What's the deal with drag queens?

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    Feb 18, 2018 8:06 PM GMT
    Why do gay guys like em so much? Not interested in platitudes about how people like different things - but I just want to hear from the guys who find them "gorgeous" "stunning" etc, because I want to understand. Beautiful like a beautiful woman is, or beautiful like an abstract art? Feel free to correct my assumptions - I figure the exaggerated makeup and fierce persona are a rebellion or defense mechanism against a cruel world or something like that, and their admirers share a kind of kinship to that sense of persecution, hence the kid gloves and flattery typical on every aspiring drag queen's social media. Are there drag queens that aren't "fierce"? Why do they all conform to the same formula? Enlighten me lol
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    Feb 18, 2018 8:20 PM GMT
    I see drag as basically a form of performance art. So like any art form only a few are able to create masterpieces. RuPaul, for example, executes drag to a very high level ... the attitude is confident but not imperious or bitchy, and the choices of clothing and make-up are really well thought-out and executed well. I also think the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are awesome in their really unique looks and, again, high-level of execution, combined with an interesting and challenging message. But I agree that drag queens are way too common and most are uninteresting stereotypes that are better ignored. I think they are so ubiquitous because gay-male culture, in case you haven't noticed, is extremely conformist and narrow and most gay guys just go along with the program and hoot and holler at any old drag queen they see because that's what they think they're supposed to do.
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    Feb 19, 2018 12:32 AM GMT
    chappy22 saidWhy do gay guys like em so much? Not interested in platitudes about how people like different things - but I just want to hear from the guys who find them "gorgeous" "stunning" etc, because I want to understand. Beautiful like a beautiful woman is, or beautiful like an abstract art? Feel free to correct my assumptions - I figure the exaggerated makeup and fierce persona are a rebellion or defense mechanism against a cruel world or something like that, and their admirers share a kind of kinship to that sense of persecution, hence the kid gloves and flattery typical on every aspiring drag queen's social media. Are there drag queens that aren't "fierce"? Why do they all conform to the same formula? Enlighten me lol


    I partially agree with your comments when you said the exaggerated makeup and fierce persona can be a rebellion or defense mechanism against a cruel world. I really think you were very happy in your thoughts. For me, a Drag Queen is the opportunity to play with sexual images, to be excessively feminine but without being judged. Unhappily, there are some effeminate gay men who receive a very inelegant treatment by masculine gay men and/or bisexual men. So, the Drag Queen is a card to totally explore the femininity in a ludic way because, the most exaggerated, the better. The Drag Queen is, nowadays, a symbol of joy and, sometimes, power or, at least, contacts. When a party has a Drag Queen, everybody quickly thinks: "- Oh, there is a Drag Queen here! This party will be funny!".

    Some are visual artists, like RuPaul. Some have an agenda, like Sisters of the Perpetual Indulgence - that I don´t know much about to talk about -. Maybe the triumph is the Drag Queens don´t take life so seriously or try to put more good mood or tolerance in our lives.
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    Feb 19, 2018 1:23 AM GMT
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    chappy22 saidWhy do gay guys like em so much? Not interested in platitudes about how people like different things - but I just want to hear from the guys who find them "gorgeous" "stunning" etc, because I want to understand. Beautiful like a beautiful woman is, or beautiful like an abstract art? Feel free to correct my assumptions - I figure the exaggerated makeup and fierce persona are a rebellion or defense mechanism against a cruel world or something like that, and their admirers share a kind of kinship to that sense of persecution, hence the kid gloves and flattery typical on every aspiring drag queen's social media. Are there drag queens that aren't "fierce"? Why do they all conform to the same formula? Enlighten me lol


    Only the leftist lemmings in the "gay community" like (or say they like) drag queens.

    Personally, I think it is very harmful as it puts forth a stereotype about what being gay is.

    If you're really gay, and not a troll, you might understand.
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    Feb 19, 2018 2:19 AM GMT
    Some queens do comic drag. Often the ones who are overweight. And can't make themselves look glamorous or beautiful in the conventional sense. So they create a deliberately funny personna. I did that myself.

    I did the lighting for drag shows for about 7 years. I especially liked running the follow spotlight myself. Kind of an art, since the queens rarely rehearsed, so you had no idea what they would do or where they would move on the stage. It was a matter of listening to the music & lyrics, and anticipating how they would respond to them.

    But it taught me a lot about drag queens. So that I even tried it a little performing myself. Just doing 'Novelty Drag', since I wasn't going to make a full commitment to it, not having the looks, just have some fun.

    What I find curious is why so many of them are very tall. And then wear high heels much higher than you'd ever see women wear. They end up looking like basketball players in gowns. With overdone costumes and heavy makeup I have to assume it's meant to be some kind of exaggerated parody of a woman.

    Why that is I don't know, despite having worked on their shows for years and personally known many of them. But if a drag queen doesn't look outrageous, but rather like an ordinary woman would, she's classified as a female impersonator, not a drag queen. And some shows will not book her. So it's also kind of a professional convention, or even a cultural thing, I dunno.
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    Feb 19, 2018 2:31 AM GMT
    The looney is gay now!

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    Feb 19, 2018 2:36 AM GMT
    2bnaked saidThe looney is gay now!

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    I'm so sorry you always find fault with this gay site, and with gay men. Perhaps you would be more comfortable on a straight site?
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    Feb 19, 2018 2:43 AM GMT
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    2bnaked saidThe looney is gay now!

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    I'm so sorry you always find fault with this gay site, and with gay men. Perhaps you would be more comfortable on a straight site?


    Shut up you bitter old queen. I've NEVER found fault with this site EVER! You find plenty with people and are quick to bully and condemn them once you've had a few to many. I found the funny money....ODD, that's all. So go fuck yourself you creepy old RUSSIAN TROLL>
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    Feb 19, 2018 3:00 AM GMT
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    Shut up you bitter old queen. I've NEVER found fault with this site EVER! You find plenty with people and are quick to bully and condemn them once you've had a few to many. I found the funny money....ODD, that's all. So go fuck yourself you creepy old RUSSIAN TROLL>

    Nice try at turning the tables. Except I've met a couple dozen RJ members in person right here in Florida. And spoke with others on the phone (who remembers our dear meninlove?). Even golfed with them, had dinners and drinks, one stayed here overnight. Kinda difficult to arrange that if I work in a Russian troll factory.

    But curious how I'm usually criticized by RJ trolls for being a Liberal Democrat (which I am), and now you claim I'm a Russian troll, the exact opposite. I think your own credibility just went down the toilet.
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    Feb 19, 2018 3:10 AM GMT
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    2bnaked said
    Shut up you bitter old queen. I've NEVER found fault with this site EVER! You find plenty with people and are quick to bully and condemn them once you've had a few to many. I found the funny money....ODD, that's all. So go fuck yourself you creepy old RUSSIAN TROLL>

    Nice try at turning the tables. Except I've met a couple dozen RJ members in person right here in Florida. And spoke with others on the phone (who remembers are dear meninlove?). Even golfed with them, had dinners and drinks, one stayed here overnight. Kinda difficult to arrange that if I work in a Russian troll factory.

    But curious how I'm usually criticized by actual trolls for being a Liberal Democrat (which I am), and now you claim I'm a Russian troll. I think your own credibility just went down the toilet.


    No Deco, I have been here a long time and I have also had nice real time conversations with meninlove. They, unlike YOU are genuinely nice and kind hearted. You have proven time and time again to be mean spirited and a big BULLY who only wants things his way (especially when it comes to politics). I know liberal politics and even though meninlove are real liberal Canadians they can take a jab on the looney, you however, can not. Your overly serious and a big nasty asshole. I hate to call you out, but I will because you have never been nice to me (and many others) in all the years I have been here. So calling you a TROLL is well deserved, russian or not!

    BTW,,,,,,You started this and I will end it....
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    Feb 19, 2018 12:28 PM GMT
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    "When a straight man puts on a dress and gets his sexual kicks, he is a transvestite.
    When a man is a woman trapped in a man's body and has a little operation he is a Transsexual.
    When a gay man has way too much fashion sense for one gender he is a drag queen."
    -Noxeema Jackson

    (And yes, I know the GIF is Vida and not Noxy... but I just LOVE that GIF. icon_lol.gif )
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    Feb 19, 2018 3:29 PM GMT
    I despise drag queens!
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    Feb 19, 2018 4:21 PM GMT
    chappy22 saidWhy do gay guys like em so much? Not interested in platitudes about how people like different things - but I just want to hear from the guys who find them "gorgeous" "stunning" etc, because I want to understand. Beautiful like a beautiful woman is, or beautiful like an abstract art? Feel free to correct my assumptions - I figure the exaggerated makeup and fierce persona are a rebellion or defense mechanism against a cruel world or something like that, and their admirers share a kind of kinship to that sense of persecution, hence the kid gloves and flattery typical on every aspiring drag queen's social media. Are there drag queens that aren't "fierce"? Why do they all conform to the same formula? Enlighten me lol


    I'm not a big fan of drag queens, but at the right time, being entertained requires drag queens, be it Shakespeare in the Park, a mixed dance club from the 1980s when the draq queens came on to the floor after midnight and we witnessed lowered inhibitions beyond what the alcohol and cologne had done, be it a fashion show, or a gay movement

    Drag queens TEACH!

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    Feb 19, 2018 7:58 PM GMT
    What would gay world be without drag queens? What would nightlife be without drag queens?
    Right, very dull and boring world I'd say. I rather go to a fancy club than some smokey leather cave.
    So, long live the divas! We need you to spice up the world icon_idea.gif

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    Feb 19, 2018 8:11 PM GMT
    Plooje saidWell, that bi-sexual bully Art Deco appears to have beaten a hasty retreat.


    He needed a good take down! LOL He needs to learn his real place here. He's not the leather daddy he thinks he is......LOL


    BTW.

    Going Drag is a form of self expression in the gay community. Maybe it's an alternate form of identity or main identity. There are Leather types, Cowboy Types, Jock types etc (All forms of drag). All these subcultures are a part of the gay culture. It's been that way for a long time. This is what "our culture" really is. Self Expression without repercussion!
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    Feb 19, 2018 8:34 PM GMT
    2bnaked said
    Plooje said
    Well, that bi-sexual bully Art Deco appears to have beaten a hasty retreat.


    He needed a good take down! LOL He needs to learn his real place here. He's not the leather daddy he thinks he is......LOL

    Leather daddy??? Where the Hell did THAT misconception come from?

    You really are getting desperate. Accusing me of things I never was, nor would be. Leather daddy??? What other new inventions will you trolls post about me here? Leather daddy??? What a whopper!

    But a nice troll factory tactic. You confirm my assumptions. Thanks! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Feb 19, 2018 8:36 PM GMT
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    2bnaked said
    Plooje said
    Well, that bi-sexual bully Art Deco appears to have beaten a hasty retreat.


    He needed a good take down! LOL He needs to learn his real place here. He's not the leather daddy he thinks he is......LOL

    Leather daddy??? Where the Hell did THAT misconception come from?

    You really are getting desperate. Accusing me of things I never was, nor would be. Leather daddy???

    But a nice troll factory tactic. You confirm my assumptions. Thanks! icon_biggrin.gif


    I think you'd make a good bitter leather daddy. This way you can convert your "DEN" into what I am sure you really need it for.
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    Feb 19, 2018 8:43 PM GMT
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    I think you'd make a good bitter leather daddy. This way you can convert your "DEN" into what I am sure you really need it for.

    Oh, so now it's you THINK? Well there's a damning indictment. After you just claimed I WAS a leather daddy. With no evidence whatsoever. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I love how stupid trolls get tangled in their own lying words. Just keep digging your hole deeper.
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    Feb 19, 2018 8:49 PM GMT
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    2bnaked said
    I think you'd make a good bitter leather daddy. This way you can convert your "DEN" into what I am sure you really need it for.

    Oh, so now it's you THINK? Well there's a damning indictment. After you just claimed I WAS a leather daddy. With no evidence whatsoever. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I love how stupid trolls get tangled in their own lying words. Just keep digging your hole deeper.


    No, I called you out asshole that's all. You've trolled this site ever since you got here will all your bullshit and ridiculously stupid topics. You're the one who scared off all the Hot Real Jocks. You and a few others should start a Real OLD Fart club. So again, go fuck your yourself.
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    Feb 19, 2018 9:00 PM GMT
    2bnaked said
    art_deco said
    2bnaked said
    I think you'd make a good bitter leather daddy. This way you can convert your "DEN" into what I am sure you really need it for.

    Oh, so now it's you THINK? Well there's a damning indictment. After you just claimed I WAS a leather daddy. With no evidence whatsoever. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I love how stupid trolls get tangled in their own lying words. Just keep digging your hole deeper.


    No, I called you out asshole that's all. You've trolled this site ever since you got here will all your bullshit and ridiculously stupid topics. You're the one who scared off all the Hot Real Jocks. You and a few others should start a Real OLD Fart club. So again, go fuck your yourself.
    That a good man, you keep putting Fart Deco back into his place or is it more accurately his safe space. Show that decrepit dust mite who is boss around here goddammit!
  • Element1313

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    Feb 19, 2018 9:51 PM GMT
    The the big split in the field of gays are those that define themselves as female and gays that identify as male. Both are sexually attracted to men. I call
    the males into masc men homos. I think the argumentment that gays are born that way is blown out of the water by drag since dressing up like 1960’s female movies stars can’t be genetic. It’s got to be a learned behavior. I don’t know why women or a gay man would want to dress up, and wear make up etc.. but there is a tradition of clowns and jockers that goes way back. If you are attracted to a guy dressed up as a woman does not that make you heterosexual?
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    Feb 19, 2018 10:07 PM GMT
    chappy22 saidWhy do gay guys like em so much? Not interested in platitudes about how people like different things - but I just want to hear from the guys who find them "gorgeous" "stunning" etc, because I want to understand. Beautiful like a beautiful woman is, or beautiful like an abstract art? Feel free to correct my assumptions - I figure the exaggerated makeup and fierce persona are a rebellion or defense mechanism against a cruel world or something like that, and their admirers share a kind of kinship to that sense of persecution, hence the kid gloves and flattery typical on every aspiring drag queen's social media. Are there drag queens that aren't "fierce"? Why do they all conform to the same formula? Enlighten me lol


    It's off night entertainment. If you don't like them try karaoke.
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    Feb 19, 2018 10:31 PM GMT
    Heterosexual Liberals like drag queens because it stereotypes gays as feminine. Heterosexual Liberals like gays to be clearly identifiable so that gays don't know what Liberals say about them behind their backs.

    More frequently than not, it seems feminine gays are enthralled by drag queens. Many feminine gays use the femininity to seek attention.

    LIBERALS: being a gay man does NOT require a man to be feminine. Your stereotyping makes gays hate crime targets. Its ashame that more gays don't carry guns or tazers so they can fight back against homophobic attackers. Texas and Manhattan would be safer places for gays if a few homophobes got shot in the head or tazed.

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    Feb 19, 2018 11:01 PM GMT
    Dressing in drag is funny. It's an act and many comedians over the years have done it.
    Dudes, on my high school football team would dress up as cheerleaders for the basketball team. This was a
    special event to raise money. It can be funny and entertaining!

    Ask the really funny Bob Hope and Milton Burrell
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