Haven't we had at this point definite proof of U=U? It's safer to have sex with someone who's positive and undetectable than with someone of unknown status.
But how are you certain someone is undetectable? Because he tells you? That’s no better than believing someone who tells you they’re negative, or who has an unknown status. Which puts us back to square 1.
That's exactly the route of this issue, no one should doubt the science, but relying on the word of someone no matter what they say is playing 'Russian roulette'.
It's so obvious I can't understand why ridiculous hypothetical statements such as someone saying they are POZ Undetectable being safer than someone saying they are HIV negative if that answer is intended to be relied on to prevent HIV transmission.
There are no, zero studies which involve casual partners and hookups, only LTR partners who have the opportunity to verify that their partner is actually Undetectable at the time a sexual encounter occurs.
Why is this subtle but important difference not understood, worse still denied by AIDS council's and not explained to HIV Positive people when they start treatment.
Trust begins with honest disclosure, acceptance of your partners right to determine his own protection method, not blind trust in the word of someone who says they are virally suppressed. In my opinion, UVL and Neg are the same until proven that the claimed status is actually current
Trust the science, but don't blindly trust the person, humans make mistakes accidentally and occasionally deliberately
I am Neg, I serosort my men, I prefer to play with HIV Undetectable .. Look, I don't have to convince you or try and change your opinion, BUT I have the right to make the choice of who i sleep with. Neg guys don't know they are poz until its too late, or who were like me, living in fear.
An Hiv Undetectable will not lie about his status, and even if he has skipped a day or become complacent with his tablets, I am on Prep.
Negative guys are the time bombs they are the dangerous ones, and I can so understand why HIV Undetectable men don't want to play with neg, guys.
This Is my back Story, It can be found on the website "My Prep Experience" I wrote this more to myself, so I could see what thoughts were festering in my head and I could start to understand and learn, and yes, not to judge and be a bitch.
The first time I met him was at an orgy. - By Paul Watson - This is my story
It wasn’t one of those romantic moments from Cosmopolitan magazine. Nor was it one of those love story moments that make you feel like a sociopath for not ever having been in one of those hazy coffee shop situations …. but, we recognized each other.
He was naked, sweat glistening on his body, and when he got up, his cock seemed to be the one that wanted to shake hands.
My clothes were off and we were soon in a tangle of arms and legs. In amongst the temptations, salty kisses and heaving men - it was his eyes that I sought out. It was his hand that held mine in the throes of passion. It was his warm hand that touched and caressed me as I lay there thinking about an escape. But I digress, a bit of background information may be required to follow the thread of this story.
I am not a handsome devil or a cherub-faced guy. I am just your normal, run-of-the-mill, everyday man. But that’s what makes me so dangerous. I smell like a man, I look like a man, I have grey streaks in my beard and tiny laugh lines at the outer corners of my eyes. I have a wry smile and a naughty glint in my eyes. I can track a smile from way across a room and am very aware of any mans’ lingering gaze on my crotch. Through many years of practice, my success rate is pretty high – although I don’t always get the guy.
In banks, shopping malls, gyms, out jogging, I spot them - looking. I always make the first move. A greeting, a friendly “Hello” and, once I have the slight confirmation of mutual “lust”, I swiftly move in for the kill. Like a slathering and ravenous wolf that hunts alone, I have taken singles, couples and sometimes groups.
My taste in men is real men! They range from hairy-backed bear-like men to smooth-chested accountants to beer-bellied and chain-smoking alcoholics. Married men, straight men, gay men - I don’t discriminate. Sometimes I string them along if the sex is good but, often, it’s a once off mutual understanding of lust and release. To have sex with a man is an all-encompassing and overpowering urge. An urge that is so great that it overshadows all else and, like a scalding knife that cuts into your brain, short-circuiting all thoughts other than the one goal – to get one thing. SEX!
"This isn’t me," I hear you cry, "I do not have urges like that."
I cannot relate. Being gay in the 1980s until the present day has had some very interesting parallels. Where once I was ashamed and hid my sexuality for fear of rejection. I now find that, even though I am an openly gay man, I still have a largely hidden private life.
In my twenties, my boyfriend at that time introduced me to a man who would sit at the end of the local gay bar with a cigarette in one hand and glass of wine in the other who would deliver a string of witty comeback remarks that had us in stitches. A few short months later we stood beside his bed in the local hospice saying our goodbyes to him. I remember his pleading eyes in a sunken face - betrayed by the disease that ravaged his body. This was a harsh early lesson learned regarding the realities of the AIDS generation and the consequences of erratic condom use. At the time, my own condom use was approximately 50%. People don’t always think in the heat of passion, they just dive on in and deal with consequences later.
Show me a man that has a 100% condom usage rate, and I will show you a politician in the making.
This experience certainly scared me enough to use a condom or to at least, limit myself to one partner at a time for a while. Like most victims of the AIDS epidemic, names and faces would just fade like some melting iceberg. Here today, gone tomorrow - and the uncaring world and life go on.
The truth is - the world NEVER stops.
In this life, no one gets out alive … No-one.
It was after I had sex with Mr O on a number of occasions that he advised me of his HIV status. He was HIV positive. He told me as we lay together, holding on to each other as if the world were disappearing beneath our feet. I could feel him clinging on to me - almost expecting me to jump off the bed and run hysterically down the street. Inside I was screaming - I wanted to scream at him. I wanted to cry, and plead - but I was surprised by my own actions.
I kissed him instead. Mr O, with his placid nature and his understanding eyes, cradled me in his arms as if protecting me from a terrifying storm. There was something even stronger than the tempest inside of me, HIV/AIDS, death … These things were part of him, a huge part. These things ruled his life and had done so for years. Would they start to rule mine as well?
After he told me, I was filled with mixed emotions. I wanted to run, I wanted to get away. It was as if I had been burnt by a flame. Things I’d read in magazines, information spread by the media and things that friends and acquaintances had said swirled around in my head. I wished them gone - this HIV thing had become too real. Even language and means of communication has changed, we whisper in each others’ ears “Are you clean?”. These words contain so much negative stigma that this disease has spread. We say it as though someone with HIV is dirty, an unclean and unholy thing.
When I left him - I ran. I ran to be tested.
It had been three years since my last test and I’d liaised with about 150 men du