Gays that don't believe in the bible? Is this more common now, and would you befriend them?

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    Mar 07, 2015 4:52 PM GMT
    Second, Christianity is more than what you see it is.
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    Mar 07, 2015 5:00 PM GMT
    StephenOABC saidFuzzyPecs27

    The bible specifically speaks AGAINST religion.
    The bible has never been a proponent of religion.

    Stephenoabc

    You're in error. God establishes religion in the Torah.
    Jesus fulfills religion in the New Testament.
    Jesus taught people how to pray and dispensed blessings.

    FuzzyPecs27

    Believing in the creator is not religious. It's fact.

    Stephenoabc

    We know there is a space entity who is Creator?

    You're in error.

    The only thing we know is living creatures started growing on this planet.

    The only other thing we know is that the Sun was created by a nebula that dissipated--the Creator that comes in and goes out of existence. So, you do not know there is a Creator still around to believe in and worship. Sure, there are different nebulae in the Milky Way but there is not a monotheistic Creator around which to build a belief system.


    Correction:

    Sure, there are different nebulae in the Milky Way but there is not one Nebula-Creator around which to build a monotheistic belief system.
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    Mar 07, 2015 9:16 PM GMT
    bfirbs said
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    FRE0 saidThe idea that one must believe that everything in the Bible represents the Will of God is nonsense. Historically speaking, that idea is actually quite recent.

    Parts of the Bible are a reflection of ancient Hebrew culture that has nothing to do with the will of God. Other parts are ancient Hebrew history slanted to justify the ghastly things that the ancient Hebrews did. It may be that the inclusion of the above is in accordance with God's will to give us a better understanding of the ancient Hebrews, but that does not mean that we are expected to follow it.

    Some of the OT prophets were very concerned with fairness and justice; that does represent the will of God to the extent that it is relevant to today's situation. The Summary of the Law, as reiterated by Jesus, does represent the will of God. That is, somewhat condensed, to love God and our fellow human beings. Many Christian theologians see that as the entire law.

    The Ten Commandments and some other parts of the OT are compatible with the Summary of the Law and are generally binding.

    So, what is meant by believing the Bible requires some explanation. It's not an all or nothing thing.


    Actually that is a load of BS. The bible and new testament are the basis for your religion. Just like the torah for jews and quran for muslims. If you call yourself a member of a specific religion but don't believe in its scriptures then it means your not actually following that religion.
    And....all 3 of those religions are a complete farce. No other way to put it. Might as well believe in fairies, leprecauns, goblins and vampires.


    Not true!

    Do you know anything about the doctrines of the various Christian churches?

    In the Episcopal Church and other churches in the Anglican Communion, doctrine is NOT established by the Bible alone. Rather, it is established by scripture (the Bible), tradition, and reason. Many other denominations use similar criteria, even those which deny doing so.

    If doctrine were established by the Bible alone, churches would even permit polygamy since nowhere does the Bible prohibit polygamy except for bishops. However, tradition does prohibit polygamy; it is a tradition that was established by the early church.

    The Bible permits slavery. However, reason, combined with the command to love our neighbors as ourselves, make it clear that slavery is not acceptable.

    Jesus prohibited divorce, or at leaf remarriage after divorce. However, one must look at culture as it was back then. In ancient times, a divorced woman usually could not support herself by acceptable means; now she can. Applying the change in culture and reason, divorce and remarriage has been accepted, although considered unfortunate.

    You may have superficially read the Bible, but that is not enough to understand the basis of Christianity. It is not static and doctrines change as conditions and understandings change. There is also considerable diversity of opinion within Christianity, and even within individual denominations.

    On cannot accept blindly everything that is contained in ancient texts. We have been given brains and should use them!! That fact that some people attempt to follow ancient texts without thinking is a very serious problem.


    Yeah your still pretty full of crap! The doctrines of your religion whether you want to admit it or not come from the bible and testement. Your religious followers knows they are legally not allowed to do most of what the bible says so it picks and chooses what it wants and then makes up new doctrines as it goes along. Much like most other religions when its trying to keep people believing. So they make up new things and then try to find or fabricate points in the bible to give the "ok" on it. Even the bible itself has been changed repeatedly over the centuries. And the point of faith is literally to blindly accept it. That is why it is called faith and not fact. But keep pretending your a christian if it makes you feel better.


    Your post is yet more evidence that you do not understand what you are talking about. Contrary to what you seem to think, not all churches are governed the same way.

    In many churches, it is ultimately the congregation that leads, not the "leaders". For example, the ruling body of the Episcopal Church is the triennial General Convention which consists of deputies elected by the congregation. Financially independent parishes have the responsibility to hire and fire the entire staff, including the parish priest. There is considerable diversity of opinion and we are quite capable of respecting different opinions.

    Before you make more comments, I suggest that you take a few weeks to study and learn more about the subject.
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    Mar 08, 2015 7:49 PM GMT
    FRE0

    Not all churches are governed the same way.

    In many churches, it is ultimately the congregation that leads, not the "leaders".

    For example, the ruling body of the Episcopal Church is the triennial General Convention which consists of deputies elected by the congregation. Financially independent parishes have the responsibility to hire and fire the entire staff, including the parish priest. There is considerable diversity of opinion and we are quite capable of respecting different opinions.

    Stephen

    Anarchy with low standards is what you're describing.