Is there any actual evidence that regular douching is unhealthy?

  • closetfella

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    Jun 27, 2018 10:18 PM GMT
    After months and months of messy trial and error (mostly error) I've determined that it is in fact physically impossible for me to get "clean" without douching 3-4 times over the course of 30 minutes or so.

    I often read that regular douching may irritate or even wash away the lining of the rectum and/or colon, but have yet to find any claims of the non-"may" variety, let alone any evidence. Are these claims just precautionary and/or speculative?

    Does anybody know one way or the other if daily douching is harmful/irritating/dangerous?

    Thanks
  • MikeHunt26

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    Jun 28, 2018 4:10 AM GMT
    Honey i hope its not unhealthy because if so im a walking dead man
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    Jun 28, 2018 2:24 PM GMT
    Hey guys,
    I suppose when scientists talk about douching in that way they mean you use detergents and sponge (pretty hard)...
    So in this point using some agressive detergents may definitely cause micro damage to your skin. Moreover, at some water supply stations different types of chemicals may be used as preservatives (or so) - like chlorine or fluor...
    So taking bath/shower very often may theoreticaly (I consider even very likely) dry your skin thus decreasing its protective functions and appearence.
    I take shower twice a day with extra mild and natural soap. Once a week I use sponge and scrub (usually while in my private russian sauna - so when my skin is better prepared for scrubbing).
    I think so. Maybe I`m wrong but my ideas look logical.
    By the way, do you know that is the biggest organ of your body?
    Yeah, it`s SKIN! No bullshit.
  • bro4bro

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    Jun 28, 2018 8:25 PM GMT
    ^ OK, let's talk about linguistics a little.
    In French, "douche" means "shower".
    In English, and specific to this context, "douche" means squirting water up your ass to clean your rectum in preparation for anal sex.

    I'm not aware of any evidence that it's bad for you, if you're using nothing but water. You should not be using any cleaning agents.
    And yes you're likely to need 3-4 shots of water before you're clean.
    You don't want to use more water than is needed to clean the rectum (i.e. you don't want to flush out your whole colon).
    And you don't want to do it "excessively", whatever that means (every day, multiple times a day would probably be too much).

    I'm sure you've already looked at various sources online, most of which don't provide much in the way of medical references. Here's one that seems to contain a good deal of info.
    https://www.theauthenticgay.com/the-dangers-of-excessive-douching/

    And here's the opinion of a doctor at the San Francisco City Clinic, where you'd expect they'd see every imaginable problem related to anal douching. The doctor is opposed to douching but admits there have been no studies to determine how safe it is.
    http://www.sfcityclinic.org/drk/misc3.asp
  • bro4bro

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    Jun 28, 2018 11:59 PM GMT
    Now, here's a few of my own common sense observations.

    In both of the resources I referenced, the potential dangers of anal douching all seem to be phrased as "This could happen...", without citing any actual case histories. I don't expect them to name names, but the way they present it sounds very theoretical, as if they've never actually seen these things happen to anyone.

    The concern about depleting your beneficial intestinal bacteria and the vitamins they produce seems groundless. You're talking about a few inches of rectum, versus five feet of colon. How could washing the beneficial bacteria out of your rectum possibly make a difference in the overall picture?

    The concern about affecting the electrolyte balance of your body is similarly suspect, unless you're douching with a fire hose.

    The concern about flushing the mucus out of your rectum sounds legitimate. Use plenty of lube. I mean lots. And yes, reducing the mucus level may result in a higher probability of contracting an STD, so make sure your partner uses a condom.
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    Jun 29, 2018 11:32 AM GMT
    OOOPSSS! icon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gif
    Hahaha! I didn`t thought you`re talkind about douche in the way you understand it... icon_redface.gif
    Sorry, guys! icon_rolleyes.gif
  • closetfella

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    Jun 29, 2018 4:50 PM GMT
    bro4bro said^ OK, let's talk about linguistics a little.
    In French, "douche" means "shower".
    In English, and specific to this context, "douche" means squirting water up your ass to clean your rectum in preparation for anal sex.

    I'm not aware of any evidence that it's bad for you, if you're using nothing but water. You should not be using any cleaning agents.
    And yes you're likely to need 3-4 shots of water before you're clean.
    You don't want to use more water than is needed to clean the rectum (i.e. you don't want to flush out your whole colon).
    And you don't want to do it "excessively", whatever that means (every day, multiple times a day would probably be too much).

    I'm sure you've already looked at various sources online, most of which don't provide much in the way of medical references. Here's one that seems to contain a good deal of info.
    https://www.theauthenticgay.com/the-dangers-of-excessive-douching/

    And here's the opinion of a doctor at the San Francisco City Clinic, where you'd expect they'd see every imaginable problem related to anal douching. The doctor is opposed to douching but admits there have been no studies to determine how safe it is.
    http://www.sfcityclinic.org/drk/misc3.asp


    Yeah I get a funny feeling it's mostly just precautionary speculation. Thanks for the links, I'll take a gander. That second one looks especially interesting. If anybody has seen the effects of excessive douching, it should be doctor in the belly of the gay beast.

    Also, as you mentioned, proper douching is only supposed to clean out the rectum, but the rectum isn't very long. The average rectum is only 5-ish inches. How in god's name are people getting clean enough to take 8" or 10" or dare I say 12" inch objects up their bums? I mean hell, even an average penis is longer than the average rectum. This doesn't make sense to me.
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    Jun 30, 2018 3:01 PM GMT
    Perhaps another factor is for which gender some of these guidelines are created. Female douching is not the same as anal douching. Females often use solutions intended to deal with vaginal yeast infections.

    The goal for gay men is principally to flush out fecal matter. And rectal tissue is not the same as vaginal tissue. There are specific solutions for anal, including some you can make with home ingredients. Search online.

    At the same time, I once stayed overnight with a guy where we were both members of a state-wide club that was meeting. After a 250-mile summer motorcycle trip I wanted a shower before bed.

    In his shower I found this strange hosed device, attached to the shower head. It ended in a thin 6-inch wand with multiple holes for the water. I naively wondered what it was for. Finally it dawned on me - DUH! A water douche! Making me suspect my host was a power bottom. Anyone who douched with that thing was just using tap water, no solutions at all.

    Needless to say I wrangled to get into bed with him, rather than use his guest bedroom. And no real surprise, he turned out to be the best bottom I've ever had in my life. He seemed well-acclimated to douching with shower water alone. To paraphrase: "By their toys ye shall know them."
  • closetfella

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    Jun 30, 2018 5:24 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidPerhaps another factor is for which gender some of these guidelines are created. Female douching is not the same as anal douching. Females often use solutions intended to deal with vaginal yeast infections.

    The goal for gay men is principally to flush out fecal matter. And rectal tissue is not the same as vaginal tissue. There are specific solutions for anal, including some you can make with home ingredients. Search online.

    At the same time, I once stayed overnight with a guy where we were both members of a state-wide club that was meeting. After a 250-mile summer motorcycle trip I wanted a shower before bed.

    In his shower I found this strange hosed device, attached to the shower head. It ended in a thin 6-inch wand with multiple holes for the water. I naively wondered what it was for. Finally it dawned on me - DUH! A water douche! Making me suspect my host was a power bottom. Anyone who douched with that thing was just using tap water, no solutions at all.

    Needless to say I wrangled to get into bed with him, rather than use his guest bedroom. And no real surprise, he turned out to be the best bottom I've ever had in my life. He seemed well-acclimated to douching with shower water alone. To paraphrase: "By their toys ye shall know them."


    I'm 100% convinced you're making these stories up. I'm also 100% convinced you don't even read the original post before commenting on a thread.
  • bro4bro

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    Jun 30, 2018 6:31 PM GMT
    closetfella said
    Also, as you mentioned, proper douching is only supposed to clean out the rectum, but the rectum isn't very long. The average rectum is only 5-ish inches. How in god's name are people getting clean enough to take 8" or 10" or dare I say 12" inch objects up their bums? I mean hell, even an average penis is longer than the average rectum. This doesn't make sense to me.


    I presume it's because the rectum is relatively narrow; the colon is much wider. If your whole colon is packed full of feces, you're - pardon the expression - in a world of shit, and likely to need a good sit-down session much more than an anal douche.
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    Jul 02, 2018 1:37 PM GMT
    closetfella said
    I'm 100% convinced you're making these stories up. I'm all 100% convinced you don't even read the original post before commenting on a thread.

    As I'm 100% convinced you're a troll. Sorry your own closeted life is evidently so barren and uneventful (yet admittedly still quite young). But as a late-bloomer I didn't come out of denial until a few months after I retired. At which time I had the time, and enough money, to attempt to make up for my "lost years".

    I made a deliberate 10-year plan to try to catch-up with all the gay things I had missed up to that point in my life. I chose 10 years because I quickly learned how youth-oriented the gay world is. I guessed, based on my parents' lives, that I had until roughly 56 before my looks totally failed me. But at 46 everyone thought I was at least 10 years younger, so I was gonna take advantage of both those factors.

    And that's what happened. I crammed more adventures (and misadventures & mishaps) into a single decade than I had done in the previous 30. Well, gay ones, because the Army had already given me a whole different range of straight adventures & experiences, enough for several people.

    And was one of the reasons I unexpectedly stayed so long with it. Always a new challenge, and new things to learn & do. As a kid one of my fears was an adult life of endless boredom with repetitive, mind-numbing jobs and tasks, locked into 1 career field all my life. Becoming dreary & fossilized with that life, as I saw so many adults become. And I did manage to avoid that fate, finding the Army let me sample dozens of career fields over 25 years. Plus a total life of 70 years next birthday also allows for a lot of experiences.

    So yes, my stories are true first-person accounts. It's the result of the way I planned, and have lived my life. At your young age it's not too late for you to do the same, if you wish and it would suit you.

    And BTW, I always read the threads, and even research them and any links, before commenting. As far as I can tell I had addressed yours just fine, even if it wasn't what you wanted to hear.
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    Jul 02, 2018 2:08 PM GMT
    bro4bro said
    I presume it's because the rectum is relatively narrow; the colon is much wider. If your whole colon is packed full of feces, you're - pardon the expression - in a world of shit, and likely to need a good sit-down session much more than an anal douche.

    I often consider the daily "rhythm" of bowel activity when doing anal as a bottom. Some people, myself included, tend to be pretty "regular", with one movement per day, most commonly in the morning. Digesting material continues to travel down the intestines all day long. Collecting in the colon and then a final movement into the rectum, when we most feel the urge to defecate.

    Therefore for me receptive anal is best in the later afternoon and early evening. And I'll avoid a large supper if I anticipate having sex, not least because of also possibly causing gas. The closer to morning it becomes the less eager I am to do anal. But that's just my personal routine. Your own mileage may vary. LOL!
  • closetfella

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    Jul 02, 2018 9:25 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    closetfella said
    I'm 100% convinced you're making these stories up. I'm all 100% convinced you don't even read the original post before commenting on a thread.

    As I'm 100% convinced you're a troll. Sorry your own closeted life is evidently so barren and uneventful (yet admittedly still quite young). But as a late-bloomer I didn't come out of denial until a few months after I retired. At which time I had the time, and enough money, to attempt to make up for my "lost years".

    I made a deliberate 10-year plan to try to catch-up with all the gay things I had missed up to that point in my life. I chose 10 years because I quickly learned how youth-oriented the gay world is. I guessed, based on my parents' lives, that I had until roughly 56 before my looks totally failed me. But at 46 everyone thought I was at least 10 years younger, so I was gonna take advantage of both those factors.

    And that's what happened. I crammed more adventures (and misadventures & mishaps) into a single decade than I had done in the previous 30. Well, gay ones, because the Army had already given me a whole different range of straight adventures & experiences, enough for several people.

    And was one of the reasons I unexpectedly stayed so long with it. Always a new challenge, and new things to learn & do. As a kid one of my fears was an adult life of endless boredom with repetitive, mind-numbing jobs and tasks, locked into 1 career field all my life. Becoming dreary & fossilized with that life, as I saw so many adults become. And I did manage to avoid that fate, finding the Army let me sample dozens of career fields over 25 years. Plus a total life of 70 years next birthday also allows for a lot of experiences.

    So yes, my stories are true first-person accounts. It's the result of the way I planned, and have lived my life. At your young age it's not too late for you to do the same, if you wish and it would suit you.

    And BTW, I always read the threads, and even research them and any links, before commenting. As far as I can tell I had addressed yours just fine, even if it wasn't what you wanted to hear.


    Do you know what thread you're on right now? That's serious question.

    This is a thread about evidence for or against douching being harmful. And you're posting your autobiography.
  • meatmaster

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    Aug 28, 2019 4:03 PM GMT
    Old topic, but I found this blog on safe anal douching https://adamstoybox.com/blogs/sex-toys/10-tips-for-safe-anal-douching, if you are going to go that route
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    Aug 28, 2019 10:46 PM GMT
    If you douche regularly, it's best to take a potassium/magnesium/calcium supplement before bed each night.
  • closetfella

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    Nov 02, 2019 3:21 PM GMT
    meatmaster saidOld topic, but I found this blog on safe anal douching https://adamstoybox.com/blogs/sex-toys/10-tips-for-safe-anal-douching, if you are going to go that route


    Thanks for the link. Looks like it's more just some tips and recommendations though. I'm trying to figure out if there is any cold, hard evidence that douching with water (and/or saline) is actually harmful in any way.

    The guy in the article says some generic things like "the lining of your colon is very sensitive" but that doesn't really answer the question.

    Thanks for the article though. There was some good info for sure.
  • closetfella

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    Nov 02, 2019 3:21 PM GMT
    Radd saidIf you douche regularly, it's best to take a potassium/magnesium/calcium supplement before bed each night.


    Why is that?
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    Nov 02, 2019 5:02 PM GMT
    Cleaning out the exhaust port is only part of the process... you need to be aware of what you're putting in your food hole.

    A healthy diet is crucial to having "healthy" output. Good balances of proteins fats and fibers are necessary to making sure your waste tract isn't impacted and full of stuff that the body can't expel on its own. Chances are you've got the healthy lifestyle part handled if you're focused on keeping yourself fit and sexy, but still needs to be said.

    All that said, we do have the aforementioned 'silver bullet' shower attachment, and use it with regularity, but not necessarily daily. took a few times to learn our limits... there's a line (and a muscle) between a "douching" and a "High colonic". Try not to cross that line.

    And remember... if you play in the garden, you're likely to get dirty. Accept that fact that sometimes "shit happens"...icon_lol.gif
  • closetfella

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    Nov 02, 2019 6:51 PM GMT
    JonSpringon saidCleaning out the exhaust port is only part of the process... you need to be aware of what you're putting in your food hole.

    A healthy diet is crucial to having "healthy" output. Good balances of proteins fats and fibers are necessary to making sure your waste tract isn't impacted and full of stuff that the body can't expel on its own. Chances are you've got the healthy lifestyle part handled if you're focused on keeping yourself fit and sexy, but still needs to be said.

    All that said, we do have the aforementioned 'silver bullet' shower attachment, and use it with regularity, but not necessarily daily. took a few times to learn our limits... there's a line (and a muscle) between a "douching" and a "High colonic". Try not to cross that line.

    And remember... if you play in the garden, you're likely to get dirty. Accept that fact that sometimes "shit happens"...icon_lol.gif


    Yeah my diet is on point. I eat a shit-ton of produce, lots of water, etc.

    I honestly can't tell where the line between douching and a colonic is for me. But I do know, after years of trial and error, that the only way I can get clean (let alone confidently clean) is to rinse with about 4 bulbs' worth of water, 4 or 5 times over the course of a couple hours. (And yes, this is always after my morning "exhaust" ritual.) Not sure what the volume of the average rectum is, but I assume this means I'm doing a colonic?

    If I try to get away with just 1 bulb's worth, and just a rinse or two, it always, 100% of the time, ends very very messily. Emphasis on the very.

    I understand the adage "shit happens" but for me it's "shit always happens" unless I do a serious rinse.
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    Nov 09, 2019 11:23 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said..........In his shower I found this strange hosed device, attached to the shower head. It ended in a thin 6-inch wand with multiple holes for the water. I naively wondered what it was for. Finally it dawned on me - DUH! A water douche! Making me suspect my host was a power bottom. Anyone who douched with that thing was just using tap water, no solutions at all.

    Needless to say I wrangled to get into bed with him, rather than use his guest bedroom. And no real surprise, he turned out to be the best bottom I've ever had in my life. He seemed well-acclimated to douching with shower water alone. To paraphrase: "By their toys ye shall know them."


    Please pardon me for going slightly off topic, but man YOU were in a great place at a great time
    seeing such a great hint (the hosed device) about what turned out to be a great night with a great guy!
    I wish I were that keen and lucky whenever I was in limbo trying to guess if a guy whom I admire is "playful".

    And now, Back on topic... I've been douching "regularly" (at least 2x per week) for the past 30 years, just taking 2 or 3
    gentle squirts of water up my ass while showering.
    During the 30 year span I've been a lot less sexually active, by choice; but even so, I haven't experienced
    any health problems from douching.

    Fast forward to the summer of 2013, I met an older top guy thru A4A and I've been his regular bareback bottom since then.
    I visit him once every couple years or so, and we're fine with that arrangement. Whenever I visit him I take a few days prior
    to prepare myself by douching no more than 4x per day while I'm in the shower.
    And on the day prior to meeting him I douche, and then I fast for 24hrs or until after I have visited him.
    For as long as he and I have known each other I prefer to give him the full on 100% access to my body as he would like to enjoy,
    and then I finish him off with a lubed handjob.
    I'm not into frequent hookups, therefore whenever I happen to meet other guys for NSA fun I prefer to just JO and frot with them.

    I don't practice anal sex by normal frequency standards, only when I want it (and I rarely want it) and I have my regular top guy for it.
    But, knock on wood, now that I'm in my mid 50s I should do more research about douching and pay careful attention to
    how I douche so that I do not encounter any health problems.
    I enjoy the clean feeling I get from douching. My body feels like a dead weight was lifted from me, and I feel stress-free after I douche.
    I douche to enjoy the benefits of cleanliness rather than just "for the fk of it". lol
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    closetfella saidAfter months and months of messy trial and error (mostly error) I've determined that it is in fact physically impossible for me to get "clean" without douching 3-4 times over the course of 30 minutes or so.

    I often read that regular douching may irritate or even wash away the lining of the rectum and/or colon, but have yet to find any claims of the non-"may" variety, let alone any evidence. Are these claims just precautionary and/or speculative?

    Does anybody know one way or the other if daily douching is harmful/irritating/dangerous?

    Thanks


    I have douched daily for decades now and have had no negative side effects. I feel this is a healthy habit akin to brushing one’s teeth after each meal.
    The rectal tissue lining is delicate and actually has fewer nerve endings than oral tissue, so keep that in mind.
    With practice, I have gotten my douche down to a quick routine, but it still requires a minimum of about 3-5 rinse outs to clear the rectum.
    Often times, years ago I would go too deep, using way too much water volume or pressure and have to get back in the shower to deal with the subsequent bowel irritation and continued movements.
    I have learned to focus on my rectal cavity only and that only takes literally a few seconds to clean out.
    I will take more time to prepare for a deep & aggressive Top mate. I will go to the lengths of a high fiber diet with mild laxative starting a couple of days in advance, followed by deep douching several hours before anal sex to ensure that the more sensitive tissue in the lower colon(above the second sphincter and rectum) have calmed down and stopped eliminating. I then do one last quick rectal only douche with hot soapy water (which usually stimulates elimination of the last bits, right before the meat up....grin. This gets me feeling deep clean, heated up, relaxed and confident, ready for a good hard, clean fucking and hot memories.
    Americans are very uptight about discussing butthole in general and Really uptight about douche talk & “how to” is rarely mentioned. A clean hole is a happy hole & the extra effort is worth it for the hot fuckings. I often get the vibe that “it’s too much work” to get clean and ready for taking dick. I feel it were described differently (not work, but privately done foreplay & pre sex preparation/stimulation) the process would/could be enjoyable for most F-buds, be they bottoms or tops.
    Happy holidays, cheers.
    Muscle Mo