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    Feb 09, 2009 4:57 AM GMT
    Hah, but it's probably not at all what you are thinking. As I said in another thread, I have and still am considering joining the military. So I am humbly beseeching your advice.

    So, I'm a college graduate, and really have little idea what I truly want to do with my life. My interests lie in foreign languages, intelligence, and logistics. I know English, French, and German. I'd like to remain/reside in the Eurozone if possible. So, with that in mind:

    1) What branch do you think is the best as far as my interests go?
    2) Any advice on various military careers?
    3) Basically, this is where I'd like all current/former military personnel to give me the real deal. Not the bullshit that comes from the recruiters. I know that recruiters are great resources for the actual procedure of joining, but at the end of the day their job is to get you to join. I am asking you guys to actually give me the no holds back real truth of what's going on.

    Also, I have one major reservation about joining the military. I know that this will likely not always be an issue, but it is at the present time, and I think now is probably the right time for me to join, if I were to. As an out and proud gay man, I see very little motivation for me to put myself back in the closet. Yes, DADT will probably soon be repealed, but it's not all going to be kittens and sunshine right away. Of course I will have to at worst completely hide or at best play my sexuality down. Would it really be worth it for me to go back in the closet?
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    Feb 09, 2009 5:38 AM GMT
    The FBI is actively hiring people with foreign language skills. That's another option. And I hear the Department Of State is hiring as well.

    Considering your interests and educational background, I think the Navy or Air Force might be a good fit. Both branches have MOS's that might fit your interests.

    Since you have a college degree, you have more options. You can go enlisted or officer. Actually, I'm not 100% sure on that. For some branches, you may actually have to enlist first and then apply for OTS/OCS.

    It's really hard to suggest a particular branch. Each have different missions and have different job offerings and different lifestyles and different duty stations. I don't think you should rule out talking to recruiters. The recruiters on college campuses are much different than the ones on high school campuses. They're more straight up with you and won't give you the high pressure sales pitch.

    What's th Eurozone?
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    Feb 14, 2009 7:29 AM GMT
    doh! my apologies!

    honestly. i usually only look at the threads listed on the front page and i've been "offline" from social sites pretty much all of the past couple months.

    what i wrote in the other thread applies equally here.

    you've asked a couple questions. out and proud isn't going to fly unless your form of flying is likely to include red fluids and dark alleys. the military, even the elitest usaf guys, are made up of a lot of guys that come from the south and they have limited options for relieving stressors. your out and proud would light up a target on you just like a target designator.

    in my opinion, the safest branch is the usaf because they normally are not on the front line of warfare, and, they send the officers out to die instead of the enlisted.

    use caution in your opinion of recruiters. they can and will lie to you and for you. and paperwork can "conveniently be done later". if any option presented to you is important, it can wait long enough for you to thoroughly understand the qualifications and ramifications, for your initials and signature and YOUR copy of the paperwork. nothing verbal should ever be relied upon.

    i'm not an expert, but i have 8 years more experience in these matters than you ;-)

    career options? try to relate what you want to do with a military job that reflects your job wish, which can carry over to a civilian job afterwards. it won't do you much good to jump for infantry if you only intend to spend one or two terms in, because you're pretty much back at square one (and a half?) when you get out and go looking for a civvy job.
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    Feb 14, 2009 1:00 PM GMT
    If I were you, I would wait until the ban is lifted, if that happens. After the push back from the Republicans over the stimulus bill, will have to see what they do next.
    I was in the medical branch of the army. There were no problems, but than again, it was mostly officers.

    I doubt in an out and proud gay man can go back into the closet. I think you would just be inviting a whole lot of turmoil for yourself.

    If you want to work for the government in another agency, maybe that might work for you.

    I would not go in as enlisted, with your education. Get it in writing, 2 or 3 times, before you sign the final papers. As long as this war is going on, chances are that you will end up in Afghanistan no matter what they tell you.

    I would examine also, your overall feelings/reasons for wanting to join the military. The illusion of wanting to do something for your country can end pretty quickly and than you are stuck with it.

    Good luck
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    Feb 14, 2009 1:45 PM GMT
    If you're out and proud, why would you consider the military at this point? If you are serious, your safest bet would be USAF. Otherwise, I'd look into a civi. job that won't expose a jugular. There are plenty of options - some listed in this thread.
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    Feb 14, 2009 2:01 PM GMT
    Seriously consider the Navy or Air Force, the other branches are grut work.
    One poster said the "FBI" and that sounds like good advice too.
    Just do not bring your sexual life in the work place and you should be fine.

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    Feb 14, 2009 2:25 PM GMT
    I was in both the Army and Air Force. Army guys tend to fighting and generally being physical. Air Force guys tend to be less aggressive and generally more intellectual. Air Force showed me far more of the world then the Army did. The Air Force is concerned about your "quality of life" (seriously) whereas Army guys take pride in their suffering.

    You are most likely underestimating how stressful it is to be gay in the military. Forget about the threat of violence and think about all the other issues. You will be probably feel quite sad most of the time. Don't count on the repeal of DODT anytime soon. Obama hates it but as we've already seen with the stimulus it's not going to be easy for him to achieve his goals.

    There are many other ways in which to serve your country and create a better future for yourself without compromising who you are as a person.
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    Feb 14, 2009 2:33 PM GMT
    I know that DADT is not a popular subject, but as long as you maintain a professional attitude and don't bring your sexuality into the workplace you will be fine, I have managed that for a long while.

    As far as a recommendation on service or branch, it depends on what you want to do. The Air Force is much more corporate and business like than any of the services, the Navy is much more traditional. The Army and the Marines are all about doing the grunt stuff - - the Marines are more focused on ground combat, the Army focuses on that as well, but there is a much larger support structure in the Army than in the Marines, so different skills are needed in the Army.

    If you want to lead folks, think about the Army or Marines. If you want to be in the military, without having to focus in on leadership, think about the more corporate Air Force.
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    Feb 15, 2009 7:21 PM GMT
    Toddy...NO!!!! BAD TODD NO, BAD BOY!!!!

    Plus my roommate said you wouldn't make it passed basic, and you'd be fucked literally and figuratively(which you might rather enjoy).
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    Feb 15, 2009 11:51 PM GMT
    You're gonna get sent to Afghanistan and be killed either by the taliban or friendly fire. .... dude, dont.
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    Feb 15, 2009 11:57 PM GMT
    I agree with Caslon in part, but also understand that you've got to make up your own mind and do what you have to do.