Trump has signed two proclamations massively reducing the size of two public outdoor parks, which are national monuments, in Utah.

  • outdoorsmuscl...

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    Dec 05, 2017 2:24 PM GMT
    Trump has signed two proclamations massively reducing the size of two public outdoor parks, which are national monuments, in Utah.

    The orders cut down the size of Bears Ears National Monument by about 85 percent and shrink Grand Staircase-Escalante national monument to half its current size,
    which amounts to around two million acres. The monument lands that remain have been subdivided into multiple, isolated areas.

    The move, the largest rollback of protections for public lands and waters in US history, evoked strong protest from native American tribes and environmental groups.

    The Native American Rights Fund, which represents five Native American tribes, have filed a lawsuit Monday challenging the presidential order.
    Defenders of Wildlife and Friends of the Earth said they will follow suit.


    The executive action that sharply reduces the size of two national monuments is a reversal of protections put in place by Trump's Democratic predecessors.

    The Bears Ears monument, which was declared by President Barack Obama in December 2016, preserved hunting, fishing, gathering and grazing rights, and protected it from widespread looting and oil, gas and mineral development.

    Unlike a national park, which requires an act of Congress, the Antiquities Act of 1906 empowers a President to designate national monuments through public proclamation.


    This is the latest in a series of actions by the Trump Administration that affected the tribal communities in America.
    The government issued permit to the Dakota Access Pipeline, the Keystone XL pipeline, and revoked the
    Executive Order to protect the Bering Sea ignoring vigorous opposition from various Tribes.

    Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument is a unique haven for wildlife in Utah. Spanning an area the size of Delaware,
    the monument protects a variety of habitats, from deserts to coniferous forests, as well as over 200 species of birds.

    Bears Ears National Monument is of great conservation value to many aquatic, wildlife and plant species. Bears Ears is world-renowned for its prized elk population.

    Five tribes—Hopi Tribe, Navajo Nation, Pueblo of Zuni, Ute Indian Tribe, and Ute Mountain Ute Tribe—led the effort to establish the Bears Ears National Monument,
    an area still used for cultural and religious purposes.


    http://www.rttnews.com/story.aspx?Id=2841904

  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 05, 2017 3:54 PM GMT
    THANK YOU President Trump. No wonder the people of Utah who were gathered yesterday when the President spoke were chanting...

    "4 More Years!"
  • outdoorsmuscl...

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    Dec 05, 2017 4:27 PM GMT

    Patagonia, an American company which sells sustainable outdoor clothing, said the billionaire property developer’s decision to shrink the two Utah national monuments was “illegal” and was the “largest elimination of protected land in American history”.


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    http://www.businessinsider.com/patagonia-responds-to-trump-national-monument-plans-president-stole-your-land-2017-12
    CuriousJockAZ saidTHANK YOU President Trump. No wonder the people of Utah who were gathered yesterday when the President spoke were chanting...

    "4 More Years!"
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    Dec 05, 2017 5:55 PM GMT
    Plooje said
    CuriousJockAZ saidTHANK YOU President Trump. No wonder the people of Utah who were gathered yesterday when the President spoke were chanting...

    "4 More Years!"


    This is truly excellent news. The Federal government already owns far too many millions of acres of land in the country. They should divest these holdings and so that each state can determine what to do with THEIR land.
    Actually that protected land should fall under the complete ownership of the Indian nations that want it protected and cherished. It should be kept permanently off limits to big corporations and real estate developers. It should remain exactly as it is in its current prestine condition.
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    Dec 05, 2017 5:59 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidTHANK YOU President Trump. No wonder the people of Utah who were gathered yesterday when the President spoke were chanting...

    "4 More Years!"


    Are you sure it wasn't "Trail of tears!"?
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    Dec 06, 2017 1:26 PM GMT
    The battle over Trump's authority to shrink monuments may be just beginning. Native American tribes and conservation groups are mounting legal
    challenges, even as the administration turns its focus to possibly shrinking half a dozen more in other states.

    Before Trump even finished his triumphal visit to Utah Monday, the first lawsuits were being filed.

    Native Americans React To Cuts To Bears Ears National Monument

    At the center of this sage brush battle is a relatively obscure federal law called the Antiquities Act. Signed by President Teddy Roosevelt in
    1906, it was intended to stop the pilfering of ancient Indian artifacts from public land.
    But it also gave presidents the authority to create national monuments on their own, without Congress.
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    In Utah, Trump Announces Dramatic Decreases In Size To State's National Monuments

    Here in Utah, where about two-thirds of the entire state is federally owned and there are seven large monuments,
    the act is a household name, and in some rural areas, a dirty word.

    When the administration began its controversial review of 27 large monuments, including Utah's Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante, it said the act needed to be tested.

    Tribes and conservationists have been preparing lawsuits for months.

    "There is nothing in the Antiquities Act that authorizes a president to modify a national monument once it's been designated." says Ethel Branch,
    attorney general for the Navajo Nation, one of the tribes that is suing the administration.


    The tribes point to a federal lands law from the 1970s that says only Congress can actually reduce or nullify a national monument.

    Previous presidents have made small reductions to monument boundaries, but never until Monday had one used the Antiquities Act to so dramatically shrink them.

    But there's another tricky issue here.

    "It was more about control than it was about protection," says San Juan County Commission Chair Bruce Adams.
    He's ecstatic that President Trump is trying to shrink monuments across the rural West. He says these designations
    take everything off the table, like expanding cattle grazing or mining.

    The administration is also considering shrinking national monuments in states like Nevada and Oregon. If it presses forward, more legal challenges are sure to follow.

    https://www.npr.org/2017/12/05/568507002/legal-challenges-mount-after-trumps-reduction-of-national-monuments





    Plooje said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    CuriousJockAZ saidTHANK YOU President Trump. No wonder the people of Utah who were gathered yesterday when the President spoke were chanting...

    "4 More Years!"


    Are you sure it wasn't "Trail of tears!"?


    That would be Elizabeth Warren's family. Though as a BRIT who lives in the UK, I wouldn't expect you to be up on these things, despite your mentally ill obsession with posting anti-Trump topics here daily.

    REVEALED: Elizabeth Warren Ancestor Rounded Up Native Americans During ‘Horrific Trail of Tears’

    http://thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/revealed-elizabeth-warren-ancestor-rounded-native-americans-horrific-trail-tears/
  • musclmed

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    Dec 06, 2017 7:28 PM GMT
    this is to reverse land grabs from Obama and prior Presidents. These parks were not created by congress. They were created by Obama.
    He can only Undo what Obama did.

    What standing do the Indian Tribes have? no one is taking land away from them. The land is being ( un federalized). The founders never intended for whole states like Nevada to become federal property.
    Any Presidential proclamation can be undone.
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    Dec 06, 2017 7:56 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    CuriousJockAZ saidTHANK YOU President Trump. No wonder the people of Utah who were gathered yesterday when the President spoke were chanting...

    "4 More Years!"


    Are you sure it wasn't "Trail of tears!"?

    Your confusing yourselves, over the shock of Donald Trump becoming the 45th president. You've sheed nothing but tears since.
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    Dec 06, 2017 10:39 PM GMT
    musclmed saidThe founders never intended for whole states like Nevada to become federal property.


    Like Trump gives a hoot about anything the founders intended. He is motivated by narcissism, spite and jealousy.
  • outdoorsmuscl...

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    Dec 07, 2017 2:18 AM GMT
    I suggest you read the law.
    The #illegitimatepotus, lying scumbag, piece of shit did not only reduce the size of the Bears Ears National Monument, which was designated under Obama, but also Staircase-Escalante which was designated under Clinton.
    Billionaire Tom Steyer , Patagonia and Native Indians will fight to the supreme court.


    musclmed saidthis is to reverse land grabs from Obama and prior Presidents. These parks were not created by congress. They were created by Obama.
    He can only Undo what Obama did.

    What standing do the Indian Tribes have? no one is taking land away from them. The land is being ( un federalized). The founders never intended for whole states like Nevada to become federal property.
    Any Presidential proclamation can be undone.
  • topathlete

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    Dec 07, 2017 2:20 AM GMT
    outdoorsmuscleguy saidI suggest you read the law.
    The #illegitimatepotus, lying scumbag, piece of shit did not only reduce the size of the Bears Ears National Monument, which was designated under Obama, but also Staircase-Escalante which was designated under Clinton.
    Billionaire Tom Steyer , Patagonia and Native Indians will fight to the supreme court.


    musclmed saidthis is to reverse land grabs from Obama and prior Presidents. These parks were not created by congress. They were created by Obama.
    He can only Undo what Obama did.

    What standing do the Indian Tribes have? no one is taking land away from them. The land is being ( un federalized). The founders never intended for whole states like Nevada to become federal property.
    Any Presidential proclamation can be undone.

    What specific law do you suggest he read? Just having some fun because I know you can't answer that.
  • outdoorsmuscl...

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    Dec 07, 2017 2:33 AM GMT
    Antiquities Act
    The Antiquities Act of 1906, , is an act passed by the United States Congress and signed into law by Theodore Roosevelt on June 8, 1906. This law gives the President of the United States the authority to, by presidential proclamation, create national monuments from public lands to protect significant natural, cultural or scientific features.

    topathlete said
    outdoorsmuscleguy saidI suggest you read the law.
    The #illegitimatepotus, lying scumbag, piece of shit did not only reduce the size of the Bears Ears National Monument, which was designated under Obama, but also Staircase-Escalante which was designated under Clinton.
    Billionaire Tom Steyer , Patagonia and Native Indians will fight to the supreme court.


    musclmed saidthis is to reverse land grabs from Obama and prior Presidents. These parks were not created by congress. They were created by Obama.
    He can only Undo what Obama did.

    What standing do the Indian Tribes have? no one is taking land away from them. The land is being ( un federalized). The founders never intended for whole states like Nevada to become federal property.
    Any Presidential proclamation can be undone.

    What specific law do you suggest he read? Just having some fun because I know you can't answer that.
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    Dec 07, 2017 3:17 AM GMT
    So why was it OK for Obama to exempt Wind Turbines operators from reporting the birds they are shredding.

    Did you know: its better to plant trees around a house than mount solar panels on the roof.
  • topathlete

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    Dec 07, 2017 3:39 AM GMT
    outdoorsmuscleguy saidAntiquities Act
    The Antiquities Act of 1906, , is an act passed by the United States Congress and signed into law by Theodore Roosevelt on June 8, 1906. This law gives the President of the United States the authority to, by presidential proclamation, create national monuments from public lands to protect significant natural, cultural or scientific features.

    topathlete said
    outdoorsmuscleguy saidI suggest you read the law.
    The #illegitimatepotus, lying scumbag, piece of shit did not only reduce the size of the Bears Ears National Monument, which was designated under Obama, but also Staircase-Escalante which was designated under Clinton.
    Billionaire Tom Steyer , Patagonia and Native Indians will fight to the supreme court.


    musclmed saidthis is to reverse land grabs from Obama and prior Presidents. These parks were not created by congress. They were created by Obama.
    He can only Undo what Obama did.

    What standing do the Indian Tribes have? no one is taking land away from them. The land is being ( un federalized). The founders never intended for whole states like Nevada to become federal property.
    Any Presidential proclamation can be undone.

    What specific law do you suggest he read? Just having some fun because I know you can't answer that.

    But a subsequent President can reduce or eliminate the proclamation of a previous President.
  • outdoorsmuscl...

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    Dec 07, 2017 12:03 PM GMT
    That is what the #illegitimatepotus, lying piece of shit, environmental rapist would want you to believe.
    Environmental groups and others gearing up for a fight note that no president has tried to downsize a monument since the 1976 Federal Land Policy and Management Act, which they say restricts a president’s ability to do so. The groups also contend past presidents never faced court challenges for shrinking monuments.
    “Whatever this administration does will certainly not go unchallenged,” said Kristen Boyles, an attorney with the environmental group Earthjustice.

    The 1906 Antiquities Act that gives presidents the power to declare monuments
    does not explicitly say whether a president can nullify a monument proclamation or shrink its boundaries.
    The courts will decide.

    While there is no judicial decision on the issue, several opinions by attorneys general and solicitors “strongly suggest the president doesn’t have this authority to rescind” a national monument designation, says Robert Keiter, a law professor at the University of Utah and director of the Wallace Stegner Center for Land, Resources, and the Environment. “Most legal scholars that have looked at it have concluded the same.”
    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/utah-lawsuits-test-presidents-power-shrink-monuments
    topathlete said
    outdoorsmuscleguy saidAntiquities Act
    The Antiquities Act of 1906, , is an act passed by the United States Congress and signed into law by Theodore Roosevelt on June 8, 1906. This law gives the President of the United States the authority to, by presidential proclamation, create national monuments from public lands to protect significant natural, cultural or scientific features.

    topathlete said
    outdoorsmuscleguy saidI suggest you read the law.
    The #illegitimatepotus, lying scumbag, piece of shit did not only reduce the size of the Bears Ears National Monument, which was designated under Obama, but also Staircase-Escalante which was designated under Clinton.
    Billionaire Tom Steyer , Patagonia and Native Indians will fight to the supreme court.


    musclmed saidthis is to reverse land grabs from Obama and prior Presidents. These parks were not created by congress. They were created by Obama.
    He can only Undo what Obama did.

    What standing do the Indian Tribes have? no one is taking land away from them. The land is being ( un federalized). The founders never intended for whole states like Nevada to become federal property.
    Any Presidential proclamation can be undone.

    What specific law do you suggest he read? Just having some fun because I know you can't answer that.

    But a subsequent President can reduce or eliminate the proclamation of a previous President.