have visited - is entirely Muslim and non-Muslims can't go there; that Sharia law is enforced.

    Complete and utter rubbish of the highest order.

    But yet, no doubt some idiots will hoover it up. I don't think the "reporter" has ever left the US

    ARGH.

    (Oh and yes, obviously I have a left-wing, pro Obama bias because Fox News is the fount of all wisdom icon_rolleyes.gif ).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwq8Bwr9wUg&feature=youtu.be


    It's been proven over and over that everyone makes up news. New York Times, Washington Post and most recently Rolling Stone. Randolf Hearst make a fortune creating the news.
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    Jan 12, 2015 8:13 PM GMT
    Yes some news outlets are less honest than others; take for example the gutter Tabloid press in the UK (the red tops) which in their SUnday editions print things like "My son turned into a fishfinger" or "Submarine found on moon" (and yes, they did print things like that).

    From UK news sources, this "expert" on terrorism was a"self-appointed" expert.

    This interview on Fox was a deliberate attempt at scaremongering. Spreading fear through lies.

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    Jan 12, 2015 8:19 PM GMT
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    HottJoe saidOK this the clip I found from the previous day. It's not the same as the one from last night, but it will suffice. This is typical Fox News commentary. There are dozens of similar clips:



    Although I can understand her viewpoint, it is exceedingly dangerous. For one things, arms given to moderate Muslims to fight the radical Islamists could easily end up in the wrong hands; it has happened before.


    My concern also.
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    Jan 12, 2015 8:43 PM GMT
    The fact they had an "expert" on, who obviously didnt fact check - and nor did they check him - who spouted such utter rubbish which is incredibly easy to refute is mind boggling. It's just stupid. What response did they/he think that the people of Birmingham or the UK would be? What would make someone say such blatently wrong comments about Birmingham, and, I also undestand, London when they can be so easily proved to be false?

    Then again, if you believe that type of reporting, then any response from Birmginham to say "no we don't have no-go zones" would, to such a person be "yeah, they would say that".
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    Jan 12, 2015 8:55 PM GMT
    When people try to defend Fox as a credible "news" organization:

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    Jan 12, 2015 9:00 PM GMT
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    Many Jews avoid spelling out "God". There is a Biblical reason for that. Perhaps a Jew here can explain it better than I could.

    The Torah forbids writing the name of God. In Hebrew scripture, "Adonai" (God) is abbreviated with two yuds---they look like this: ''

    Even more strictly, the seriously Orthodox will only say "Adonai" as part of specific prayers. In daily usage, they refer to "Hashem", which means literally "The Name" or, to put it more gothically, "He Who Cannot Be Named".
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    Jan 12, 2015 9:14 PM GMT
    FRE0 saidMany Jews avoid spelling out "God". There is a Biblical reason for that. Perhaps a Jew here can explain it better than I could.


    Nothing scriptural. Merely convention. It's in case what you have written becomes damaged, defaced or destroyed.
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    Jan 12, 2015 9:19 PM GMT
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    Right Web is a program of the Institute for Policy Studies (IPS) that assesses the work of prominent organizations and individuals—both in and out of government—who promote militarist U.S. foreign and defense policies, with a special focus on the “war on terror” and the Middle East. Right Web aims to foster informed public debate about these policies with feature articles and profiles of individuals and organizations that examine political discourses and institutional allegiances over time.

    Efforts to push militaristic policies cross party lines, and so Right Web examines individuals and organizations across the political spectrum, as well as “nonpartisan” political actors. Reporters, researchers, and analysts have come to rely on Right Web for its well-documented research and analysis.


    http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Emerson_Steven
    ...Although he has been repeatedly criticized for producing faulty analyses and having a distinctly anti-Islamic agenda, Emerson is a frequent guest commentator on FoxNews, MSNBC, and other news programs...
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    Jan 13, 2015 1:58 AM GMT
    Yeah, news is dead. Time to plant a garden.