Inque saidRyyyder has a point.
Too many bisexuals are out to gay men and expect us to accept them but yet they don't demand the same thing from women because they know women don't like it and instead of trying to foster a relationship with a man. They can't because they are incapable. It's all about women to them because it's all about trying to deny their true sexuality.
Im gonna be blunt here so maybe you and Ryder finally understand. It's easier to have a relationship and project a future with a woman than with a man. Ive been there and done that (try to have a proper relationship with a guy), but unlike you, Im not using my personal experiences as a general example, Instead Im talking of this objectively:
Gay men tend to be self absorbed, selfish, they put themselves first and then the rest. Anyone can see that attitude in the thread "why gay men dont want to have kids". Women on the other hand focus on things that are not so shallow, for example a woman wont give you hell because you have a hairy back or put you down if you gain weight, basically you won't get any of that shit with them because they value other things more.
Now if youre bisexual and the kind of guy who's still living your life like in your early 20s and all you care about is fucking around and collecting STD then you should definitely move to the gay side. But if you're bisexual and already had your fun and now want to settle down you will be much luckier getting yourself a girl. Its exchanging the gay club on saturday night or trips all year long for the sunday barbaque with friends and the kids. As simple as that. The gay community isn't shaped for the monogamous easy going lifestyle.
You don't even see how you are obviously proving our point ! ...smh This post proves that ... and where do you get off thinking that women prefer hairy men ?? Lol Almost every woman I've met says they cant stand a guy with too much hair, much less hair on there back. On the other hand i here gay guys rave about how much they looooveee hairy men all the time ( lots of threads here on that too ). Anyway I think you need to re-read what you just wrote and think about how that obviously proves our points on how we feels about bisexuals. If you feel what you're saying is true that just proves that there is no reason gays should allow bisexuals in our circles. You have no respect for us and just see us as vessels to fuck !
If anything my little post shows how I had tried to do something with a guy and I couldn't and how gays are generally not suited for that kind of homey life style.
So if your point is that gay man should shut down the doors to bisexuals because some of them are not the slutty type then you're completely right. Gays should get along with men that act and behave the same way and not the type that wants to have a more committed relationship. In that case I completely agree with you bisexuals and gays shouldn't mix.
David - seriously Dude, it's time to give up arguing in circles. You are proving everyone's points with every word you post -- and I don't even entirely agree with many of the points they made.
You had ONE (1) relationship with another Man and you think you are some sort of expert?!?!?!? Exactly how many is "way too many" that you have spoken to on RJ (one  site) that has given you such expertise into the dynamics and psyche of ALL Gay Men and their respective relationships.
You don't wanna hang with Gay Dudes - no problems there. I don't see any lining up to get your attention. I DO see a Guy who has clearly had his feelings hurt ONCE, can't get over it, is desperately trying to live a patriarchal fantasy of backyard bar-b-cues and little league soccer games all while seemingly unable to extricate himself from the very group he claims to have so many negative issues with.
I get you may enjoy exchanging ideas with other people, Men in particular, but you have chosen a VERY particular site to voice your opinions and the topics, opinions and outcomes are ALWAYS the same.
You have made your point. Believe whatever you need to in order to find comfort and solace in the life you are leading. More power to you. But the fat lady sang, the curtain went down, the house lights came up and the audience went home.
At this point your just repeating yourself to an empty house and a few crickets.
Wow it seems some people dont know what bisexual means. Whether Im with a girl or a guy there are urges that will always be there, that doesnt mean I will act on it (like most assume). I can be on this site or any other gay site and still be happy living with my girl, one thing wont rule out the other.
RJ keeps me in touch with something thats part of me too, I don't see anything wrong with it as you try to make it seem. Things are not black or white, there is a wide range of greys and I have no problems with it. Now, experience has showed me that relationship-wise guys are not very trust worthy, and not only that, I see it every day in the forums and the threads people make.
Maybe some of you are so used to that way of living that lost all notions on how things could be but that's your issue not mine. If I have to choose a side (and I have to) I choose the one Im more confortable with, and guess what I LOVE barbaques and football! Maybe if the gay community had other characteristics I would choose the gay side.
Actually If I happened to know a guy that's on the same page that me I would be in a relationship with him, which proves your theory wrong. But that hasn't happened and since I have other options I just pick the one that suits me best.
I am well aware of what bisexual means David. I am 46, out since 14, travelled the world and mixed with every race, creed, social class and orientation on the planet.
I don't think anyone on RJ is particularly interested in how you choose to act on your orientation.
The issue you create is coming on a Gay Men's site to "keep in touch with something that is part" of you while degrading, debasing, insulting, putting down and GROSSLY (and wildly incorrectly) generalizing the very constituency that you claim to want to keep in touch with.
Want bar-b-ques and football? Cool. Go for it. LOTS OF GUYS ON RJ DO. You are not the terminally unique creation you seem to think you are.
And for the record - YOUR notion of "how things could be" may simply not apply or appeal to everyone, Gay, Staight, bi or otherwise.
Follow your dreams and notions of what works for you without ramming it down everyone's throat as some sort of pre-ordained ideal
Simply put, you are as welcome here as any other Dude - but you will quickly wear out that welcome if you insist on continually castigating everyone here while demanding validation of your PERSONAL theories as gospel. Theories which quite frankly are half-baked at best since they are based on an EXTREMELY limited amount of experience.
And so what...two or three people called you names and made fun of your profession. Big deal. It is no reflection on who you really are or the value of what you do. It certainly isn't a justification for the kind of (at times violent) defensiveness you have displayed.
If you want to keep in touch with a particular part of yourself with other like minded Men, then do that and stop pushing so many away.