Whats with gays denying the existence of bisexuals?

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    David3K saidFor what I see from the replies here bisexuals get on with their lives while gay people get stuck in meaningless non-exclusive relationships that usually end up when the uglier partner grows a belly. And then you wonder why bisexuals prefer the straight world over the gay one icon_rolleyes.gif


    That's an incredibly naive statement David that degrades the legitimacy of any valid point you may be trying to make.

    Even if that IS the conclusion you are garnering from the replies in this one thread, it is hardly a legitimate conclusion of the ENTIRE Gay Community ( which I happen to personally believe does to a great extent include bi individuals).

    Of course the bi Men and Women I have personally known and/or dated were never quite as defensive as you are nor were they ever looking to pick fights with rhetorical questions/topics and draw so many lines in the proverbial sand.

    It could easily be said from the replies and comments you tend to post, you prefer the Straight Community, lean more towards that particular direction and have little respect or use for the Gay Community as a whole.

    Which makes Me (and I am sure countless others) wonder why you choose to spend SO much time on a notoriously Gay Men's site questioning their values, ethics, choices and sexuality all while taking a nice long look at them in their underwear.


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    David3K saidFor what I see from the replies here bisexuals get on with their lives while gay people get stuck in meaningless non-exclusive relationships that usually end up when the uglier partner grows a belly. And then you wonder why bisexuals prefer the straight world over the gay one icon_rolleyes.gif


    That's an incredibly naive statement David that degrades the legitimacy of any valid point you may be trying to make.

    Even if that IS the conclusion you are garnering from the replies in this one thread, it is hardly a legitimate conclusion of the ENTIRE Gay Community ( which I happen to personally believe does to a great extent include bi individuals).

    Of course the bi Men and Women I have personally known and/or dated were never quite as defensive as you are nor were they ever looking to pick fights with rhetorical questions/topics and draw so many lines in the proverbial sand.

    It could easily be said from the replies and comments you tend to post, you prefer the Straight Community, lean more towards that particular direction and have little respect or use for the Gay Community as a whole.

    Which makes Me (and I am sure countless others) wonder why you choose to spend SO much time on a notoriously Gay Men's site questioning their values, ethics, choices and sexuality all while taking a nice long look at them in their underwear.



    YAAAAAAAAAAAS! That's the point everyone has been trying to make about these people!
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    Jan 19, 2015 6:29 PM GMT
    Inque saidRyyyder has a point.

    Too many bisexuals are out to gay men and expect us to accept them but yet they don't demand the same thing from women because they know women don't like it and instead of trying to foster a relationship with a man. They can't because they are incapable. It's all about women to them because it's all about trying to deny their true sexuality.


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    Inque saidRyyyder has a point.

    Too many bisexuals are out to gay men and expect us to accept them but yet they don't demand the same thing from women because they know women don't like it and instead of trying to foster a relationship with a man. They can't because they are incapable. It's all about women to them because it's all about trying to deny their true sexuality.


    Im gonna be blunt here so maybe you and Ryder finally understand. It's easier to have a relationship and project a future with a woman than with a man. Ive been there and done that (try to have a proper relationship with a guy), but unlike you, Im not using my personal experiences as a general example, Instead Im talking of this objectively:

    Gay men tend to be self absorbed, selfish, they put themselves first and then the rest. Anyone can see that attitude in the thread "why gay men dont want to have kids". Women on the other hand focus on things that are not so shallow, for example a woman wont give you hell because you have a hairy back or put you down if you gain weight, basically you won't get any of that shit with them because they value other things more.

    Now if youre bisexual and the kind of guy who's still living your life like in your early 20s and all you care about is fucking around and collecting STD then you should definitely move to the gay side. But if you're bisexual and already had your fun and now want to settle down you will be much luckier getting yourself a girl. Its exchanging the gay club on saturday night or trips all year long for the sunday barbaque with friends and the kids. As simple as that. The gay community isn't shaped for the monogamous easy going lifestyle.
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    Inque saidRyyyder has a point.

    Too many bisexuals are out to gay men and expect us to accept them but yet they don't demand the same thing from women because they know women don't like it and instead of trying to foster a relationship with a man. They can't because they are incapable. It's all about women to them because it's all about trying to deny their true sexuality.


    Im gonna be blunt here so maybe you and Ryder finally understand. It's easier to have a relationship and project a future with a woman than with a man. Ive been there and done that (try to have a proper relationship with a guy), but unlike you, Im not using my personal experiences as a general example, Instead Im talking of this objectively:

    Gay men tend to be self absorbed, selfish, they put themselves first and then the rest. Anyone can see that attitude in the thread "why gay men dont want to have kids". Women on the other hand focus on things that are not so shallow, for example a woman wont give you hell because you have a hairy back or put you down if you gain weight, basically you won't get any of that shit with them because they value other things more.

    Now if youre bisexual and the kind of guy who's still living your life like in your early 20s and all you care is about fucking around and collecting STD then you should definitely move to the gay side. But if you're bisexual and already had your fun and now want to settle down you will be much luckier getting yourself a girl. Its exchanging the gay club on saturday night or trips all year long for the sunday barbaque with friends and the kids. As simple as that. The gay community isn't shaped for the monogamous lifestyle.


    You're pretty much just confirming what we've been saying the whole time. Bisexual men use gay men for sex and when they want to play the role of Mr. Straight Man they find a woman but NEVER or should I say rarely do they force her to accept their sexuality in the way they demand it of gay men. And there are plenty of monogamous gay relationships just as there are plenty of polyamorous straight relationships. If you don't think straights cheat or have open relationships then you are clearly only looking at the world with rose tinted glasses.

    And you don't think women are shallow? You're putting your frustrations onto a gender that promotes the sickly thin look among other women. Any woman will tell you the biggest critic of women is women. Women can be just as shallow and superficial as man. You think there are men who talk down on you being a construction worker? Hell then you've never met the average American woman.
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    Inque saidRyyyder has a point.

    Too many bisexuals are out to gay men and expect us to accept them but yet they don't demand the same thing from women because they know women don't like it and instead of trying to foster a relationship with a man. They can't because they are incapable. It's all about women to them because it's all about trying to deny their true sexuality.


    Im gonna be blunt here so maybe you and Ryder finally understand. It's easier to have a relationship and project a future with a woman than with a man. Ive been there and done that (try to have a proper relationship with a guy), but unlike you, Im not using my personal experiences as a general example, Instead Im talking of this objectively:

    Gay men tend to be self absorbed, selfish, they put themselves first and then the rest. Anyone can see that attitude in the thread "why gay men dont want to have kids". Women on the other hand focus on things that are not so shallow, for example a woman wont give you hell because you have a hairy back or put you down if you gain weight, basically you won't get any of that shit with them because they value other things more.

    Now if youre bisexual and the kind of guy who's still living your life like in your early 20s and all you care about is fucking around and collecting STD then you should definitely move to the gay side. But if you're bisexual and already had your fun and now want to settle down you will be much luckier getting yourself a girl. Its exchanging the gay club on saturday night or trips all year long for the sunday barbaque with friends and the kids. As simple as that. The gay community isn't shaped for the monogamous easy going lifestyle.


    You don't even see how you are obviously proving our point ! ...smh This post proves that ... and where do you get off thinking that women prefer hairy men ?? Lol Almost every woman I've met says they cant stand a guy with too much hair, much less hair on there back. On the other hand i here gay guys rave about how much they looooveee hairy men all the time ( lots of threads here on that too ). Anyway I think you need to re-read what you just wrote and think about how that obviously proves our points on how we feels about bisexuals. If you feel what you're saying is true that just proves that there is no reason gays should allow bisexuals in our circles. You have no respect for us and just see us as vessels to fuck !
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    David3K saidFor what I see from the replies here bisexuals get on with their lives while gay people get stuck in meaningless non-exclusive relationships that usually end up when the uglier partner grows a belly. And then you wonder why bisexuals prefer the straight world over the gay one icon_rolleyes.gif


    That's an incredibly naive statement David that degrades the legitimacy of any valid point you may be trying to make.

    Even if that IS the conclusion you are garnering from the replies in this one thread, it is hardly a legitimate conclusion of the ENTIRE Gay Community ( which I happen to personally believe does to a great extent include bi individuals).

    Of course the bi Men and Women I have personally known and/or dated were never quite as defensive as you are nor were they ever looking to pick fights with rhetorical questions/topics and draw so many lines in the proverbial sand.

    It could easily be said from the replies and comments you tend to post, you prefer the Straight Community, lean more towards that particular direction and have little respect or use for the Gay Community as a whole.

    Which makes Me (and I am sure countless others) wonder why you choose to spend SO much time on a notoriously Gay Men's site questioning their values, ethics, choices and sexuality all while taking a nice long look at them in their underwear.


    How not to be defensive when you have a self loathing racist saying that bisexuals are not capable of loving a person of the same gender? All this bullshit coming from people who had no experience in the love department ever, it's ridiculous they even have an opinion on this.

    I do respect the gay community even though it never did a thing for me. All I got from it were sluts and crazy stalkers, and Im not even exaggerating. The only time I fell in love with a guy I didn't even got him from "the gay community". Basically the gay community is there and I let it be.

    I enjoy RJ, I say it with no shame, I enjoy the topics and exchanging ideas, specially in rainy stormy days when I dont get to work. Amusingly im not into most of the guys most of you concider "eye candy" they dont do much for me, I do like men but not the type that ussually comes to RJ. I still enjoy the threads, info and discussions.



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    David3K said
    Inque saidRyyyder has a point.

    Too many bisexuals are out to gay men and expect us to accept them but yet they don't demand the same thing from women because they know women don't like it and instead of trying to foster a relationship with a man. They can't because they are incapable. It's all about women to them because it's all about trying to deny their true sexuality.


    Im gonna be blunt here so maybe you and Ryder finally understand. It's easier to have a relationship and project a future with a woman than with a man. Ive been there and done that (try to have a proper relationship with a guy), but unlike you, Im not using my personal experiences as a general example, Instead Im talking of this objectively:

    Gay men tend to be self absorbed, selfish, they put themselves first and then the rest. Anyone can see that attitude in the thread "why gay men dont want to have kids". Women on the other hand focus on things that are not so shallow, for example a woman wont give you hell because you have a hairy back or put you down if you gain weight, basically you won't get any of that shit with them because they value other things more.

    Now if youre bisexual and the kind of guy who's still living your life like in your early 20s and all you care about is fucking around and collecting STD then you should definitely move to the gay side. But if you're bisexual and already had your fun and now want to settle down you will be much luckier getting yourself a girl. Its exchanging the gay club on saturday night or trips all year long for the sunday barbaque with friends and the kids. As simple as that. The gay community isn't shaped for the monogamous easy going lifestyle.


    You don't even see how you are obviously proving our point ! ...smh This post proves that ... and where do you get off thinking that women prefer hairy men ?? Lol Almost every woman I've met says they cant stand a guy with too much hair, much less hair on there back. On the other hand I hear gay guys rave about how much they looooveee hairy men all the time ( lots of threads here on that too ). Anyway I think you need to re-read what you just wrote and think about how that obviously proves our points on how we feels about bisexuals. If you feel what you're saying is true that just proves that there is no reason gays should allow bisexuals in our circles. You have no respect for us and just see us as vessels to fuck !
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    David3K said
    Inque saidRyyyder has a point.

    Too many bisexuals are out to gay men and expect us to accept them but yet they don't demand the same thing from women because they know women don't like it and instead of trying to foster a relationship with a man. They can't because they are incapable. It's all about women to them because it's all about trying to deny their true sexuality.


    Im gonna be blunt here so maybe you and Ryder finally understand. It's easier to have a relationship and project a future with a woman than with a man. Ive been there and done that (try to have a proper relationship with a guy), but unlike you, Im not using my personal experiences as a general example, Instead Im talking of this objectively:

    Gay men tend to be self absorbed, selfish, they put themselves first and then the rest. Anyone can see that attitude in the thread "why gay men dont want to have kids". Women on the other hand focus on things that are not so shallow, for example a woman wont give you hell because you have a hairy back or put you down if you gain weight, basically you won't get any of that shit with them because they value other things more.

    Now if youre bisexual and the kind of guy who's still living your life like in your early 20s and all you care is about fucking around and collecting STD then you should definitely move to the gay side. But if you're bisexual and already had your fun and now want to settle down you will be much luckier getting yourself a girl. Its exchanging the gay club on saturday night or trips all year long for the sunday barbaque with friends and the kids. As simple as that. The gay community isn't shaped for the monogamous lifestyle.


    You're pretty much just confirming what we've been saying the whole time. Bisexual men use gay men for sex and when they want to play the role of Mr. Straight Man they find a woman but NEVER or should I say rarely do they force her to accept their sexuality in the way they demand it of gay men. And there are plenty of monogamous gay relationships just as there are plenty of polyamorous straight relationships. If you don't think straights cheat or have open relationships then you are clearly only looking at the world with rose tinted glasses.

    And you don't think women are shallow? You're putting your frustrations onto a gender that promotes the sickly thin look among other women. Any woman will tell you the biggest critic of women is women. Women can be just as shallow and superficial as man. You think there are men who talk down on you being a construction worker? Hell then you've never met the average American woman.


    Do you have comprehension problems? I clearly said I ALREADY tried to make a future with a guy, I was willing to give up on many things but things didn't work out and not because of me. So your little theory that bisexuals only want men for sex doesn't apply on me.

    And thats a lie: thare are not "Plenty of monogamous gay relationships", Ive talked to way too MANY people in LTR here to find out they've been having open relationships all along. Maybe its me that Im one of a kind but really its not appealing to me to have sex outside of a relationship whether its with a guy or a girl and I expect the same from my partner.

    Women are shallow but not about the same things than gays. Im not putting women in a pedestal, women and gay men are way too different, both with their pros and cons. But I truly think than in relationships gay men are WAY to more shallow than women.
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    David3K said
    Inque saidRyyyder has a point.

    Too many bisexuals are out to gay men and expect us to accept them but yet they don't demand the same thing from women because they know women don't like it and instead of trying to foster a relationship with a man. They can't because they are incapable. It's all about women to them because it's all about trying to deny their true sexuality.


    Im gonna be blunt here so maybe you and Ryder finally understand. It's easier to have a relationship and project a future with a woman than with a man. Ive been there and done that (try to have a proper relationship with a guy), but unlike you, Im not using my personal experiences as a general example, Instead Im talking of this objectively:

    Gay men tend to be self absorbed, selfish, they put themselves first and then the rest. Anyone can see that attitude in the thread "why gay men dont want to have kids". Women on the other hand focus on things that are not so shallow, for example a woman wont give you hell because you have a hairy back or put you down if you gain weight, basically you won't get any of that shit with them because they value other things more.

    Now if youre bisexual and the kind of guy who's still living your life like in your early 20s and all you care about is fucking around and collecting STD then you should definitely move to the gay side. But if you're bisexual and already had your fun and now want to settle down you will be much luckier getting yourself a girl. Its exchanging the gay club on saturday night or trips all year long for the sunday barbaque with friends and the kids. As simple as that. The gay community isn't shaped for the monogamous easy going lifestyle.


    You don't even see how you are obviously proving our point ! ...smh This post proves that ... and where do you get off thinking that women prefer hairy men ?? Lol Almost every woman I've met says they cant stand a guy with too much hair, much less hair on there back. On the other hand i here gay guys rave about how much they looooveee hairy men all the time ( lots of threads here on that too ). Anyway I think you need to re-read what you just wrote and think about how that obviously proves our points on how we feels about bisexuals. If you feel what you're saying is true that just proves that there is no reason gays should allow bisexuals in our circles. You have no respect for us and just see us as vessels to fuck !


    If anything my little post shows how I had tried to do something with a guy and I couldn't and how gays are generally not suited for that kind of homey life style.

    So if your point is that gay man should shut down the doors to bisexuals because some of them are not the slutty type then you're completely right. Gays should get along with men that act and behave the same way and not the type that wants to have a more committed relationship. In that case I completely agree with you bisexuals and gays shouldn't mix.
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    Jan 19, 2015 8:36 PM GMT
    You're proving our point. Bisexuals only see men as temporary sex objects but adore women. Bisexuals are selfish monsters
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    Jan 19, 2015 8:37 PM GMT
    You yourself just said you don't think gay men are worthy of love
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    ryyyder said
    David3K said
    Inque saidRyyyder has a point.

    Too many bisexuals are out to gay men and expect us to accept them but yet they don't demand the same thing from women because they know women don't like it and instead of trying to foster a relationship with a man. They can't because they are incapable. It's all about women to them because it's all about trying to deny their true sexuality.


    Im gonna be blunt here so maybe you and Ryder finally understand. It's easier to have a relationship and project a future with a woman than with a man. Ive been there and done that (try to have a proper relationship with a guy), but unlike you, Im not using my personal experiences as a general example, Instead Im talking of this objectively:

    Gay men tend to be self absorbed, selfish, they put themselves first and then the rest. Anyone can see that attitude in the thread "why gay men dont want to have kids". Women on the other hand focus on things that are not so shallow, for example a woman wont give you hell because you have a hairy back or put you down if you gain weight, basically you won't get any of that shit with them because they value other things more.

    Now if youre bisexual and the kind of guy who's still living your life like in your early 20s and all you care about is fucking around and collecting STD then you should definitely move to the gay side. But if you're bisexual and already had your fun and now want to settle down you will be much luckier getting yourself a girl. Its exchanging the gay club on saturday night or trips all year long for the sunday barbaque with friends and the kids. As simple as that. The gay community isn't shaped for the monogamous easy going lifestyle.


    You don't even see how you are obviously proving our point ! ...smh This post proves that ... and where do you get off thinking that women prefer hairy men ?? Lol Almost every woman I've met says they cant stand a guy with too much hair, much less hair on there back. On the other hand i here gay guys rave about how much they looooveee hairy men all the time ( lots of threads here on that too ). Anyway I think you need to re-read what you just wrote and think about how that obviously proves our points on how we feels about bisexuals. If you feel what you're saying is true that just proves that there is no reason gays should allow bisexuals in our circles. You have no respect for us and just see us as vessels to fuck !


    If anything my little post shows how I had tried to do something with a guy and I couldn't and how gays are generally not suited for that kind of homey life style.

    So if your point is that gay man should shut down the doors to bisexuals because some of them are not the slutty type then you're completely right. Gays should get along with men that act and behave the same way and not the type that wants to have a more committed relationship. In that case I completely agree with you bisexuals and gays shouldn't mix.


    David - seriously Dude, it's time to give up arguing in circles. You are proving everyone's points with every word you post -- and I don't even entirely agree with many of the points they made.

    You had ONE (1) relationship with another Man and you think you are some sort of expert?!?!?!? Exactly how many is "way too many" that you have spoken to on RJ (one [1] site) that has given you such expertise into the dynamics and psyche of ALL Gay Men and their respective relationships.

    You don't wanna hang with Gay Dudes - no problems there. I don't see any lining up to get your attention. I DO see a Guy who has clearly had his feelings hurt ONCE, can't get over it, is desperately trying to live a patriarchal fantasy of backyard bar-b-cues and little league soccer games all while seemingly unable to extricate himself from the very group he claims to have so many negative issues with.

    I get you may enjoy exchanging ideas with other people, Men in particular, but you have chosen a VERY particular site to voice your opinions and the topics, opinions and outcomes are ALWAYS the same.

    You have made your point. Believe whatever you need to in order to find comfort and solace in the life you are leading. More power to you. But the fat lady sang, the curtain went down, the house lights came up and the audience went home.

    At this point your just repeating yourself to an empty house and a few crickets.

    Peace Dude.
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    Inque saidYou're proving our point. Bisexuals only see men as temporary sex objects but adore women. Bisexuals are selfish monsters


    Funny because you keep saying the complete opposite of what I clearly expressed before. I think gay men are worthy of love, or i wouldnt have given a chance to the same sex relationship I once had, however many gay men keep proving that gays are looking for other type of relationships. And you in particular, who doesnt even love yourself and despise your own race, complain that bisexual men dont want you for anything serious? icon_rolleyes.gif Give me a break. Talking in general terms its the gay community that's not interested in compromise, and this is not about genders. If you can't see this then get some glasses.
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    David3K said
    ryyyder said
    David3K said
    Inque saidRyyyder has a point.

    Too many bisexuals are out to gay men and expect us to accept them but yet they don't demand the same thing from women because they know women don't like it and instead of trying to foster a relationship with a man. They can't because they are incapable. It's all about women to them because it's all about trying to deny their true sexuality.


    Im gonna be blunt here so maybe you and Ryder finally understand. It's easier to have a relationship and project a future with a woman than with a man. Ive been there and done that (try to have a proper relationship with a guy), but unlike you, Im not using my personal experiences as a general example, Instead Im talking of this objectively:

    Gay men tend to be self absorbed, selfish, they put themselves first and then the rest. Anyone can see that attitude in the thread "why gay men dont want to have kids". Women on the other hand focus on things that are not so shallow, for example a woman wont give you hell because you have a hairy back or put you down if you gain weight, basically you won't get any of that shit with them because they value other things more.

    Now if youre bisexual and the kind of guy who's still living your life like in your early 20s and all you care about is fucking around and collecting STD then you should definitely move to the gay side. But if you're bisexual and already had your fun and now want to settle down you will be much luckier getting yourself a girl. Its exchanging the gay club on saturday night or trips all year long for the sunday barbaque with friends and the kids. As simple as that. The gay community isn't shaped for the monogamous easy going lifestyle.


    You don't even see how you are obviously proving our point ! ...smh This post proves that ... and where do you get off thinking that women prefer hairy men ?? Lol Almost every woman I've met says they cant stand a guy with too much hair, much less hair on there back. On the other hand i here gay guys rave about how much they looooveee hairy men all the time ( lots of threads here on that too ). Anyway I think you need to re-read what you just wrote and think about how that obviously proves our points on how we feels about bisexuals. If you feel what you're saying is true that just proves that there is no reason gays should allow bisexuals in our circles. You have no respect for us and just see us as vessels to fuck !


    If anything my little post shows how I had tried to do something with a guy and I couldn't and how gays are generally not suited for that kind of homey life style.

    So if your point is that gay man should shut down the doors to bisexuals because some of them are not the slutty type then you're completely right. Gays should get along with men that act and behave the same way and not the type that wants to have a more committed relationship. In that case I completely agree with you bisexuals and gays shouldn't mix.


    David - seriously Dude, it's time to give up arguing in circles. You are proving everyone's points with every word you post -- and I don't even entirely agree with many of the points they made.

    You had ONE (1) relationship with another Man and you think you are some sort of expert?!?!?!? Exactly how many is "way too many" that you have spoken to on RJ (one [1] site) that has given you such expertise into the dynamics and psyche of ALL Gay Men and their respective relationships.

    You don't wanna hang with Gay Dudes - no problems there. I don't see any lining up to get your attention. I DO see a Guy who has clearly had his feelings hurt ONCE, can't get over it, is desperately trying to live a patriarchal fantasy of backyard bar-b-cues and little league soccer games all while seemingly unable to extricate himself from the very group he claims to have so many negative issues with.

    I get you may enjoy exchanging ideas with other people, Men in particular, but you have chosen a VERY particular site to voice your opinions and the topics, opinions and outcomes are ALWAYS the same.

    You have made your point. Believe whatever you need to in order to find comfort and solace in the life you are leading. More power to you. But the fat lady sang, the curtain went down, the house lights came up and the audience went home.

    At this point your just repeating yourself to an empty house and a few crickets.

    Peace Dude.

    Wow it seems some people dont know what bisexual means. Whether Im with a girl or a guy there are urges that will always be there, that doesnt mean I will act on it (like most assume). I can be on this site or any other gay site and still be happy living with my girl, one thing wont rule out the other.

    RJ keeps me in touch with something thats part of me too, I don't see anything wrong with it as you try to make it seem. Things are not black or white, there is a wide range of greys and I have no problems with it. Now, experience has showed me that relationship-wise guys are not very trust worthy, and not only that, I see it every day in the forums and the threads people make.

    Maybe some of you are so used to that way of living that lost all notions on how things could be but that's your issue not mine. If I have to choose a side (and I have to) I choose the one Im more confortable with, and guess what I LOVE barbaques and football! Maybe if the gay community had other characteristics I would choose the gay side.

    Actually If I happened to know a guy that's on the same page that me I would be in a relationship with him, which proves your theory wrong. But that hasn't happened and since I have other options I just pick the one that suits me best.

    Peace.


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    Inque saidRyyyder has a point.

    Too many bisexuals are out to gay men and expect us to accept them but yet they don't demand the same thing from women because they know women don't like it and instead of trying to foster a relationship with a man. They can't because they are incapable. It's all about women to them because it's all about trying to deny their true sexuality.


    Im gonna be blunt here so maybe you and Ryder finally understand. It's easier to have a relationship and project a future with a woman than with a man. Ive been there and done that (try to have a proper relationship with a guy), but unlike you, Im not using my personal experiences as a general example, Instead Im talking of this objectively:

    Gay men tend to be self absorbed, selfish, they put themselves first and then the rest. Anyone can see that attitude in the thread "why gay men dont want to have kids". Women on the other hand focus on things that are not so shallow, for example a woman wont give you hell because you have a hairy back or put you down if you gain weight, basically you won't get any of that shit with them because they value other things more.

    Now if youre bisexual and the kind of guy who's still living your life like in your early 20s and all you care about is fucking around and collecting STD then you should definitely move to the gay side. But if you're bisexual and already had your fun and now want to settle down you will be much luckier getting yourself a girl. Its exchanging the gay club on saturday night or trips all year long for the sunday barbaque with friends and the kids. As simple as that. The gay community isn't shaped for the monogamous easy going lifestyle.


    You don't even see how you are obviously proving our point ! ...smh This post proves that ... and where do you get off thinking that women prefer hairy men ?? Lol Almost every woman I've met says they cant stand a guy with too much hair, much less hair on there back. On the other hand i here gay guys rave about how much they looooveee hairy men all the time ( lots of threads here on that too ). Anyway I think you need to re-read what you just wrote and think about how that obviously proves our points on how we feels about bisexuals. If you feel what you're saying is true that just proves that there is no reason gays should allow bisexuals in our circles. You have no respect for us and just see us as vessels to fuck !


    If anything my little post shows how I had tried to do something with a guy and I couldn't and how gays are generally not suited for that kind of homey life style.

    So if your point is that gay man should shut down the doors to bisexuals because some of them are not the slutty type then you're completely right. Gays should get along with men that act and behave the same way and not the type that wants to have a more committed relationship. In that case I completely agree with you bisexuals and gays shouldn't mix.


    David - seriously Dude, it's time to give up arguing in circles. You are proving everyone's points with every word you post -- and I don't even entirely agree with many of the points they made.

    You had ONE (1) relationship with another Man and you think you are some sort of expert?!?!?!? Exactly how many is "way too many" that you have spoken to on RJ (one [1] site) that has given you such expertise into the dynamics and psyche of ALL Gay Men and their respective relationships.

    You don't wanna hang with Gay Dudes - no problems there. I don't see any lining up to get your attention. I DO see a Guy who has clearly had his feelings hurt ONCE, can't get over it, is desperately trying to live a patriarchal fantasy of backyard bar-b-cues and little league soccer games all while seemingly unable to extricate himself from the very group he claims to have so many negative issues with.

    I get you may enjoy exchanging ideas with other people, Men in particular, but you have chosen a VERY particular site to voice your opinions and the topics, opinions and outcomes are ALWAYS the same.

    You have made your point. Believe whatever you need to in order to find comfort and solace in the life you are leading. More power to you. But the fat lady sang, the curtain went down, the house lights came up and the audience went home.

    At this point your just repeating yourself to an empty house and a few crickets.

    Peace Dude.

    Wow it seems some people dont know what bisexual means. Whether Im with a girl or a guy there are urges that will always be there, that doesnt mean I will act on it (like most assume). I can be on this site or any other gay site and still be happy living with my girl, one thing wont rule out the other.

    RJ keeps me in touch with something thats part of me too, I don't see anything wrong with it as you try to make it seem. Things are not black or white, there is a wide range of greys and I have no problems with it. Now, experience has showed me that relationship-wise guys are not very trust worthy, and not only that, I see it every day in the forums and the threads people make.

    Maybe some of you are so used to that way of living that lost all notions on how things could be but that's your issue not mine. If I have to choose a side (and I have to) I choose the one Im more confortable with, and guess what I LOVE barbaques and football! Maybe if the gay community had other characteristics I would choose the gay side.

    Peace.




    Funny "guys are not very trust worthy, and not only that, I see it every day in the forums and the threads people make." is what many think about you.

    You are ignorant or a manipulative liar, probably both. You are malicious to the extreme, you've implied physical harm to me (your a joke btw).

    You aren't Bi, you are merely Gay curious with a small amount of experience. You've overstepped your bounds on this site repeatedly with negative vile comments. You don't belong here. If the TOS rules were ever applied you'd have been kicked out long ago.

    You are an impediment to intelligent conversation.
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    ^ Funny coming from you: one of the most negative, perverse and dangerous posters in RJ. At least Im not harming anyone with my thoughts or the way I see things.
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    David3K said
    Cash said
    David3K said
    ryyyder said
    David3K said
    Inque saidRyyyder has a point.

    Too many bisexuals are out to gay men and expect us to accept them but yet they don't demand the same thing from women because they know women don't like it and instead of trying to foster a relationship with a man. They can't because they are incapable. It's all about women to them because it's all about trying to deny their true sexuality.


    Im gonna be blunt here so maybe you and Ryder finally understand. It's easier to have a relationship and project a future with a woman than with a man. Ive been there and done that (try to have a proper relationship with a guy), but unlike you, Im not using my personal experiences as a general example, Instead Im talking of this objectively:

    Gay men tend to be self absorbed, selfish, they put themselves first and then the rest. Anyone can see that attitude in the thread "why gay men dont want to have kids". Women on the other hand focus on things that are not so shallow, for example a woman wont give you hell because you have a hairy back or put you down if you gain weight, basically you won't get any of that shit with them because they value other things more.

    Now if youre bisexual and the kind of guy who's still living your life like in your early 20s and all you care about is fucking around and collecting STD then you should definitely move to the gay side. But if you're bisexual and already had your fun and now want to settle down you will be much luckier getting yourself a girl. Its exchanging the gay club on saturday night or trips all year long for the sunday barbaque with friends and the kids. As simple as that. The gay community isn't shaped for the monogamous easy going lifestyle.


    You don't even see how you are obviously proving our point ! ...smh This post proves that ... and where do you get off thinking that women prefer hairy men ?? Lol Almost every woman I've met says they cant stand a guy with too much hair, much less hair on there back. On the other hand i here gay guys rave about how much they looooveee hairy men all the time ( lots of threads here on that too ). Anyway I think you need to re-read what you just wrote and think about how that obviously proves our points on how we feels about bisexuals. If you feel what you're saying is true that just proves that there is no reason gays should allow bisexuals in our circles. You have no respect for us and just see us as vessels to fuck !


    If anything my little post shows how I had tried to do something with a guy and I couldn't and how gays are generally not suited for that kind of homey life style.

    So if your point is that gay man should shut down the doors to bisexuals because some of them are not the slutty type then you're completely right. Gays should get along with men that act and behave the same way and not the type that wants to have a more committed relationship. In that case I completely agree with you bisexuals and gays shouldn't mix.


    David - seriously Dude, it's time to give up arguing in circles. You are proving everyone's points with every word you post -- and I don't even entirely agree with many of the points they made.

    You had ONE (1) relationship with another Man and you think you are some sort of expert?!?!?!? Exactly how many is "way too many" that you have spoken to on RJ (one [1] site) that has given you such expertise into the dynamics and psyche of ALL Gay Men and their respective relationships.

    You don't wanna hang with Gay Dudes - no problems there. I don't see any lining up to get your attention. I DO see a Guy who has clearly had his feelings hurt ONCE, can't get over it, is desperately trying to live a patriarchal fantasy of backyard bar-b-cues and little league soccer games all while seemingly unable to extricate himself from the very group he claims to have so many negative issues with.

    I get you may enjoy exchanging ideas with other people, Men in particular, but you have chosen a VERY particular site to voice your opinions and the topics, opinions and outcomes are ALWAYS the same.

    You have made your point. Believe whatever you need to in order to find comfort and solace in the life you are leading. More power to you. But the fat lady sang, the curtain went down, the house lights came up and the audience went home.

    At this point your just repeating yourself to an empty house and a few crickets.

    Peace Dude.

    Wow it seems some people dont know what bisexual means. Whether Im with a girl or a guy there are urges that will always be there, that doesnt mean I will act on it (like most assume). I can be on this site or any other gay site and still be happy living with my girl, one thing wont rule out the other.

    RJ keeps me in touch with something thats part of me too, I don't see anything wrong with it as you try to make it seem. Things are not black or white, there is a wide range of greys and I have no problems with it. Now, experience has showed me that relationship-wise guys are not very trust worthy, and not only that, I see it every day in the forums and the threads people make.

    Maybe some of you are so used to that way of living that lost all notions on how things could be but that's your issue not mine. If I have to choose a side (and I have to) I choose the one Im more confortable with, and guess what I LOVE barbaques and football! Maybe if the gay community had other characteristics I would choose the gay side.

    Actually If I happened to know a guy that's on the same page that me I would be in a relationship with him, which proves your theory wrong. But that hasn't happened and since I have other options I just pick the one that suits me best.

    Peace.




    I am well aware of what bisexual means David. I am 46, out since 14, travelled the world and mixed with every race, creed, social class and orientation on the planet.

    I don't think anyone on RJ is particularly interested in how you choose to act on your orientation.

    The issue you create is coming on a Gay Men's site to "keep in touch with something that is part" of you while degrading, debasing, insulting, putting down and GROSSLY (and wildly incorrectly) generalizing the very constituency that you claim to want to keep in touch with.

    Want bar-b-ques and football? Cool. Go for it. LOTS OF GUYS ON RJ DO. You are not the terminally unique creation you seem to think you are.

    And for the record - YOUR notion of "how things could be" may simply not apply or appeal to everyone, Gay, Staight, bi or otherwise.

    Follow your dreams and notions of what works for you without ramming it down everyone's throat as some sort of pre-ordained ideal

    Simply put, you are as welcome here as any other Dude - but you will quickly wear out that welcome if you insist on continually castigating everyone here while demanding validation of your PERSONAL theories as gospel. Theories which quite frankly are half-baked at best since they are based on an EXTREMELY limited amount of experience.

    And so what...two or three people called you names and made fun of your profession. Big deal. It is no reflection on who you really are or the value of what you do. It certainly isn't a justification for the kind of (at times violent) defensiveness you have displayed.

    If you want to keep in touch with a particular part of yourself with other like minded Men, then do that and stop pushing so many away.
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    David3K said^ Funny coming from you: one of the most negative, perverse and dangerous posters in RJ. At least Im not harming anyone with my thoughts or the way I see things.


    No David it's not funny anymore. Now it's pathetic.

    Your ignorant name calling is just a tip of the iceberg of your hate.

    I talk about harm reduction and safer sex between intelligent Gay men. Condoms, PrEP, Undetectable partners, serosorting POZ men (NOT sero-sorting NEG). Only a fool could misconstrue that to putting anyone IN danger. But you manage and promote ignorance and stigma.

    I'm sure this will start you off with a new round of name calling (negative, perverse and dangerous!) . So be it. I will be interesting to see your rhetoric outside of the HIV threads.
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    David3K said^ Funny coming from you: one of the most negative, perverse and dangerous posters in RJ. At least Im not harming anyone with my thoughts or the way I see things.


    No David it's not funny anymore. Now it's pathetic.

    Your ignorant name calling is just a tip of the iceberg of your hate.

    I talk about harm reduction and safer sex between intelligent Gay men. Condoms, PrEP, Undetectable partners, serosorting POZ men (NOT sero-sorting NEG). Only a fool could misconstrue that to putting anyone IN danger. But you manage and promote ignorance and stigma.

    I'm sure this will start you off with a new round of name calling. So be it. I will be interesting to see your rhetoric outside of the HIV threads.


    Trying to make others believe that HIV is not a serious disease anymore, that undetectable viral load is "the new negative", and that condoms are not needed in hook ups IS to put others in danger. You have a clear agenda and many posters know it.
    I won't get into this with you here though, this thread is about something else, if you miss my posts go read them in any of the HIV threads with half twisted truths that you have infested the forums with.
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    timmm55 said
    David3K said^ Funny coming from you: one of the most negative, perverse and dangerous posters in RJ. At least Im not harming anyone with my thoughts or the way I see things.


    No David it's not funny anymore. Now it's pathetic.

    Your ignorant name calling is just a tip of the iceberg of your hate.

    I talk about harm reduction and safer sex between intelligent Gay men. Condoms, PrEP, Undetectable partners, serosorting POZ men (NOT sero-sorting NEG). Only a fool could misconstrue that to putting anyone IN danger. But you manage and promote ignorance and stigma.

    I'm sure this will start you off with a new round of name calling. So be it. I will be interesting to see your rhetoric outside of the HIV threads.


    Trying to make others believe that HIV is not a serious disease anymore, that undetectable viral load is "the new negative", and that condoms are not needed in hook ups IS to put others in danger. You have a clear agenda and many posters know it.
    I won't get into this with you here though, this thread is about something else, if you miss my posts go read them in any of the HIV threads with half twisted truths that you have infested the forums with.


    Again a total fabrication of the truth.
    Of course it's still serious! If Negative, condoms are the first order....especially if they say they are negative.

    http://www.acon.org.au/sites/default/files/What-is-Safe-Sex-Position-2014.pdf

    There are now at least five strategies that reasonably constitute‘safe sex’,provided that certain parameters are met.
    They are:
    1.The use of Condoms during casual encounters between men of unknown or discordant serostatus.
    2.HIV negative men taking effective pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP).
    3.Men living with HIV who only have sex without condoms when they have a sustained undetectable viral load (UVL) and in the absence of sexually transmissible infections (STIs).
    4.Effective use of serosorting between HIV positive men.
    5.Effective negotiated safety agreements.
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    ^ Dude what part of "I won't get into this with you here" didn't you understand? Go stink somewhere else.
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    And as far a "The new Negative" goes, here's a Doctor's Q and A:

    Question:

    Hello Doctor, I read the previous post where the person says "undetectable is the new negative". ... Do you agree with this statement at least to some extent? Thank you for this blog.

    Answer:

    To some extent. From a transmission point of view, having an undetectable viral load is close to being negative. And from the standpoint of prognosis and life expectancy, people with undetectable viral loads and normal CD4 counts have more in common with HIV-negative people than they have with people with untreated HIV infection.

    But there are still important differences between someone with well controlled HIV and someone without HIV—if there weren’t, we wouldn’t still be looking for a cure. Even with well controlled HIV, you have a chronic medical condition that is expensive to treat and that causes an increase in chronic inflammation and immune activation. You still have viral DNA integrated into your own genome. I’m not willing to go so far as to say that “undetectable is the new negative,” though I understand the sentiment.

    http://hivforum.tumblr.com/

    I love Dr. Joel, his comments are direct and to the point. Say something stupid and you get a dunce cap!

    Go ahead David....try and argue with him LOL
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    David3K said^ Dude what part of "I won't get into this with you here" didn't you understand? Go stink somewhere else.


    You don't make the rules! Certainly not for my free speech.
    You opened it up by saying I'm negative, perverse and dangerous! And now I "stink".....stupid rhetoric from a spineless weasel. Now I am not supposed to respond?

    You don't know me very well! I don't back down from bully bitches like you, Sydney and the other 2.
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    David3K said^ Dude what part of "I won't get into this with you here" didn't you understand? Go stink somewhere else.


    You don't make the rules! Certainly not for my free speech.
    You opened it up by saying I'm negative, perverse and dangerous! And now I "stink".....stupid rhetoric from a spineless weasel. Now I am not supposed to respond?

    You don't know me very well! I don't back down from bully bitches like you, Sydney and the other 2.


    Good for you.