What is considered "overtraining"?!

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    Sep 16, 2018 8:59 PM GMT
    I go to the gym almost every day. I train a different muscle group each time for an hour, then do a 20 mins cardio.
    Would that be considered as overtraining? icon_neutral.gif
  • bro4bro

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    Sep 17, 2018 4:56 PM GMT
    Not at all.

    Overtraining is when you don't give your body time to recover before stressing it again, so you end up tearing it down rather than building it up.

    If you worked the same muscle group every day, you'd be at risk of overtraining.
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    Sep 19, 2018 2:33 AM GMT
    For most of these pussies, overtraining is more than one hour a week.
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    Sep 19, 2018 4:07 AM GMT
    I workout daily..cardio 4 days a week..No care.
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    Sep 22, 2018 3:29 AM GMT
    kaepernick saidI go to the gym almost every day. I train a different muscle group each time for an hour, then do a 20 mins cardio.
    Would that be considered as overtraining? icon_neutral.gif


    I dunno, that routine sounds kinda perfect.
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    Oct 05, 2018 6:14 PM GMT
    Training every day COULD lead to a state of being "overtrained." Basically, it is when you stop seeing changes in your efforts to
    drop bodyfat, build muscle, etc. Signs of being in an 'overtrained' state: Being overly tired, not feeling 'rested' no matter how much you may sleep, elevated heart rate for DAYS on end, no measurable muscle growth over a 2-week period (successful programs should result in 1/4inch to 1/2inch of muscle growth every 10 to 15 days).

    As long as you are feeling well, and seeing the results you want to manifest in your body, you should be fine.
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    Mar 29, 2019 12:39 AM GMT
    This guy, quoted below, has it about right. I'll add a little color commentary

    1, its different for everybody, but the younger you are the more you can train
    2. If you do splits, for the most part you wont overtrain, since every muscle gets 48 or more hours of recovery
    3. however for us older lifters (im 5icon_cool.gif, our bodies simply have had enough after X days of truly hard training.
    4. When i say hard, i mean grueling. ...To near fatigue every set, with minimum rests, adn heavy. You ought to feel it for 24 hours at least

    Your training routine sounds great actually for each muscle group.

    For you as a whole it depends how old you are and how well you recover.

    I have an extensive blog on training over on meetfighters - same handle, less the "61"

    CurvDkBlkTop saidTraining every day COULD lead to a state of being "overtrained." Basically, it is when you stop seeing changes in your efforts to
    drop bodyfat, build muscle, etc. Signs of being in an 'overtrained' state: Being overly tired, not feeling 'rested' no matter how much you may sleep, elevated heart rate for DAYS on end, no measurable muscle growth over a 2-week period (successful programs should result in 1/4inch to 1/2inch of muscle growth every 10 to 15 days).

    As long as you are feeling well, and seeing the results you want to manifest in your body, you should be fine.
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    Mar 29, 2019 1:15 AM GMT
    No...I train on average 1.5 to 2 hours a day
  • vanquishedang...

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    Mar 29, 2019 8:51 AM GMT
    No it is good, your body will tell you. I train that much. One this I will stress though is that your body has limitations and you should respect them and be aware of them. I am/was a very slim person with little muscle, this means that what I can expect to gain will put me at about average, and that is my body.
  • jocked_and_lo...

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    Mar 31, 2019 12:06 AM GMT
    I personally think training five days a week with moderate to high intensity is ideal. More than that is too much. Training six days or everyday is overboard.

    I don't find training just one body per day to be as effective as training at least two or more body parts in one gym session. And I find that training a body part two (and sometimes three for larger muscles like chest and quads) times weekly is best for an overall stimulus for growth.

    On average, a total working set between twenty to twenty-five in one workout is ideal. My current workout program has me doing one workout a week with as many as thirty working sets. But like I said, that's only one day a week. Other days can be much less.
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    Apr 04, 2019 12:58 PM GMT
    icon_eek.gif I've never seen so many wrong information about a subject.. so many shit comments.. just a tip.. look for a BB/workout forum or someone who understands about... almost everything that i read here is wrong.. u r wasting your time
    Overtranning depends on several factors .. from your biotype and age to your food .. you will not find answers from people that do not even know you or your routine
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    Apr 08, 2019 11:11 PM GMT
    @boymuscleba: So, what's the advice that you find so shitty? It was a general question that spawned a few generalized answers (including my own).
    Considering I 've trained 7 clients successfully to their 4 and 8 month goals, I'm curious to know your criticism.
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    Apr 09, 2019 11:49 AM GMT
    CurvDkBlkTop said@boymuscleba: So, what's the advice that you find so shitty? It was a general question that spawned a few generalized answers (including my own).
    Considering I 've trained 7 clients successfully to their 4 and 8 month goals, I'm curious to know your criticism.


    icon_smile.gif they are alreally on my answer u just have to read .. like i said.. he wont find answer from ppl that dont know him nor his routine.. tips that will work on other ppl's imagination wont help him
    Considering I 've trained 7 clients successfully to their 4 and 8 month goals, I'm curious to know your criticism

    icon_smile.gif well.. all i can say is.. about my work and how well I know about the sport... is stamped in my shape..
    and i say again WLLM following thoose ppl's "tips" u will only loose..
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    Apr 10, 2019 7:04 PM GMT
    boymuscleba saidicon_eek.gif I've never seen so many wrong information about a subject.. so many shit comments.. just a tip.. look for a BB/workout forum or someone who understands about... almost everything that i read here is wrong.. u r wasting your time
    Overtranning depends on several factors .. from your biotype and age to your food .. you will not find answers from people that do not even know you or your routine


    What does biotype matter when one has access to injectable anabolics?
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    Apr 11, 2019 1:48 AM GMT
    whoreMOANal said
    boymuscleba saidicon_eek.gif I've never seen so many wrong information about a subject.. so many shit comments.. just a tip.. look for a BB/workout forum or someone who understands about... almost everything that i read here is wrong.. u r wasting your time
    Overtranning depends on several factors .. from your biotype and age to your food .. you will not find answers from people that do not even know you or your routine


    What does biotype matter when one has access to injectable anabolics?


    icon_smile.gif if anabolics really worked simple like that, this community would have a lot big guys.. and yes... even with anabolics your biotype is VERY VERY important 10471854_1572643396289146_684370723_n.jp
    cody-montgomery-back-to-mens-open-bodybu

    icon_smile.gif hope u understood.. thoose pics are very self explanatory..if not.. well.. sorry ;)
  • jocked_and_lo...

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    Apr 11, 2019 5:22 AM GMT
    The pics you provide of jacked guys are all loaded up on steroids, yourself included.

    You're not one to be telling people here are giving "shitty advice" when we don't have access to your "chemistry set."

    And I'm very happy with my build. If I wanted to look like those men I can. I just need their to take the level of drugs they're/you're taking.
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    Apr 11, 2019 8:05 AM GMT
    whoreMOANal saidThe pics you provide of jacked guys are all loaded up on steroids, yourself included.

    You're not one to be telling people here are giving "shitty advice" when we don't have access to your "chemistry set."

    And I'm very happy with my build. If I wanted to look like those men I can. I just need their to take the level of drugs they're/you're taking.


    I am with you on this one, to me they are not even attractive.
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    Apr 12, 2019 6:34 PM GMT
    whoreMOANal saidThe pics you provide of jacked guys are all loaded up on steroids, yourself included.

    You're not one to be telling people here are giving "shitty advice" when we don't have access to your "chemistry set."

    And I'm very happy with my build. If I wanted to look like those men I can. I just need their to take the level of drugs they're/you're taking.


    Like i said.. if anabols worked like that easy.. must of guys in this community would be huge.. and about my "chemistry set" its much more about know-how than just roids.. i only showed the roided guys to show u, how wrong u r... for the one who was saying biotype doesnt matter.. well.. like u said.. "shitty advice"

    icon_smile.gif nice u r happy about your build .. I never mentioned that.. nor tried open your profile.. all i said is how u wrong u r for thinking that biotype doesnt matter
  • jocked_and_lo...

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    Apr 12, 2019 9:46 PM GMT
    I never said biotype didn't matter.

    I asked a question out of sarcasm, "What does biotype matter when one has access to injectable anabolics?

    There is no natural person who trains "appropriately for his own biotype" that looks the best or the most muscular in the gym. That's all drugs.

    cody-montgomery-back-to-mens-open-bodybu

    And no, not just anyone will look like this guy if they take an average cycle of steroids. This guy above is more than likely on 1,000mg of testosterone weekly at the very least. Along with other things like tren and IGF-1 and/or growth hormone. It also cost a lot of money to take the level of drugs that guy in the photo above is taking.


    Honest and sincere question:

    Can you provide me with academic peer reviewed articles proving that training for "biotype" is the most effective approach to developing the most muscle?

    I'd like to go over them and read them.

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    Apr 12, 2019 10:33 PM GMT
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    whoreMOANal saidI never said biotype didn't matter.

    I asked a question out of sarcasm, "What does biotype matter when one has access to injectable anabolics?

    There is no natural person who trains "appropriately for his own biotype" that looks the best or the most muscular in the gym. That's all drugs.

    cody-montgomery-back-to-mens-open-bodybu

    And no, not just anyone will look like this guy if they take an average cycle of steroids. This guy above is more than likely on 1,000mg of testosterone weekly at the very least. Along with other things like tren and IGF-1 and/or growth hormone. It also cost a lot of money to take the level of drugs that guy in the photo above is taking.


    Honest and sincere question:

    Can you provide me with academic peer reviewed articles proving that training for "biotype" is the most effective approach to developing the most muscle?

    I'd like to go over them and read them.



    "There is no natural person who trains "appropriately for his own biotype" " yes, there is.. in my country its very used..
    icon_lol.gif i do trainning based on my biotyp icon_lol.gif

    About your question: its in spanish, but on abstratic page is in english:
    https://www.medigraphic.com/cgi-bin/new/resumenI.cgi?IDARTICULO=75078

    since my english isnt good, i dont know any in english,
  • jocked_and_lo...

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    Apr 14, 2019 8:15 AM GMT
    I can't find online searches with the term biotype.

    When you use that term are you referring to people who are ectomorphs, mesomorphs and endomorphs?
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    Apr 15, 2019 12:32 AM GMT
    whoreMOANal saidI can't find online searches with the term biotype.

    When you use that term are you referring to people who are ectomorphs, mesomorphs and endomorphs?


    Yes.. i tried google it in english.. but only find separate articles .. one for ecto, another for meso .. was a quick search, but at first glance, I did not find a complete for each biotype

    https://books.google.com.br/books?id=dEKOCgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=pt-PT&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false


    i found this one.. looks like it has the info.. but didnt read it.. so not sure
    https://books.google.com.br/books?id=FSfUmwEACAAJ&hl=pt-PT&source=gbs_navlinks_s
  • jocked_and_lo...

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    Apr 15, 2019 7:36 AM GMT
    In the US I think it is more commonly called somatotype. This was considered a big deal about twenty years ago when I became a personal trainer in my mid twenties. But as of late many people are claiming it as useless information. I have to agree. Lots of people are debunking it. Not sure if you can watch the video below in Spanish/Portuguese subtitles which might help you get the message more easily. But I suggest watching it. It explains the history of how the three body types came to be recognized and had nothing to do with bodybuilding and muscle growth.




    Like I said before, the images of the guys you posted are on a lot of drugs. High levels of testosterone, growth hormone, IGF-1, insulin, trenbolone just to name a few. You said if it were only a matter of taking drugs then everyone would be big. But that's not true. Most guys are only willing to take some testosterone and deca or equipoise. They get some size but the ones who stand out like the ones in your photos are on much bigger cycles, lots of GH and make more of a commitment to be in the gym and revolve their life around their bodybuilding efforts. Whereas many others can only commit a lot less due to work and familial obligations.
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    Apr 15, 2019 3:54 PM GMT
    Well... its a not a video from a guy who sells hair kits it will not prove me anything... look comments on his video... look that ppl are talking... this guy is so knowledgeable about science &fitness but he is so small.. why that? even i.. iam bigger.. .. so.. baby.. dont waste my time.. in my country, in my body, i works.. so its hard to belive the opposite i posted books as well.. nowsday an ectomorph cant be mister olympia nor an endomorph win a men's physique.. and wont be roids that will do that.. biotype defines your limit and sucess aswell... stop trying know more.. it never was about that.. icon_smile.gif

    Your country uses that a lot too..

    https://entrenadorpersonal.org/en/online-training-and-nutrition-program/

    "Totally personalized nutritional plan specially adapted for you and fully adapted according to your training plan. We consider:
    [...]
    Objectives
    Your biotype
    Your life style [...]

    diet.. trainning.. ALL must be based on your biotype.. nowsday.. there is nothing to oppose that
  • jocked_and_lo...

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    Apr 15, 2019 11:44 PM GMT
    The reason why I agree that somatotype is outdated is because there are people who can switch from all different types depending on how much body fat they have.

    The most recent science which is valid is muscle resistance training strategies that stimulate slow and fast twitch muscle fibers. This means using lower rep power days with heavier weights to stimulate the slow twitch and higher reps with moderate weight to stimulate fast twitch muscle fibers for the best overall muscle development.

    And attempting to dismiss the guy in the video that I provided based on his smaller size is not a valid approach. You should go to his channel. He has a phenomenal build. And there's nothing wrong with promoting a hair product for men that sponsored that video. God knows, so many actual bodybuilders promote bodybuilding products all the time claiming to be natural and that some protein or other supplement they're promoting was the reason for their exceptionally developed muscular build.

    This guy, Jeff Nippard is only 5'5" tall and claims to be natural. He's only 160lb but he looks better than both your or me. I'd have to say he seems to know what he's talking about.

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    So if he has more muscularity and density than you yet doesn't believe in the somatotype training where does this leave you?