Nancy Reagan Turned Down Rock Hudson’s Plea For Help Nine Weeks Before He Died

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    Feb 04, 2015 6:50 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk said
    meninlove said I wouldn't be so quick to blame Mrs Reagan, you know. If you read the article, she was given advice that she followed through on. I found it interesting that the man in question who advised her didn't go to the President first. Why Nancy? No one elected her.

    Ronald Regan was completely senile by then, he had alzheimer's, by then Nancy was making all the decisions.


    Untrue. Probably likely that he was showing signs by then, but still at that time he had many good days along with a few bad days.

    Even after his presidency, I'd see him come into his office at 2121 Ave of the Stars, and at least on the days he came to the office he seemed fine. I'm sure there were those 'other' days by the early 90s, and those kind of days were increasing in number until he no longer came in.

    I'm pretty familiar with the progression of Alzheimer's having dealt with it up close and daily with both parents for four years
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    Feb 04, 2015 9:50 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said

    Well, Bobbi, considering how much you like getting fucked up the ass, what if it was it you .... who was not famous, but an ranking army muckety muck laying there dying of aids and you were passed over by a president who was doing favours and showing favoritism for his elite, wealthy, famous, well connected (Republican, I might add) Hollywood buddies? What if you were the one who was passed over because you were not a well connected, wealthy, famous celebrity?

    Of course, this is assuming that you would have been brave enough to come out and admit why you loved "plumping" and cruising naked cock in locker room, steam room, saunas, etc., instead of hiding behind the ruse of happily married straight with children.


    This from the man who came out, went back in - and now vilifies gay sex like the right-wing bigot he is.
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    Feb 05, 2015 6:12 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    AMoonHawk said
    meninlove said I wouldn't be so quick to blame Mrs Reagan, you know. If you read the article, she was given advice that she followed through on. I found it interesting that the man in question who advised her didn't go to the President first. Why Nancy? No one elected her.

    Ronald Regan was completely senile by then, he had alzheimer's, by then Nancy was making all the decisions.


    Untrue. Probably likely that he was showing signs by then, but still at that time he had many good days along with a few bad days.

    Even after his presidency, I'd see him come into his office at 2121 Ave of the Stars, and at least on the days he came to the office he seemed fine. I'm sure there were those 'other' days by the early 90s, and those kind of days were increasing in number until he no longer came in.

    I'm pretty familiar with the progression of Alzheimer's having dealt with it up close and daily with both parents for four years

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/when-did-ronald-reagan-have-alzheimers-the-debate-goes-on/
    "Ron Reagan contends his father showed signs of Alzheimer's Disease three years into his first term."

    http://www.helpguide.org/articles/alzheimers-dementia/alzheimers-disease.htm

    Stage 1 – Mild/Early (lasts 2-4 yrs) – Frequent recent memory loss, particularly of recent conversations and events. Repeated questions, some problems expressing and understanding language. Mild coordination problems: writing and using objects becomes difficult. Depression and apathy can occur, accompanied by mood swings. Need reminders for daily activities, and may have difficulty driving.
    Stage 2 – Moderate/Middle (lasts 2-10 yrs) – Can no longer cover up problems. Pervasive and persistent memory loss, including forgetfulness about personal history and inability to recognize friends and family. Rambling speech, unusual reasoning, and confusion about current events, time, and place. More likely to become lost in familiar settings, experience sleep disturbances, and changes in mood and behavior, which can be aggravated by stress and change. May experience delusions, aggression, and uninhibited behavior. Mobility and coordination is affected by slowness, rigidity, and tremors. Need structure, reminders, and assistance with the activities of daily living.
    Stage 3 – Severe/Late (lasts 1-3+ yrs) – Confused about past and present. Loss of ability to remember, communicate, or process information. Generally incapacitated with severe to total loss of verbal skills. Unable to care for self. Falls possible and immobility likely. Problems with swallowing, incontinence, and illness. Extreme problems with mood, behavior, hallucinations, and delirium. In this stage, the person will need round the clock intensive support and care.
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    Feb 05, 2015 6:30 AM GMT
    It's my opinion that the person who influenced the outcome here is Mark Weinberg. He advised Mrs Reagan and she went with it.
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    Feb 05, 2015 6:49 AM GMT
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    Even if that is the case. I don't see that it makes that much of a difference. She is the one that would have agreed with that decision.
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    Feb 05, 2015 3:42 PM GMT
    Regardless of how a thing seems to have been portrayed, after enough quacking

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    Feb 05, 2015 3:57 PM GMT
    meninlove said It's my opinion that the person who influenced the outcome here is Mark Weinberg. He advised Mrs Reagan and she went with it.

    I agree that's a possibility. A First Lady does not normally exercise complete personal freedom while her husband is President. She is expected to clear her public pronouncements and actions with the White House political advisors and "handlers". It may have been more their decision to ignore Rock Hudson's request than her own.

    And remember, she was being asked to put political pressure on a foreign country. This is very dangerous territory for a First Lady, who holds no official governmental authority, except what she's been specifically granted, usually mostly ceremonial.

    So that while I'm far from a fan of Nancy Reagan, she may be innocent in this instance.