MILK

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    Feb 05, 2009 6:45 AM GMT
    I hate most GVS movies. My Own Private Idaho was painful to watch and he had River Phoenix and Keanu Reeves in it. How can you go wrong? But, this time he did an amazing job. He let the story be the main character.
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    Feb 05, 2009 6:51 AM GMT
    to the topic creator, when you are critiquing a film, when you say stupid and waste of time, it would be better if you elaborate or explain why... why was it stupid, why was it a waste of shit time... why would u go back and ask for your ten bucks back... whatever...

    i have never heard of Harvey Milk, but i am a fan of GVS... i saw the film, and i thought it had a great story, great shots, great acting, amazing camera movement and an amazing ending... i surely did not think it is a waste of time ...

    though i really would love to know why you hated this film ... thanks
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    Feb 05, 2009 7:09 AM GMT
    Just saw the movie and thought it was both a good movie and educational . . . . . .some of the scenes are eerily similar to last years anti prop 8 protests/rallies. There's a youtube video from a post prop 8 vote protest that shows MILK was playing at the Castro Street Theater when the measure passed.
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    Feb 05, 2009 8:40 AM GMT
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    I study cinema , and as I see it it's an amazing movie, the structure and the shots .. the characters and places really take you there .. it's almost documentary, but there are lots of things that made it a great touching story ...




    Yeah I used to feel that way too. Until I saw the documentary, "The Life and Times of Harvey Milk" and realized they ripped off most of the documentary. If you've seen them both, "Milk" just kind of seems like they just acted out the documentary. I still liked the feature film though. I just don't think quite as highly of it's originality anymore.


    Sorry but I can`t agree.Also you misspell the title,it`s "The Times of Harvey Milk".On that one,Milk`s personal life is mainly missing and it`s more about what some of his close friends thought of him.Yet in "Milk",his personal life is almost as important as his political career.We got to know two of his boyfriends and got the chance to know him better as a human being.

    I think both films are very well done,but in quite different ways.So far I`ve already seen Milk in theatre five times,and planning to see it again in the coming week.
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    Feb 05, 2009 8:46 AM GMT
    A big thank you goes to RJ`s administrator,for putting this on the front page.

    http://www.realjock.com/article/1343/
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    Feb 05, 2009 9:04 AM GMT
    I really enjoyed it for the same reasons many have already stated...and how hot was Mr Milk's boyfriend?

    The other thing I enjoyed almost as much as the film was that I watched it at a relatively mainstream cinema alongside a really mixed audience of folk of all ages and, of whom many were hetero couples. As a result, the whole time I couldn't help but feel really excited about this movie - about an instrumental gay activist - reaching such a predominantly hetero audience...

    While I may live in pretty gay city (Sydney), and I'm sure the audience was likely a progressive crowd (surely?) - I never could have imagined experiencing a movie like this in a mainstream cinema in Australia 10 years ago.
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    Feb 05, 2009 9:35 AM GMT
    muchmorethanmuscle said

    I don't see how you can have such a negative opinion of the movie. It's because of men like Harvey Milk that we are much more accepted in society today. Imagine a world without pioneers to fight for minorities. We'd all have a lot less today if it weren't for these intrepid pioneers.

    Come to think of it, I can't think of any biopic movie that I've seen in the past that I didn't like.

    I'm not sure if you simply don't appreciate history or if it's because you a self loathing homosexual?


    never said i had a negitave opinion just not my type of movie and i dont see y every gay in the world is flipping out over it.
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    Feb 05, 2009 9:43 AM GMT
    Harvey Milk could done a lot more for the gay community if he wasn't assassinated.
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    Feb 05, 2009 10:05 AM GMT
    I hear you. I found it very interesting historically but I would have preferred to see the documentary. Personally I am just completely over Hollywood biopics as they are produced all the same formula. Ray, Walk the Line, Milk ,El Cantante, La Bamba.

    1) Humble beginnings
    2) Inspiring moment in life which causes change
    3) trying to succeed in what they want to do
    4) Failing
    5) Montage of them "getting their act together and really trying hard" or getting their big break
    6) Success
    7) Death of them or of a loved one
    8 ) Sad music with slow motion
    9) End


    I'm not sure how the film students here could not notice this. Plus, and I've said this before.....the musical score was overdone and completely formulaic crap. These two things turned the movie from awesome to good, IMO. I think the way these movies fail is that they try to tell the entire story of a person's life (or a lot of it) in 1.5 - 2 hours. Think it would be better to focus on a period in their life, instead of it all.


    And personally I think Van Sant peaked at Drugstore Cowboy, but most of his movies have been average or poor. Honorable mention goes to My Own Private Idaho and Good Will Hunting. I know its not "cool" to not adore him, but I don't.

    and for the record, I overall don't like smash-em-up explosion movies either.
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    Feb 05, 2009 10:24 AM GMT
    Well Milk is acutally a bit longer than 2 hours...
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    Feb 05, 2009 10:51 AM GMT
    L0NEvvolf saidAnyone else think it looks/was stupid, and a waste of time to see?


    'cos you're a g0y! icon_surprised.gificon_eek.gificon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 05, 2009 4:23 PM GMT
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    L0NEvvolf saidAnyone else think it looks/was stupid, and a waste of time to see?


    'cos you're a g0y! icon_surprised.gificon_eek.gificon_rolleyes.gif


    I thought we sprayed for those! Where the Orkin man when you need him?
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    Feb 05, 2009 4:29 PM GMT
    L0NEvvolf said
    muchmorethanmuscle said

    I don't see how you can have such a negative opinion of the movie. It's because of men like Harvey Milk that we are much more accepted in society today. Imagine a world without pioneers to fight for minorities. We'd all have a lot less today if it weren't for these intrepid pioneers.

    Come to think of it, I can't think of any biopic movie that I've seen in the past that I didn't like.

    I'm not sure if you simply don't appreciate history or if it's because you a self loathing homosexual?


    never said i had a negitave opinion just not my type of movie and i dont see y every gay in the world is flipping out over it.


    Calling it stupid and a waste of time is expressing a negative opinion.
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    Feb 05, 2009 4:31 PM GMT
    vindog saidI hear you. I found it very interesting historically but I would have preferred to see the documentary. Personally I am just completely over Hollywood biopics as they are produced all the same formula. Ray, Walk the Line, Milk ,El Cantante, La Bamba.

    1) Humble beginnings
    2) Inspiring moment in life which causes change
    3) trying to succeed in what they want to do
    4) Failing
    5) Montage of them "getting their act together and really trying hard" or getting their big break
    6) Success
    7) Death of them or of a loved one
    8 ) Sad music with slow motion
    9) End


    I'm not sure how the film students here could not notice this. Plus, and I've said this before.....the musical score was overdone and completely formulaic crap. These two things turned the movie from awesome to good, IMO. I think the way these movies fail is that they try to tell the entire story of a person's life (or a lot of it) in 1.5 - 2.5 hours. Think it would be better to focus on a period in their life, instead of it all.


    And personally I think Van Sant peaked at Drugstore Cowboy, but most of his movies have been average or poor. Honorable mention goes to My Own Private Idaho and Good Will Hunting. I know its not "cool" to not adore him, but I don't.

    and for the record, I overall don't like smash-em-up explosion movies either.


    terryf saidWell Milk is acutally a bit longer than 2 hours...


    Fixed
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    Feb 05, 2009 5:36 PM GMT
    Apparently the movie was well researched as so many of the actual people played by the characters are still alive like Cleve Jones (who was instrumental in the creation of the AIDS Quilt) so they were able to advise on the movie. At the end of the movie there are pictures of the actual people that took part in this history. This is a chance for the viewer to see what an excellent job was done with casting, that is, not only did the actors “act” like the actual people but in most cases they “looked” like the actual people.

    This is why this is an excellent movie because there was great attention paid to detail. Sean Penn’s acting job is not just superb, it is nothing short of miraculous. He “is” Harvey Milk in this movie. His facial expressions, the way he moves and all the rest of Harvey’s mannerisms he had down perfectly.

    However, there was one scene in the movie that struck me as kind of strange just because it seemed so unlikely. In the beginning of the movie Harvey meets a cute blond guy in a stairwell of the New York subway system. While passing him on the stairs he notices the guy and turns around to quickly ask him to come home with him because it is his birthday. Does anyone know if this scenario is based on any historical fact? Is this how he met the guy he moves to San Francisco with?
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    Feb 05, 2009 5:43 PM GMT
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    L0NEvvolf saidAnyone else think it looks/was stupid, and a waste of time to see?


    'cos you're a g0y! icon_surprised.gificon_eek.gificon_rolleyes.gif


    Because you'd have to be g0y to dislike a "gay" movie. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I haven't seen it and don't plan to, not after watching the trailers. I'll wait for one that isn't quite as stereotypical to come along.
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    Feb 05, 2009 5:50 PM GMT
    RyanReBoRn said
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    L0NEvvolf saidAnyone else think it looks/was stupid, and a waste of time to see?


    'cos you're a g0y! icon_surprised.gificon_eek.gificon_rolleyes.gif


    Because you'd have to be g0y to dislike a "gay" movie. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I haven't seen it and don't plan to, not after watching the trailers. I'll wait for one that isn't quite as stereotypical to come along.


    Good lord kid. Your posts have become a singularity of dumbness so massive not even the faintest glimmer of intelligence can escape their pull.
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    Feb 05, 2009 5:52 PM GMT
    Firstly If you haven't seen the movie then you've no right to have an opinion on it.

    If you can't appreciate the past, and the struggle of your Gay and Lesbian brothers and sisters then you should be ashamed of yourself.

    The freedoms we have today, which many other societies can only dream of, were won by predecessors.

    Show some respect and gratitude.

    It's a great film, well made and with a tremendous central performance from Sean Penn.

    Go see it.

    Loz
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    Feb 05, 2009 5:58 PM GMT
    I personally preferred the documentary to the fictional telling, but I thought the film was a good biopic about an important historical figure. What was really amazing about the pic was how you have burly Sean Penn playing the effeminate and strong Milk and it's entirely credible, even moving. I forgot I was watching "Sean Penn, the Actor" and I'm not sure that's ever happened before with his performances.

    Van Sant's direction was controlled if lacking the lyricism of his Elephant or Last Days. The film's depiction of a far-gone San Fran felt genuine, if a bit "white washed" but overall, it's a good film and one gays in the US should see if for no other reason to know that we have a past which we can be proud of. Certainly in the age of Prop 8, we need films like this to bolster and galvanize the movement that we are in the process of undertaking.
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    Feb 05, 2009 6:02 PM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite said
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    L0NEvvolf saidAnyone else think it looks/was stupid, and a waste of time to see?


    'cos you're a g0y! icon_surprised.gificon_eek.gificon_rolleyes.gif


    Because you'd have to be g0y to dislike a "gay" movie. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I haven't seen it and don't plan to, not after watching the trailers. I'll wait for one that isn't quite as stereotypical to come along.


    Good lord kid. Your posts have become a singularity of dumbness so massive not even the faintest glimmer of intelligence can escape their pull.


    I am dying here!!!!!!!! I am laughing so hard, I am dying!!!!!!!!!!!icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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    Feb 05, 2009 6:04 PM GMT
    alexander7 said
    GuerrillaSodomite said
    RyanReBoRn said
    ZiMsTeR said
    L0NEvvolf saidAnyone else think it looks/was stupid, and a waste of time to see?


    'cos you're a g0y! icon_surprised.gificon_eek.gificon_rolleyes.gif


    Because you'd have to be g0y to dislike a "gay" movie. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I haven't seen it and don't plan to, not after watching the trailers. I'll wait for one that isn't quite as stereotypical to come along.


    Good lord kid. Your posts have become a singularity of dumbness so massive not even the faintest glimmer of intelligence can escape their pull.


    I am dying here!!!!!!!! I am laughing so hard, I am dying!!!!!!!!!!!icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif

    Don't worry. I know CPR.
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    Feb 05, 2009 6:20 PM GMT
    alexander7 said
    However, there was one scene in the movie that struck me as kind of strange just because it seemed so unlikely. In the beginning of the movie Harvey meets a cute blond guy in a stairwell of the New York subway system. While passing him on the stairs he notices the guy and turns around to quickly ask him to come home with him because it is his birthday. Does anyone know if this scenario is based on any historical fact? Is this how he met the guy he moves to San Francisco with?


    I can`t find the links now,but from what I heard,it was actually how they met each other.Some of the details are made up(since Scott Smith already passed away and only he and milk would knew exactly how) but the basic concept is based on reality.
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    Feb 05, 2009 6:32 PM GMT
    I WILL ignore your way of asking the question and just move on/past and respond with it IS a GREAT movie and VERY relevant to our struggle now.
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    Feb 05, 2009 6:46 PM GMT
    Recommend these two reviews from Afterelton.com:

    http://www.afterelton.com/movies/2008/11/milkalovestory
    http://www.afterelton.com/movies/2008/11/reviewmilk

    I happen to really love this film,one of the major reasons is that it does not shy away from "gay scenes".Usually this kind of film will try to avoid some of the intimate and nude scenes to not make the straight audience uncomfortable.But some of Milk`s kissing and make out scenes are quite "in your face".I seriously can`t remember any other mainstream movies had done anything like this.

    Also I`m amazed by the diversity in the audience.For the past five times that I went,usually around noon and in the afternoon there were most elderly folks,quite a few of them were straight couple.And during the night the audience were younger,but still,some ladies came together and several middle-aged straight couple and young lovers.But what saddened me was that there were not many gay guys,especially younger ones.It is a shame that a huge part of younger generation in our community won`t even give this amazing film a chance.
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    Feb 05, 2009 6:57 PM GMT
    One reason that I admire Milk so much is that he`s willing to reach out to all the minority out there,not necessarily just the gays,also the women,the black and the asian,etc.There is this one part that wasn`t clearly mentioned in this film,but was included in"The Times of Harvey Milk",that he had done a lot for the local chinese community back then.icon_sad.gif That`s one of the part that I wish they could include in this film,so that maybe could help change a few minds in the asian(and other) community.