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    Feb 06, 2009 2:50 PM GMT
    Instead I ask all of you that served to Place down your branch, country, length of service, military honors, wars served etc...

    Or post your comments honoring a loved one that served or is serving. If they died in the defense of your country, please post a picture as well. Lets HONOR out military and those who served.


    Myself: USAF Major 1984-1997
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    Feb 06, 2009 3:25 PM GMT
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    Feb 06, 2009 5:02 PM GMT
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    Feb 06, 2009 6:45 PM GMT
    9 years and counting Active Duty Army, OIF II (Iraq 2004)
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    Feb 06, 2009 6:56 PM GMT
    Grandmother - Army pilot instructor, even though they wouldn't let her enlist (being a woman)

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    Feb 06, 2009 6:58 PM GMT
    Me : USAF 2006 - Present
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    Feb 06, 2009 7:02 PM GMT
    Cowboiway saidThe is a topic posted called military propaganda. This boy needs to learn a lesson. However, we can not teach him.

    Instead I ask all of you that served to Place down your branch, country, length of service, military honors, wars served etc...

    Or post your comments honoring a loved one that served or is serving. If they died in the defense of your country, please post a picture as well. Lets HONOR out military and those who served.


    Myself: USAF Major 1984-1997
    My Father WWII
    My Brothers Veitnam


    Thanks to all you guys who have been or are still there, ready to defend our country from real threats.

    Here is the "Military Propaganda" post:

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/417026/

    The kid is merely trying to shed some light on the sketchy methods that our current military uses to build their forces. He does paint with a bit of a broad brush at times, but for the most part his post is important.

    If the military did honest recruiting to people mature enough to make their own decisions, perhaps the post-tour suicide rates and countless other psych problems would be a lot lower.

    You may resume your indulgence of the ranch guy who thinks he is a boi (and who got the aforementioned post all wrong).
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    Feb 06, 2009 7:09 PM GMT
    Maternal Grandfather - Sergeant in the Canadian Artillery 1916-1918 (see link);

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    Paternal Grandfather - Corporal in the Canadian Signal Corps 1916-1918;

    Two Great Uncles - Canadian Army World War I;

    Great Uncle by Marriage - Canadian Army Chaplain, World War I.

    My mom had a first cousin who flew Hawker Hurricane fighter bombers over Burma in WWII
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    Feb 06, 2009 7:11 PM GMT
    US Army, 1969 - 1994, 25 years

    Private E-1 to Colonel O-6, Military Police Corps, now disabled

    My father & uncles all in WWII, and I'm named after an uncle who died at Normandy. Even my mother served in stateside Civil Defense during the war, her mother in an aircraft factory (though in admin, no Rosie the Riveter she... LOL!)

    My ancestors have fought honorably in every US conflict from the American Revolution onward.

    I happen to chat regularly with the outstanding young guy who started that Military Propaganda thread. He's bright, insightful, wise far beyond his years, and I count him among my online friends.

    I agree he may have engaged in some questionable hyperbole in that thread. Are the young not hot of passion and at times over-quick to judgment? Please don't be too harsh on him.

    If I can understand some of the valid points he made, I hope some of you can, too. In emails to me in the past he's congratulated me for my military service, so I know he's not some blind anti-military fanatic. We've exchanged fine points on military history, proving he's far more knowledgeable and sympathetic about military matters than you might imagine.

    I welcome this thread to honor the military. I hope it doesn't come at the expense of a decent guy who may not really need the "lesson" you think.
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    Feb 06, 2009 7:38 PM GMT
    Cowboiway saidThe is a topic posted called military propaganda. This boy needs to learn a lesson. However, we can not teach him.

    I dunno. I seem to have gotten through to him pretty ok. Maybe if you tried talking and discussing rather than shoving your head up your ass and getting pissed off about the whole thing.
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    Feb 06, 2009 8:28 PM GMT
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    Cowboiway saidThe is a topic posted called military propaganda. This boy needs to learn a lesson. However, we can not teach him.

    I dunno. I seem to have gotten through to him pretty ok. Maybe if you tried talking and discussing rather than shoving your head up your ass and getting pissed off about the whole thing.


    This thread is to honor the military not for your condesending attitude. Take your comment elswhere
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    Feb 06, 2009 8:50 PM GMT
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    Cowboiway saidThe is a topic posted called military propaganda. This boy needs to learn a lesson. However, we can not teach him.

    I dunno. I seem to have gotten through to him pretty ok. Maybe if you tried talking and discussing rather than shoving your head up your ass and getting pissed off about the whole thing.


    This thread is to honor the military not for your condesending attitude. Take your comment elswhere

    But I have an issue with your comments here. Why would I take them somewhere else?
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    Feb 06, 2009 8:53 PM GMT
    because it is to honor the military not for your self centered attirude...you want to make a comment to me, keep it in the other thread..it is so wonderful to see so many peopel out here take an thread meant to homor people who protect thier lives and use it to bash the military.
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    Feb 06, 2009 9:43 PM GMT
    Cowboiway saidbecause it is to honor the military not for your self centered attirude...you want to make a comment to me, keep it in the other thread..it is so wonderful to see so many peopel out here take an thread meant to homor people who protect thier lives and use it to bash the military.

    I'm pretty sure I'm not bashing the military. And like I said before, I take issue with what you have said in THIS thread, as well as the other. I'm going to deal with each issue separately though. I think it would be a better honor to the military you hold so dear though, to take the time to educate him properly, in a courteous and professional manner.
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    Feb 06, 2009 10:08 PM GMT
    Everyone on this site serving our country, and everyone that does. THANK YOU!

    The people who run this country suck! never take it out on the men and women that serve for us! Like that person on the other post said, they do use some tactics to get you in but its asking to serve you're country, no honor is higher then that. But if you only join to further a career, and see the military as your way out, dont bother. We need people that care about people and serve us. I for one would only join to protect each and every one of you from harm. My life to protect yours....


    Dad
    step dad
    cousins
    many friends.

    I know 15 people that including my dad and step dad that died serving this country.


    Thank you....
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    Feb 06, 2009 10:15 PM GMT
    HotToddy said
    Cowboiway saidThe is a topic posted called military propaganda. This boy needs to learn a lesson. However, we can not teach him.

    I dunno. I seem to have gotten through to him pretty ok. Maybe if you tried talking and discussing rather than shoving your head up your ass and getting pissed off about the whole thing.


    Wow there is a rational thought. This thread is meant to solely insult me... which it doesn't, Cowboiway.

    Why not? You would know if you read all of my posts and/or knew what was truly in my heart instead of personally attacking me in order to (most likely) make yourself feel better. It's not gonna work. Cause this is a good thread.
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    Feb 06, 2009 10:17 PM GMT
    Beyond a number of my close friends, both my grandfathers and one of my grandmothers were active in the military in their time, and for that I thank them.
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    Feb 06, 2009 10:34 PM GMT
    Bottom line is that many join only to get ahead in life.

    This isnt wise.... The military or any kind of service isnt gonna get you a career, that is up to you.

    Many that try get nothing in return... But some have great jobs because the military paid for their education and so forth.

    You're serving your country and putting your life on the line.The only thing they can give back is to advance you in life and honor you.. Its up to you where you take your life.

    Many in the military dont really care, they just want a free education. Sure i honor them regardless but still dont like the reasons for joining.

    But its a give and take situation.....

    You give, they give, and both take....the way a relationship works. If you treat it as a relationship, you come to love what you do and who you do it for.
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    Feb 06, 2009 10:45 PM GMT
    OK, I'm going to violate a "netiquette" rule and post something that was emailed to me by cjcscuba some months ago. We were discussing the importance of the role of Colonel Joshua Chamberlain during the Battle of Gettysburg. How many of YOU are conversant on this military topic? I quote him directly:

    "July 2nd, 1863 (the 2nd day of the battle) the politician turned Union General Dan Sickle decided to move his entire Third Corps foward several hundred yards to "higher ground". Though he was on higher ground, he left both of his flanks exposed, and detached his line from the Second Corps... exposing their left flank as well. It was too late for Meade to try and fix Sickle's mess... who disobeyed orders... the Union line was going to try and hold as best as possible.

    Winfred Hancock, Second Corps commander, sent in the 1st Minn to bridge the gap made betweenthe 3rd and 2nd Corps' flanks. One regiment held back the onslaught of an entire Confederate brigade." etc...

    This "kid" knows his military history, a subject I once taught in college. And knowing who and what I am (or was) in the military, he posted this to my RJ home page as a Testimonial: "I respect him so much." (There's more, but go there if you want and read the rest yourself)

    This is not someone whom I judge hateful or disrespectful of the military. I really wish we'd terminate this line, and join in the positive acknowledgement of those who serve in uniform, which I know cjcscuba endorses.
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    Feb 06, 2009 10:50 PM GMT
    Myself: US Navy 1995-1997 E-4
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    Feb 06, 2009 11:25 PM GMT
    Navy
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    1974-78 Reserves

    Dad - World War II, Navy, combat in the Pacific

    Uncle - World War II Navy, survived the attack on Pearl Harbor

    A boy scout/high school bud, Mike T. attended the Air Force Academy, became an Electronic Warfare Officer, and was shot down over N. Vietnam in 1972. Missing, no body recovered. A wonderful guy and only son, his loss left his parents and sister proud but grieved beyond consolation except for their Christian/Catholic faith.

    "A nation that forgets its veterans will soon be forgotten"

    It's inspiring to see men who have served or are serving their country posting here. Thanks.







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    Feb 07, 2009 12:31 AM GMT
    jockfever saidIt's inspiring to see men who have served or are serving their country posting here. Thanks.

    I'll tell you what's especially inspiring to me: that all these guys here are GAY. They wore or still wear a uniform, many of them fought in combat, they saluted our US flag with pride, and they are all GAY.

    What a wonderful statement of who we gays are, WHAT we are, and how wrongly our enemies portray us. Every one of these guys are not only American heroes, but gay heroes, living proof of our right to assume all the civil blessings enjoyed by every American.

    And if brave military service is any criteria, perhaps having even MORE right to stake our claim to what the Constitution states is our heritage: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Protected & guaranteed by those who proudly wear the uniform of our country.
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