POTUS, OBAMA, Throws Christianity under the Bus!

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    Feb 09, 2015 10:18 PM GMT
    metta8 saidChristian Groups in Africa have recently killed Muslims in the name of religion.

    Gay people have been killed in the name of Christianity. Gosh....are we forgetting about Uganda?

    What about the Salem witch trials?

    Christians have been killing people in the name of Christianity for centuries.



    VICTIMS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH
    http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm


    And just as we don't consider those people Christians, we don't consider ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, et al, Muslims. They bastardize the religion and exploit its followers.
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    Feb 09, 2015 10:34 PM GMT
    It's been very interesting to watch the reactions to this speech, which have been getting coverage for at least three news cycles now. More if you count the weekend.

    What's very interesting is how the only coverage that has misrepresented the presidents remarks have been from Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and Drudge. There have been varying reactions and conclusions throughout the media, but only that group is misrepresenting the facts. They are also saying exactly the same thing:

    ~ That Obama is apologizing for Islam and trying to shift blame from ISIS to Christians.

    ~ That Obama is trying to minimize the threat.

    Anyone who has heard the speech or read the transcript and can read at a high school level couldn't possibly come to those conclusions, yet that is what has been coming from the right wing extremists in the media. So what's really going on? Why is there such a concerted effort to rile people up with a false narrative?

    I think what is happening is that the oligarch's on the right want to escalate things, and instead of waging war in only one or two countries, it's going to be spread across the Middle East and into Africa. It will be a HUGE boom for the Military-Industrial Complex, pun intended. By not calling the terrorists "Muslim", Obama is dissing them, and by calling them "criminals" and "murderers", he's putting them in their place.

    To call violent extremists Muslim helps to give them religious legitimacy, which only serves their purpose, not ours. So why would the right wing media want to help ISIS? I can't think of any other reason than to escalate the conflict.
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    Feb 09, 2015 11:11 PM GMT
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    Excellent input. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this.
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    Feb 09, 2015 11:26 PM GMT
    Physiqueflex saidIt's been very interesting to watch the reactions to this speech, which have been getting coverage for at least three news cycles now. More if you count the weekend.

    What's very interesting is how the only coverage that has misrepresented the presidents remarks have been from Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and Drudge. There have been varying reactions and conclusions throughout the media, but only that group is misrepresenting the facts. They are also saying exactly the same thing:

    ~ That Obama is apologizing for Islam and trying to shift blame from ISIS to Christians.

    ~ That Obama is trying to minimize the threat.

    Anyone who has heard the speech or read the transcript and can read at a high school level couldn't possibly come to those conclusions, yet that is what has been coming from the right wing extremists in the media. So what's really going on? Why is there such a concerted effort to rile people up with a false narrative?

    I think what is happening is that the oligarch's on the right want to escalate things, and instead of waging war in only one or two countries, it's going to be spread across the Middle East and into Africa. It will be a HUGE boom for the Military-Industrial Complex, pun intended. By not calling the terrorists "Muslim", Obama is dissing them, and by calling them "criminals" and "murderers", he's putting them in their place.

    To call violent extremists Muslim helps to give them religious legitimacy, which only serves their purpose, not ours. So why would the right wing media want to help ISIS? I can't think of any other reason than to escalate the conflict.

    I can read and think well above the high school level and is clear to me that Obama went beyond just presenting historical facts with his "high horse" comment. I think your representation of Fox is incorrect about Obama apologizing for Islam, etc, based on what I heard. Did you find it interesting that Obama said some killed in the name of Christianity and others killed in the name of religion, but would not mention Islam as he did Christianity.

    As far as minimizing the threat, I did not see that in his prayer breakfast remarks, but his so-called Natl Security Advisor Rice said as much. She followed the Obama straw man approach saying it was not an existential threat to our existence. That had not been generally asserted before so she presented that as an alternative to not be an alarmist, as if there is not a happy medium.

    Many including the former DIA head of several years, a non-political person, has stated there is no strategy from this administration against Islamic fundamental terrorism. http://nypost.com/2015/02/08/ex-dia-director-says-obamas-isis-strategy-is-confusion/

    In other words - be patient people because we are confused and have no strategy. We should all be concerned about that instead of sticking up for Obama.
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    Feb 09, 2015 11:53 PM GMT
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    Physiqueflex saidIt's been very interesting to watch the reactions to this speech, which have been getting coverage for at least three news cycles now. More if you count the weekend.

    What's very interesting is how the only coverage that has misrepresented the presidents remarks have been from Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and Drudge. There have been varying reactions and conclusions throughout the media, but only that group is misrepresenting the facts. They are also saying exactly the same thing:

    ~ That Obama is apologizing for Islam and trying to shift blame from ISIS to Christians.

    ~ That Obama is trying to minimize the threat.

    Anyone who has heard the speech or read the transcript and can read at a high school level couldn't possibly come to those conclusions, yet that is what has been coming from the right wing extremists in the media. So what's really going on? Why is there such a concerted effort to rile people up with a false narrative?

    I think what is happening is that the oligarch's on the right want to escalate things, and instead of waging war in only one or two countries, it's going to be spread across the Middle East and into Africa. It will be a HUGE boom for the Military-Industrial Complex, pun intended. By not calling the terrorists "Muslim", Obama is dissing them, and by calling them "criminals" and "murderers", he's putting them in their place.

    To call violent extremists Muslim helps to give them religious legitimacy, which only serves their purpose, not ours. So why would the right wing media want to help ISIS? I can't think of any other reason than to escalate the conflict.

    I can read and think well above the high school level and is clear to me that Obama went beyond just presenting historical facts with his "high horse" comment. I think your representation of Fox is incorrect about Obama apologizing for Islam, etc, based on what I heard. Did you find it interesting that Obama said some killed in the name of Christianity and others killed in the name of religion, but would not mention Islam as he did Christianity.

    As far as minimizing the threat, I did not see that in his prayer breakfast remarks, but his so-called Natl Security Advisor Rice said as much. She followed the Obama straw man approach saying it was not an existential threat to our existence. That had not been generally asserted before so she presented that as an alternative to not be an alarmist, as if there is not a happy medium.

    Many including the former DIA head of several years, a non-political person, has stated there is no strategy from this administration against Islamic fundamental terrorism. http://nypost.com/2015/02/08/ex-dia-director-says-obamas-isis-strategy-is-confusion/

    In other words - be patient people because we are confused and have no strategy. We should all be concerned about that instead of sticking up for Obama.


    I don't think the president was merely giving historical context. "Humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human history. And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ."

    The "we" was the inclusive "we". Obama was pointing to himself when he said this. The meaning was that we should not judge all of Islam for those committing horrible crimes in the name of Allah. We didn't do that to Christians, so it's only fair, and right, to not do that now.

    Especially when there is no way we can defeat these violent extremists who have bastardized one of the world's great religions, without the support of the overwhelming majority of Muslims who are just as horrified by these groups.

    To consider it "appeasement" or "blaming Christianity" as I've heard from the right wing media, is simply Obama bashing and doing us more harm than good. That someone who is no longer in the administration is "confused" about the president's strategy means nothing to me. I don't think anyone should know what that strategy is, completely. Still, what I see is by not taking the George W Bush approach to these thugs, we are getting more grass roots support for their defeat, and this is visible in the response by Jordan to the murder of their pilot. Their actions carry a lot more weight and carry it a lot farther than anything we could have done. I think dropping "Islam" from the rhetoric is a good idea. Winning the information war is part of the strategy too.
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    Feb 10, 2015 12:18 AM GMT
    I don't recall hearing anyone blaming all of Islam. That is just a false narrative to justify not blaming a part of Islam or even acknowledging any role of Islam, which is Obama's tact.

    Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn is by all accounts a non-political person who has served under different administrations for many years. If his opinion means nothing to you because he is no longer under this administration, that clearly means you believe only those in the administration or those who agree with the administration. Your viewpoint is that of an ideologue who should have little credibility to those who listen to multiple viewpoints.

    By the way, nice try twisting Flynn's words. He did not say he was confused by the administration's ISIS strategy. He described the Obama ISIS strategy as confusion. Is that a typical MO?

    Added: Robert Gates and Leon Panetta both say the Obama ISIS strategy is failing. They served under different administrations including the current one. But because they are no longer in the administration and are critical, by extension, their views don't matter to you. That's fine because your view shouldn't matter to anyone.
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    Feb 10, 2015 2:22 PM GMT
    pellaz said"POTUS, OBAMA, Throws Christianity under the Bus!"

    so where christianity belongs
    It is Minneapolis motor mouth also known as hott joe or more accurately hott troll that needs to be thrown under an approaching bus. Than real jock will finally be rid of a cancerous blight. No more ultra leftist hogwash poisoning the Internet.
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    Feb 10, 2015 4:14 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    pellaz said"POTUS, OBAMA, Throws Christianity under the Bus!"

    so where christianity belongs
    It is Minneapolis motor mouth also known as hott joe or more accurately hott troll that needs to be thrown under an approaching bus. Than real jock will finally be rid of a cancerous blight. No more ultra leftist hogwash poisoning the Internet.


    Joe's feelings are going to be crushed by that.
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    Feb 10, 2015 6:22 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    roadbikeRob said
    pellaz said"POTUS, OBAMA, Throws Christianity under the Bus!"

    so where christianity belongs
    It is Minneapolis motor mouth also known as hott joe or more accurately hott troll that needs to be thrown under an approaching bus. Than real jock will finally be rid of a cancerous blight. No more ultra leftist hogwash poisoning the Internet.


    Joe's feelings are going to crushed by that.
    so what who caresicon_question.gif
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    Feb 10, 2015 6:26 PM GMT
    President Obama isn't being anything but real / just down with reality / when he exposed Christianity for what it is. Barak knows Islam and the Muslim people! He knows they're the right way to go with spirituality and you know / he's right. He's brave enough to call bullshit on Christians and he's the first president to set the record straight.
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    Feb 10, 2015 10:13 PM GMT
    TheBaise saidPresident Obama isn't being anything but real / just down with reality / when he exposed Christianity for what it is. Barak knows Islam and the Muslim people! He knows they're the right way to go with spirituality and you know / he's right. He's brave enough to call bullshit on Christians and he's the first president to set the record straight.


    you are a real fucking tool, it's comical
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    Feb 10, 2015 10:54 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    freedomisntfree said
    roadbikeRob said
    pellaz said"POTUS, OBAMA, Throws Christianity under the Bus!"

    so where christianity belongs
    It is Minneapolis motor mouth also known as hott joe or more accurately hott troll that needs to be thrown under an approaching bus. Than real jock will finally be rid of a cancerous blight. No more ultra leftist hogwash poisoning the Internet.


    Joe's feelings are going to crushed by that.
    so what who caresicon_question.gif


    "under an approaching bus" "crushed"

    Get it ?????
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    Feb 11, 2015 12:07 AM GMT
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    TheBaise saidPresident Obama isn't being anything but real / just down with reality / when he exposed Christianity for what it is. Barak knows Islam and the Muslim people! He knows they're the right way to go with spirituality and you know / he's right. He's brave enough to call bullshit on Christians and he's the first president to set the record straight.


    you are a real fucking tool, it's comical

    Aw don't be so hard on the boy. The only difference between him and some of the others is he wears his love for Barak on his sleeve a bit more. The others drink the same Kool Aid.
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    Feb 11, 2015 4:10 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    tj85016 said
    TheBaise saidPresident Obama isn't being anything but real / just down with reality / when he exposed Christianity for what it is. Barak knows Islam and the Muslim people! He knows they're the right way to go with spirituality and you know / he's right. He's brave enough to call bullshit on Christians and he's the first president to set the record straight.


    you are a real fucking tool, it's comical

    Aw don't be so hard on the boy. The only difference between him and some of the others is he wears his love for Barak on his sleeve a bit more. The others drink the same Kool Aid.


    David Axelod in his book out today exposed Obama's scheme to get elected and lie about gay marriage.

    Same situation with healthcare.

    Who should believe one word out of his mouth?
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    Feb 11, 2015 5:00 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    socalfitness said
    tj85016 said
    TheBaise saidPresident Obama isn't being anything but real / just down with reality / when he exposed Christianity for what it is. Barak knows Islam and the Muslim people! He knows they're the right way to go with spirituality and you know / he's right. He's brave enough to call bullshit on Christians and he's the first president to set the record straight.


    you are a real fucking tool, it's comical

    Aw don't be so hard on the boy. The only difference between him and some of the others is he wears his love for Barak on his sleeve a bit more. The others drink the same Kool Aid.


    David Axelod in his book out today exposed Obama's scheme to get elected and lie about gay marriage.

    Same situation with healthcare.

    Who should believe one word out of his mouth?

    No one should believe anything he says.

    http://nypost.com/2012/05/13/the-bribe-to-silence-wright/
    “Barack said, ‘I’m sorry you [Wright] don’t see it the way I do. Do you know what your problem is?’ And I [Wright] said, ‘No, what’s my problem?’ And he said, ‘You have to tell the truth.’ I said, ‘That’s a good problem to have. That’s a good problem for all preachers to have. That’s why I could never be a politician.’
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    Feb 21, 2015 7:54 AM GMT
    StephenOABC saidIt was a cheap shot to try to bring Christianity down a peg.


    That must be faulty logic right? You're assuming Christianity was standing on something at all...unless you think it's floating? Well according to my religion, that happens some times when one meditates icon_biggrin.gif