Soy and Low T

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    Feb 09, 2015 7:13 PM GMT
    For the last several years, my testosterone has been very near the low end of the normal range for my age. I've recently started on Axiron (sorta messy, but no needles!), and while I've not yet been retested I believe I'm already starting to see results.

    I know for some guys, testosterone is just naturally low. While that may be the case for me, I've often wondered if there might be contributing factors. One thing that stands out as a possibility is the soy in my diet. From what I understand from summaries of certain studies, soy contains plant estrogens -- phytoestrogens -- which can mimic and raise estrogen levels, which in turn lowers testosterone levels.

    I'd heard of this rumored relationship for a very long time, but I finally completely banned soy from my diet about three weeks ago (by the way, the number of protein supplements listing soy as an ingredient is simply astounding).

    Anyone out there with real knowledge about this alleged relationship, or personal experience with soy?
  • Destinharbor

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    Feb 09, 2015 7:23 PM GMT
    Don't know about soy. But have spent some time with T therapy. I used Axiron until a newcomer coupon expired and it jumped to $250/month. You can get a compounding pharmacy to make up the exact same thing for $50-75/month. I've now got a hormone specialist I go to that prescribes a sublingual tablet that I take twice/day that reportedly is a more natural version of the T and is less likely to trigger complications. You may also need an estrogen suppressant like anastrozole and maybe finasteride. I had my Internist prescribing me stuff for a while and finally decided that wasn't his specialty and if I was going to mess with my body's chemistry, I wanted a specialist. You might consider it...
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    Feb 09, 2015 8:23 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidYes, it is a phytoestrogen but basically all edible vegetable sources and even some fruits and herbs we consume have phytoestrogens.

    There was a study done at UC Berkeley about phytoestrogens and some monkeys in South America or Africa and they determined that it changed their behavior; during certain times of the year they ate little to no food containing phytoestrogens, and at others lots. But at the end of the writeup they cautioned readers to note that this effect is species specific and we don't have any evidence that it's a factor with humans.
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    Feb 11, 2015 6:18 AM GMT
    Yup, nothing conclusive yet. Just anecdotal studies that show soy increases estrogen production. If you're that worried, then cut soy out of your diet and see if it helps.