Gay LDS(Morman) Bishop in San Francisco?

  • Muscmasmat

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    Mar 18, 2015 6:39 PM GMT
    Yesterday two LDS missionaries came to my door. I am always cordial and respectful to these guys because they are young, on their mission and it really does take a lot to do what they do. But I said, "I'm gay, so I don't think you want to talk to me". That typically is all it takes for them to leave. But this time they replied "That's OK, we have a gay Bishop in San Francisco".

    I've know a few Mormans over my life, and the people are always really nice, quality people, despite the beliefs of their church. As with many religions, there is a lot of good that comes with the bad.

    But a gay LDS bishop in SF was a surprise. I didn't discuss it any further and cordially sent them on their way. I have read a few books on the LDS church and was not interested in any additional information/interaction.

    I know the Utah legislature has just passed the bill to include gay and trans people in their non-discrimination laws, with the support of the LDS church.

    Does anyone know about a gay LDS Bishop in SF?

    Is the LDS church gradually becoming more inclusive with respect to gay and trans people?

    If there truly is a gay LDS Bishop in SF, I wonder if he is one of those that is gay but does not act on his feelings, as is the directive of some churches.
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    Mar 18, 2015 11:38 PM GMT
    Not a theologian here nor a mormon expert but from what I understand, the LDS church is more tolerant and inclusive of the LGBT community. There was an article a couple of years ago about Steve Young and his wife talking about the inclusion and the church's evolvement.

    I think the only aspect I don't agree or understand is when LDS states being gay is not a sin but acting on it is. It appears in their eyes, you're fine the way you are as long as you don't date or fuck around with the same sex. Anyone, feel free to correct me.
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    Mar 19, 2015 5:42 AM GMT
    Hmm... how to put this...

    Homosexuality is treated like an untreatable disease. Mormons no longer claim that homosexuality is a choice, but they have the choice of being celibate and intimately alone for their entire lives. They are treated like they are pitiable, and that God gave them that special trial to overcome. The bishop you mentioned is probably single.

    They USUALLY don't endorse the lifestyle of "My Husband's Not Gay" because it's been proven that those relationships are usually fraught with divorce and Mormons are obsessed with marriage, but they applaud it the rare few times that it happens. They consider it preferable if a homosexual person can force themselves through a cross-sexuality marriage. It's safe to say that they speak out of both sides of their mouth in many topics, not just this one. I could go into deeper explanation if you like, but that's the gist.

    Are they getting more progressive? Not willingly, but the bad press they constantly get is forcing them to grudgingly accept and include minorities. They don't mention that they have an astounding bleed rate of membership numbers. People aren't putting up with their stupid doctrine any more.

    Fun bonus tidbit, if you want to really piss off a Mormon, ask them if they believe in vain repetition of prayers. When they say "No," raise both arms at a 90 angle above your head, palms facing forward, bow slowly, and start chanting "Pay lay ale" over and over again. Or say "God, hear the words of my mouth" with the same gesture. Or mention Blood Atonement. Or Brigham Young's Adam-God Doctrine. Or Mountain Meadows Massacre. Or just use the word "cult" in reference to the faith. Or just freak them out with one of their secret Masonic handshakes. You can look 'em up online now.

    ...don't really do any of that. Unless they're being total douchebags.
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    Mar 19, 2015 8:11 PM GMT
    They're messing with you. I'm guessing the bishop's last name is Gay.
  • venue35

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    Mar 19, 2015 11:33 PM GMT
    some of them are really cute
    they look so clean cut as if they came from the 50's or 60's
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    Apr 08, 2015 12:33 PM GMT
    I think this will answer Tue question better than that hogwash someone else was saying it's short and to he point although they are being less vocally critical the church will not change the doctrine because it's biblical and hey do not have authorization to do so. SALT LAKE CITY — The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints released the following statement in reaction to the U.S. Supreme Court decision to not hear same-sex marriage appeals from Utah and four other states.

    The succession of federal court decisions in recent months, culminating in todays announcement by the Supreme Court, will have no effect on the doctrinal position or practices of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which is that only marriage between a man and a woman is acceptable to God. In prizing freedom of conscience and Constitutional guarantees of the free exercise of religion, we will continue to teach that standard and uphold it in our religious practices.

    Nevertheless, respectful coexistence is possible with those with differing values. As far as the civil law is concerned, the courts have spoken. Church leaders will continue to encourage our people to be persons of good will toward all, rejecting persecution of any kind based on race, ethnicity, religious belief or non-belief, and differences in sexual orientation.
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    Apr 08, 2015 12:42 PM GMT
    Utah anti-hate bill backed by Mormon church and LGBTI groups

    Utah lawmakers have unveiled legislation to protect LGBT individuals against employment and housing discrimination while also protecting religious freedoms
    The Utah State Capitol
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    Lawmakers in Utah are today discussing anti-discrimination legislation which they believe could keep both LGBTI campaigners happy and those with strongly held religious beliefs concerning homosexuality.

    The proposed legislation, SB296, has receiving the backing of the Mormon church.

    AP reports that the legislation was introduced at a news conference at the Utah State Capitol in Salt Lake City yesterday. The conference featured both LGBTI-rights activists and representatives of the Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints – along with Utah’s Republican lieutenant governor, Spencer Cox.

    As same-sex marriage becomes law in an increasing number of US states, lawmakers across the country are seeing proposals for anti-discrimination bills going head to head with proposals for religious freedom bills.

    Lawmakers in Utah think that should their legislation be passed – which is likely given the support of the Mormon Church – then it could act as a blueprint for similar laws across the US.

    ‘If Utah can do this, my opinion, it can be done anywhere else in the nation,’ said State Sen. Stuart Adams, who expressed the view that the legislation respects the rights of some while not infringing on the rights of others.

    ‘It’s not perfect but it’s symbolic of an effort to move forward and protect the freedoms of everyone, mindful that there can be unintended consequences and sometimes we swing the pendulum so hard to protect some we forget the rights of others, and I don’t think anyone wants that to happen.’

    ‘This is an exciting moment in Utah history,’ Equality Utah Executive Director Troy Williams said in a statement.

    ‘Today, we prove that protections for gay and transgender Utahns can stand alongside protections for people of faith. One need not harm the other. The legislation we have crafted is a win-win for all Utahns.’

    The legislation was also praised by Bruce Bastian, a member of Human Rights Campaign’s Board of Directors.

    ‘This statewide non-discrimination bill is a huge accomplishment showing that fair minded individuals who do not always agree can put forward something that is good for our citizens and for our state.’

    ‘When passed, this will put Utah on the map as an example of what can be done when we work together.’

    His views were echoed by HRC’s vice president, Fred Sainz, who said, ‘The fact that employers will be prohibited from discriminating, and the fact that the LDS church could work towards common ground should be a model for common ground.

    ‘Legislation is about compromise. The idea is, were you able to preserve principles important to your community, and the principles most important to our community were preserved and strengthened.’

    The legislation bars LGBTI people from facing discrimination in employment or housing, but allows religious organizations exemption. The Boy Scouts of America will also be exempt.

    It also protects the right of individual employees to express their religious or moral beliefs in ‘reasonable, non-disruptive or non-harassing’ ways, provided it doesn't interfere with company business.

    While it would become illegal to fire someone or deny them housing because they were LGBTI, it would be similarly illegal to fire someone who speaks out against same-sex marriage or homosexuality on religious grounds.

    Speaking on behalf of the Mormon church, D. Todd Christofferson, a member of the church's Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, said, ‘It is better if both sides get most of what is desired than to have a winner-take-all where one side loses.’
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    Apr 08, 2015 4:10 PM GMT
    The movie "Latter Days" was pretty good. I watched it when I first 'came in' and admitted to myself I was gay. It's about a Mormon missionary in LA who falls for his next door neighbor.

    I grew up evangelical Christian with a similar culture to Mormons. My family has told me similar things to what the LDS church tells its gay members- God loves you, he just wants you to be single and celibate (aka sexually frustrated and miserable) for your whole life. They think this is love because the best thing for you is to be in line with God's will.

    The LDS can evolve with the times in ways evangelicals can't though. According to Christians the canon is closed. God finished writing the bible 2000 years ago and there is no more revelation to be had. It's all just interpretation of what he already said. The LDS teaches that there is still new revelation from God to be had. Don't be shocked if God tells them in a few decades that gays can get married and go to a special gays only planet in the afterlife. Just like God told them 100 years after Joseph Smith that it was OK for blacks to join the priesthood.