Vaccinate your goddamn kids!

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    Mar 11, 2015 12:49 AM GMT

    As far as trust of big pharma and the government, that’s another issue. Big pharma has profits to make, and the government has a history of telling people what to do. That’s an image, communication, and credibility problem. But if you really think about it, the people who go into medicine to figure out ways to combat infectious disease actually have their hearts in the right place. They aren’t trying to make a magic pill that will allow you to lose weight without diet or exercise. They are trying to find a way to boost your own immune system. That’s what vaccines are — they expose you to a weakened version of the virus or just the protein coat of the virus, to teach your body to recognize it and kill it in case you do become infected. There’s no hocus-pocus, or wand waving; vaccines are effective because they work through natural pathways. They don’t fight diseases for you, nor do they just treat symptoms–they simply allow you or your children to fight diseases more effectively. So:

    Is big pharma out to make a profit? Yes.

    Do vaccines work? Yes.

    Is it OK that big pharma makes money off of an effective treatment? I like to think so.

    Another question is about the government — does the FDA do a good job at regulating the companies if they step out of line? When Upton Sinclair’s publication of The Jungle in 1906 exposed unsanitary conditions in the meatpacking industry, the Bureau of Chemistry (later the FDA) was created the same year to deal with this. If vaccines have chemicals that cause illnesses that hurt children, politicians would be lining up to denounce the companies and the FDA would be working overtime to shut them down. There’s nothing more appealing to a politician than saving the children, and at the end of the day, almost all politicians support vaccines, even in the GOP which is wary of any form of government intervention. That’s a pretty good barometer of their perceived (and actual) safety.

    As for as the alleged relationship between the MMR vaccine and Autism relationship is concerned, that has been dealt with before. Perhaps the most powerful and concise treatment of it that I have seen is a 90 second clip by Penn and Teller, which I highly recommend (contains explicit language). Right now there is no known cause of autism according to the Autism Society of America, and since many vaccines have removed mercury preservatives some years ago and children still develop autism, (and unvaccinated children can also develop autism) there’s really no good reason to believe in a solid connection between the two. I know it can be hard for parents of autistic children looking for answers. I hope they find those answers soon, but they will have to lay the blame elsewhere.

    For those of you who already think everyone should be vaccinated, take the time to listen and productively engage with your friends or loved ones who don’t want to be vaccinated, because you actually care about them. They’re more likely to listen to you than to a doctor, or a talking head on TV, or even a blogger on the internet.

    For those of you on the fence about vaccination or those of you who are disinclined to vaccinate yourself or your children, all I can say is that vaccines save lives and vaccines can save your children’s lives. Keep doing research, and keep an open mind.

    Important References:
    Nyhan, B. et al. Effective Messages in Vaccine Promotion: A Randomized Trial. Pediatrics. 2014. 133 (4).
    Thimerosal in vaccines:
    Mercury in Fish:
    Material Safety Data Sheet for Thimerosal:
    Autism Society of America:
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    Mar 11, 2015 12:59 AM GMT
    I'm very Pro-vaccines. The flu shot has saved me more than a few times from catching it from co-workers over the years.
    Hep A. Hep B. Great shots to have under your belt.
    I'd like to get a shingles vaccine the next time I'm at the Dr.
    Who the F wants to ever endure the shingles when you can avoid it for the rest of your life.
    Paranoia has never been my bag. Me thinks that some folks are more skerd' of da needle than anything...icon_wink.gif
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    Mar 12, 2015 1:32 AM GMT
    The irony is that many anti-vax people have probably already received vaccinations in their youth. And most of them are not autistic.
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    Mar 12, 2015 1:43 AM GMT
    Only in america thebrave...
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    Mar 12, 2015 4:46 AM GMT
    Rhi_Bran saidThe irony is that many anti-vax people have probably already received vaccinations in their youth. And most of them are not autistic.

    Could have fooled me.
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    Mar 12, 2015 5:05 AM GMT
    Hmm... but they are 'tards... nah... gotta be coincidence. icon_confused.gif
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    Mar 12, 2015 8:54 AM GMT
    The study that was released about vaccines causing autism was completely shut down and the doctor who released it was banned entirely because it was discovered he falsified results and findings to make it look like that.

    There is an actual Dutch study that investigated this and they found that there were similar numbers of children diagnosed with autism in kids who did and did not have vaccines.
    The whole mercury argument is also incorrect because the mercury component of vaccines have been removed from the children's immunisation schedule.

    I read that article from a medical journal that my local GP keeps in the waiting room but here is a link with heaps of studies about vaccination and autism with legitimate sources, mostly from .gov websites.

    I believe it's more coincidental with the fact that before autism could only be diagnosed when the person was an adult, and now with more knowledge and research it can be diagnosed at a young age, which is also around the age children have had their vaccinations (mostly around the MMR vaccination age).

    Let's get real guys, anyone that works in health care or child care HAVE to get all their immunisations up to date as that is the requirement of those industries.
    If vaccinations could actually cause autism there would be A WHOLE shit load of adult health or child care workers developing autism because if there is a component in the vaccine that can affect the body to cause autism, the effects would be visible in both children and adults.

    Aside from that, how else do you think a lot of the fatal communicable diseases have been drastically reduced?
    By magic?
    No, it is purely from vaccinations.
    I don't know in other countries but where I live I haven't heard of any case of anyone dying from tetanus because it is standard precaution to give that vaccination to anyone who presents in the hospital or local GP with cuts or wounds.