What are your thoughts on capital punishment/death penalty

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    Mar 11, 2015 3:46 AM GMT
    bobbobbob said
    Other than that I agree with all the comments above except that I'd consider capital punishment for other things like

    Ponzi scammers and financial criminals, stock market manipulators who steal from hundreds or thousands of people and or screw wuth the economy to make a profit.

    All politicians, influence peddlers or campaign financiers convicted of corruption or any crimes related to the conduct of elections and government.

    News executives who knowingly report slanted news.

    Religious leaders twisting scriptures to justify any form of hate towards others by means of patently false information disguised as "belief."


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    Mar 11, 2015 3:57 AM GMT
    The death penalty is barbaric. It makes us no better than the murder. You don't teach someone something is bad by doing it yourself.
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    Mar 11, 2015 6:10 AM GMT
    Can we please just turn this into a bash Spazzy thread????

    That's something we ALL can agree on....icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 11, 2015 6:14 AM GMT
    I don't think it's used enough
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    Mar 11, 2015 6:21 AM GMT
    I think their should be a death penalty for every top that rejects me!!!icon_mad.gificon_mad.gificon_mad.gif
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    Mar 11, 2015 6:30 AM GMT
    Radd saidThe death penalty is barbaric. It makes us no better than the murder. You don't teach someone something is bad by doing it yourself.


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    Mar 11, 2015 6:56 AM GMT
    Sharkspeare saidI am totally against the death penalty, with the one exception of art dealers in New Orleans.

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    Mar 11, 2015 11:29 AM GMT
    Well locking them up in prison for life costs money
    YOUR money actually...
    My question is what is the right thing to do in these situations??
    Someone mentioned that the death penalty can bring closure to the family members..how though??
    The victim can't be brought back from the dead so it's basically revenge.
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    Mar 11, 2015 11:31 AM GMT
    Sharkspeare saidI am totally against the death penalty, with the one exception of art dealers in New Orleans.
    shame on you lol
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    Mar 11, 2015 11:38 AM GMT
    Really?? I thought it was the other way around.
    Imagine though..knowing you are on death row and waiting for like ten years how awful but some of these people really aren't contributing anything to society except pain and terror. And the thing is parents usually see the warning signs at a young age but do nothing about it.
    But if someone is evil to their very core can psychiatric help accomplish anything???
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    Mar 11, 2015 4:35 PM GMT
    I fully support the death penalty, for anyone, regardless of age, and believe the time-consuming and expensive impediments to its implementation beyond the usual habeas and appellate rights should be eliminated. Congress should limit the jurisdiction of the federal courts to preclude them from ruling on the method of execution in state death penalty cases.
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    Mar 11, 2015 5:01 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidI fully support the death penalty, for anyone, regardless of age, and believe the time-consuming and expensive impediments to its implementation beyond the usual habeas and appellate rights should be eliminated. Congress should limit the jurisdiction of the federal courts to preclude them from ruling on the method of execution in state death penalty cases.


    You get my vote.
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    Mar 11, 2015 5:33 PM GMT
    death penalty is one of the many ways of solution to the serious crime like murder and drug trafficking.
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    Mar 11, 2015 9:35 PM GMT
    venue35 saidReally?? I thought it was the other way around.

    The cost (millions, not billions) is for paying for the lawyers, investigators, and expenses for the defense of the accused guy (almost never a woman - they don't seem to do much murdering) in the original trial and in the various appeals. Rich people don't murder as a rule, and so in the US, the government always has to pay for the defendant's lawyers. They often get to appeal 3 times - once in the state courts, and sometimes twice in federal courts - on separate grounds. It takes a very long time (except in Texas), because there aren't enough experienced death penalty lawyers to go around, and not enough judges to read all the appeal papers.
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    Mar 11, 2015 10:18 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidI fully support the death penalty, for anyone, regardless of age, and believe the time-consuming and expensive impediments to its implementation beyond the usual habeas and appellate rights should be eliminated. Congress should limit the jurisdiction of the federal courts to preclude them from ruling on the method of execution in state death penalty cases.
    I'm glad that you are not in that kind of position of power. You sound extreme in your views..
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    Mar 11, 2015 10:21 PM GMT
    If a child molester is costing the country millions to wait on death row...well that is irritating obviously.
    I guess the solution isn't simple or they would have found it already. It's the appeals process that gets in the way.
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    Mar 12, 2015 12:39 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
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    venue35 saidReally?? I thought it was the other way around.

    The cost (millions, not billions) is for paying for the lawyers, investigators, and expenses for the defense of the accused.


    According to sources, it clearly states that in five years the numbers add up to a billion.

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    http://deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42

    "California could save $1 billion over five years by replacing the death penalty with permanent imprisonment.

    California taxpayers pay $90,000 more per death row prisoner each year than on prisoners in regular confinement.

    California has spent more than $4 billion on capital punishment since it was reinstated in 1978 (about $308 million for each of the 13 executions carried out)

    California spends an additional $184 million on the death penalty per year because of the additional costs of capital trials, enhanced security on death row, and legal representation.

    The study’s authors predict that the cost of the death penalty will reach $9 billion by 2030."

    Misread your post . Could very well be true for a five year period.
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    Mar 12, 2015 1:16 AM GMT
    America is one of only four developed nations that still imposes the death penalty, others are Japan, Singapore and south korea which hasnt implemented it in years.

    The only US states that carry it out are the red states, with big ol Texas taking up the vast majority of the cases.

    41% of death row immates are african american.

    Like every conservative american idealogy, its solely due to hate of minorities, name me one conservative stance in america that isnt discriminative of minorities.

    Guns, abortion, healthcare etc.
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    Mar 12, 2015 2:19 AM GMT
    venue35 said
    MGINSD saidI fully support the death penalty, for anyone, regardless of age, and believe the time-consuming and expensive impediments to its implementation beyond the usual habeas and appellate rights should be eliminated. Congress should limit the jurisdiction of the federal courts to preclude them from ruling on the method of execution in state death penalty cases.
    I'm glad that you are not in that kind of position of power. You sound extreme in your views..
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    Not at all. My opinion is based upon 62 years of living and 32 years of practicing law. And, it's based on the facts and experiences I've encountered in that time. Disagree if you will, but please don't mischaracterize my views.
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    Mar 12, 2015 2:23 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
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    venue35 saidReally?? I thought it was the other way around.

    The cost (millions, not billions) is for paying for the lawyers, investigators, and expenses for the defense of the accused.


    According to sources, it clearly states that in five years the numbers add up to a billion.

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    http://deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42

    "California could save $1 billion over five years by replacing the death penalty with permanent imprisonment.

    California taxpayers pay $90,000 more per death row prisoner each year than on prisoners in regular confinement.

    California has spent more than $4 billion on capital punishment since it was reinstated in 1978 (about $308 million for each of the 13 executions carried out)

    California spends an additional $184 million on the death penalty per year because of the additional costs of capital trials, enhanced security on death row, and legal representation.

    The study’s authors predict that the cost of the death penalty will reach $9 billion by 2030."

    Much of those costs are attributable to needless, if not frivolous, death penalty appeals, and the obstructionist efforts of outfits like the ACLU who are sworn opponents of the death penalty, however constitutional it may be. Add to that the sanctimonious posturing of errant federal judges, and the taxpayers are on the hook just as you say.
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    Mar 12, 2015 2:25 AM GMT
    i2ci2i22 saidAmerica is one of only four developed nations that still imposes the death penalty, others are Japan, Singapore and south korea which hasnt implemented it in years.

    The only US states that carry it out are the red states, with big ol Texas taking up the vast majority of the cases.

    41% of death row immates are african american.

    Like every conservative american idealogy, its solely due to hate of minorities, name me one conservative stance in america that isnt discriminative of minorities.

    Guns, abortion, healthcare etc.


    LOL! How about SNAP, ADFC, CETA, or the "safety net," - read, hammock - generally?
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    Mar 12, 2015 3:28 AM GMT
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    Radd saidThe death penalty is barbaric. It makes us no better than the murder. You don't teach someone something is bad by doing it yourself.


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    I'm with Radd and Svnw688 on this one. I am totally against the death penalty.
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    Mar 12, 2015 4:11 AM GMT
    I used to be all for it, then I was targeted by local law enforcement and spent a weekend in jail.
    It was all a big mistake, but it opened my eyes on how easy it is to frame someone, especially in a county where the sheriff need only complete 6th grade.
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    Mar 12, 2015 5:32 AM GMT
    i2ci2i22 saidAmerica is one of only four developed nations that still imposes the death penalty, others are Japan, Singapore and south korea which hasnt implemented it in years.

    Left out China, which imposes it a great deal (but not nearly enough for their corrupt officials), Saudi Arabia, and Iran (which is now on a real execution binge).


    41% of death row immates are african american.

    Like every conservative american idealogy, its solely due to hate of minorities, name me one conservative stance in america that isnt discriminative of minorities.

    Guns, abortion, healthcare etc.


    99.99% (probably 100%) of the men on death row in the USA - minority or otherwise - are there because they murdered someone and they got caught.
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    Mar 12, 2015 10:56 AM GMT
    I was just thinking about that.
    What about people sentenced to death who never committed the crime in the first place??
    It's happened all over the world.