CPAC 2015 - rejects Log Cabin as event sponsor

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    Feb 22, 2015 9:53 AM GMT
    While news of this certainly frustrates me, I think there are other signs that the Republican Party is becoming more accepting in many parts of the country. The 2014 elections saw many more gay Republicans running for office than previous election cycles. In time, groups like the Log Cabin Republicans will not only be accepted, but will be cherished for diversifying the party, such as was the case for the many minority Republicans elected during the 2014 cycle.
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    Feb 22, 2015 1:08 PM GMT
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    Ok, now you understand a little better what I've been talking about, that a big bunch of shit went down in that decade? And this is long before the days of Act Up and Queer Nation, which many folks see as the start of the movement.

    At the beginning of the decade of the 70s I can't say that I had much in the way of influence given that I was only 16, but I was involved as much as I could be.

    I think I still have my little 'black book' full of phone numbers ... not so much written IN the book. but stuffed in there on bar napkins.

    I wasn't aware you've been talking about anything of interest here from your personal experiences. And I have studied that era since coming out, and don't recall seeing you mentioned.

    What is new to me is the networking that gays were using to coordinate their actions, pre-Internet. I know most of the important events & dates, but the background operational aspects are a revelation to me. Credit my military experience that I find it so fascinating.

    And if what you say about yourself is true, why do you deny that you're gay? Which you've done repeatedly here. Instead you've invented some kind of quasi-sexuality with which I think most of us are not familiar.

    But I am truly astonished by the things that bobbobbob did during that period. Now there's a pioneer. The sorts of things that need to be written down and remembered, studied even in our community. He & I are the same age, and while I was off playing soldier he was doing things I really envy.


    Again, I was 16 in 1970 so I wasn't involved nearly to the level that bobbobbob was. Plus, I was uncomfortable with some of the tactics used such as "We destroyed marriages, reputations, families, businesses, fortunes and careers and we did it without losing a minute's sleep about it". I did lose sleep over it.

    I understand why many thought that was a worthwhile tactic, but I wasn't one of them. This isn't a criticism of bobbobbob and I fully understand what was on their plate in Florida at that time. We didn't have anywhere near the level of bigotry up here in the north as they had in the deep south during those days and still have today.

    I preferred to work within the establishment at large and establishment Republican party as much as I could. My bit of activism did get me in enough trouble and even cost me a job with Michelin Tire back in the 70s when I came out at work a couple weeks after I'd been hired. This happened at the initial training at Lake Success, NY. I was sent home without the job with their reason being that I wouldn't be a good fit for their culture.

    And I don't deny that I'm gay ... I'm not gay. I'm all for same-sex relationships, it's just that I'm missing the sexual attraction component of it. I've had many very close relationships, but I wasn't interested in the homosexual sex of it, and frankly they've all been with straight guys anyway. I think I was confusing what's become known as a bromance with a full on homosexual relationship.

    My situation is no different than a 'straight' man wondering why the woodie or plumping as you call it when they were in a communal nude situation with other boys/men except that my situation was 180 degrees of that.

    Here I was telling everyone I was into same sex relationships (we didn't use the term gay yet) but I was missing the same sex sexual attraction piece of it. I'm rambling now saying the same thing over and over.
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    Feb 22, 2015 1:28 PM GMT
    @bobbobbob

    "About DADT. You do realize that after LCR had fought through the courts to get DADT repealed AND WON all but the final last ditch appeal, Obama jumped in and made it an exec order to steal the thunder. Mitch McConnell threw that bone to Obama in some of their negotiations."

    Sure was aware of this given that it was our chapter of LCR who was behind the 9th circuit case. And was well aware that it was the Obama Justice dept that was the adversary in court.

    "Whatever you do, don't throw you old little black book away. One day there may be a museum display for them and you can donate it. Just the idea of knowing there's someone alive out there besides me with one from the old days gives me chills. Thanks."

    That box of stuff hasn't been touched in at least 30 years. There's probably old Damrons in there, flyers about the Kismet picnic, early prides, etc. I'll dig down to it when I move next month.
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    Feb 22, 2015 1:44 PM GMT
    Let me put something in context for you...

    I talked earlier about "We destroyed marriages, reputations, families, businesses, fortunes and careers and we did it without losing a minute's sleep about it." I didn't expect people to be able to relate to that frame of mind.

    You have to understand what we - the gays in south Florida- were up against during that time. Gay doctors, lawyers, businessmen and other professionals were outed in newspapers. Gay owned businesses were made known through churches so they could be boycotted and black listed. Men and women lost their jobs, careers, homes and businesses all because some self righteous bitch named Anita Bryant decided she didn't like the idea of passing an ordinance in Dade county to protect gay apartment dwellers from being evicted just for being gay.

    They started the shit with us and they did so treating us like we weren't humans.

    Most of them got what they deserved for what they did to innocent gay people. Some of them got more than they deserved. Some got off too easy. But from 1977 to around 1987 there were scared heterosexuals and gay christian homophobes scared of their shadows. They came at us to indiscriminately hurt gays; we reciprocated in kind. We were better at than they were. Too damed bad for them.







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    Feb 22, 2015 1:54 PM GMT
    I agree Jameski.

    However there's a preponderance of infantile neo ideologues always ready to show their ignorance with name calling, insults and throwing race cards, homophobe cards, nazi cards, or any damned card they can trying to dominate debates when they never have reason or facts to support their party approved mantra and talking points.

    I'm not going to stoop to their levels of behavior to spat with them. But I'll take every opportunity to make them feel as low as they act.

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    Feb 22, 2015 2:00 PM GMT
    bobbobbob saidLet me put something in context for you...

    I talked earlier about "We destroyed marriages, reputations, families, businesses, fortunes and careers and we did it without losing a minute's sleep about it." I didn't expect people to be able to relate to that frame of mind.

    You have to understand what we - the gays in south Florida- were up against during that time. Gay doctors, lawyers, businessmen and other professionals were outed in newspapers. Gay owned businesses were made known through churches so they could be boycotted and black listed. Men and women lost their jobs, careers, homes and businesses all because some self righteous bitch named Anita Bryant decided she didn't like the idea of passing an ordinance in Dade county to protect gay apartment dwellers from being evicted just for being gay.

    They started the shit with us and they did so treating us like we weren't humans.

    Most of them got what they deserved for what they did to innocent gay people. Some of them got more than they deserved. Some got off too easy. But from 1977 to around 1987 there were scared heterosexuals and gay christian homophobes scared of their shadows. They came at us to indiscriminately hurt gays; we reciprocated in kind. We were better at than they were. Too damed bad for them.



    Actually, I do sort of understand. After all, I lost a job over it too.

    Environment was different up here in Central Ohio, and I thought I different set of tactics were best employed here. But what do I know? I was still just a snot faced kid just contrarian enough to come out to my entire high school through my speech class competition, and then since it was going to get out anyway, to my church the week after.

    We didn't have anything going on here, that I recall, that was anyways nearly as divisive as what you were going through in Florida.
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    Feb 22, 2015 2:21 PM GMT
    Jameski saidWhile news of this certainly frustrates me, I think there are other signs that the Republican Party is becoming more accepting in many parts of the country. The 2014 elections saw many more gay Republicans running for office than previous election cycles. In time, groups like the Log Cabin Republicans will not only be accepted, but will be cherished for diversifying the party, such as was the case for the many minority Republicans elected during the 2014 cycle.


    One of the pics in your profile looks very very familiar

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    Feb 22, 2015 6:13 PM GMT
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    MGINSD saidHere's LCR's statement on the issue. Scroll down to view it on left:

    http://www.logcabin.org/


    Thanks for telling some of LCR's history, Bobbo.


    My pleasure MGinSD.

    Come to Pensacola and buy me a few drinks and I'll tell you things the statutes of limitations haven't expired on. LOL. Gay political activity in the 1970s was better organized and effective on a national level than anything since then. No internet was even dream about back then. We could coordinate from South Florida to the west coast and all points in between in one evening using nothing but the "little black books" every self respecting queer kept of phone numbers of every gay contact they made. I've kept newspapers and magazines from the "Orange Juice War" days along with records from our meetings and some videotaped memoires of some of the other people who were instrumental in defeating Anita Bryant and the anti-gay legislation that popped up after she began her crusade.

    We didn't fight homophobes fairly or face to face. We destroyed marriages, reputations, families, businesses, fortunes and careers and we did it with out losing a minute's sleep about it. That was the only way we could make an asset of the fact that most openly gay men and women were still closeted in jobs, churches, families etc. It was a ready made nationwide spy network waiting to be put into action. Several professional athletes and notable celebrities were named and became willing financial supporters.

    The jackpot of that period was getting several confirmed reports about gays working for and with Jerry Falwell. Once they were contacted and felt pressured they became great informants to protect their own asses. They gave names of people in all levels of government, ministers across the USA and even their high priced confidential escorts who in turn gave more names and were more than helpful in creating havoc for straights and gays hiding as straights.

    In Time Magazine 1978 there was an article in which an FBI spokesman theorized gay lines of communication were working with spy rings from the USSR and were the greatest threat in the history of the US. We laughed about it. His name was on our suspect lists from men he'd had sex with in the military, law school and in DC. Shortly thereafter his wife, the New York Times and the FBI got pictures of him naked in a pool with a man... with a return address as the deceased former head of the FBI, J Edgar Hoover.

    .....and that's just some of the "tame" things I knew about at the time.


    And you're very welcome, Bobbo! My earliest official gay political activity of record was in 1977, when I helped prepare the IRC sec. 501(c)iii statement for the organization that became MOHR, the Michigan Organization for Human Rights; I may have done the Articles of Incorporation, too, but I remember the IRS work because my friend and I doing it got such a kick out of it on one of those cold Ann Arbor nights. The following year, in law school, I helped found, and named our G&L students assn., STIR: Students Together for Individual Rights. You know the rest of what I've done in the courts from the decision I sent you and from cross-referencing it on WestLaw or elsewhere.

    The fact is, there have been and will continue to be A LOT of gay rights battles fought by gay GOPers, against the GOP itself and anyone else who'd deny us our rights, and all the uninformed naysaying by the left will not "wash out a word of it."
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    Feb 22, 2015 6:17 PM GMT
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    Jameski saidWhile news of this certainly frustrates me, I think there are other signs that the Republican Party is becoming more accepting in many parts of the country. The 2014 elections saw many more gay Republicans running for office than previous election cycles. In time, groups like the Log Cabin Republicans will not only be accepted, but will be cherished for diversifying the party, such as was the case for the many minority Republicans elected during the 2014 cycle.


    One of the pics in your profile looks very very familiar

    photo IMG_0729-1.jpg


    That's Lake Louise, from the Chateau Lake Louise, north of Banff, AB, Canada, right? Spent a Valentine's Day there several years ago; spectacularly beautiful country!
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    Feb 23, 2015 9:36 AM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    Jameski saidWhile news of this certainly frustrates me, I think there are other signs that the Republican Party is becoming more accepting in many parts of the country. The 2014 elections saw many more gay Republicans running for office than previous election cycles. In time, groups like the Log Cabin Republicans will not only be accepted, but will be cherished for diversifying the party, such as was the case for the many minority Republicans elected during the 2014 cycle.


    One of the pics in your profile looks very very familiar

    photo IMG_0729-1.jpg


    That's Lake Louise, from the Chateau Lake Louise, north of Banff, AB, Canada, right? Spent a Valentine's Day there several years ago; spectacularly beautiful country!


    Close. That is actually lake Moraine. It is a few miles from Lake Louise. Both are beautiful lakes, but lake Moraine is considered by some to be the most beautiful alpine lake in the world.
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    Feb 23, 2015 1:55 PM GMT
    Jameski said
    MGINSD said
    freedomisntfree said
    Jameski saidWhile news of this certainly frustrates me, I think there are other signs that the Republican Party is becoming more accepting in many parts of the country. The 2014 elections saw many more gay Republicans running for office than previous election cycles. In time, groups like the Log Cabin Republicans will not only be accepted, but will be cherished for diversifying the party, such as was the case for the many minority Republicans elected during the 2014 cycle.


    One of the pics in your profile looks very very familiar

    photo IMG_0729-1.jpg


    That's Lake Louise, from the Chateau Lake Louise, north of Banff, AB, Canada, right? Spent a Valentine's Day there several years ago; spectacularly beautiful country!


    Close. That is actually lake Moraine. It is a few miles from Lake Louise. Both are beautiful lakes, but lake Moraine is considered by some to be the most beautiful alpine lake in the world.


    Correct.

    This is Lake Louise

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    and the chateau

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    Feb 24, 2015 4:44 AM GMT
    The Log Cabin Republicans grovel to be included in CPAC every year, and every year they are rejected, so how is this news?
    Newsflash: The GOP is getting MORE anti-gay, not less.
  • metta

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    Feb 24, 2015 4:51 PM GMT
    Log Cabin accepts invite to speak at CPAC

    "In a new development over its alleged inability to sponsor the Conservative Political Action Conference, Log Cabin Republicans has agreed to accept an invitation to speak at an upcoming panel during the event. Gregory Angelo, executive director of Log Cabin Republicans, announced in a statement on Monday that he’s set to represent his organization in a discussion titled “Putin’s Russia: A New Cold War?”

    http://www.washingtonblade.com/2015/02/23/log-cabin-accepts-invite-speak-cpac/
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    Feb 24, 2015 4:55 PM GMT
    metta8 saidLog Cabin accepts invite to speak at CPAC

    "In a new development over its alleged inability to sponsor the Conservative Political Action Conference, Log Cabin Republicans has agreed to accept an invitation to speak at an upcoming panel during the event. Gregory Angelo, executive director of Log Cabin Republicans, announced in a statement on Monday that he’s set to represent his organization in a discussion titled “Putin’s Russia: A New Cold War?

    http://www.washingtonblade.com/2015/02/23/log-cabin-accepts-invite-speak-cpac/


    Good, as that, IMO, is the 2nd most important issue in the world, following Islam and followed by China.
  • metta

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    Feb 26, 2015 7:32 AM GMT
    Conservative Conference Mixes Up Photos Of Ben Carson And Tim Scott

    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/conservative_conference_mixes_up_photos_of_dr_ben_carson_and_sen_tim_scott
  • metta

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    Mar 03, 2015 3:24 AM GMT
    Reporter Uses Grindr To Uncover Tons Of Gay Men At Right-Wing CPAC Gathering





    http://m.newnownext.com/what-happens-when-grindr-meets-the-conservative-political-action-conference/03/2015/