> Many Palestinians want only one-state solution
S1. They wish to do so by destroying Israel (as Samer does) and killing all the Jews (Hamas Covenant, Hizbullah).
Samer> the Zionist movement only want a "Jewish nation."
S2. The Zionism movement accepted partition in 1923 (80% of "historic Palestine" was made into an exclusive Arab kingdom, no Jews allowed, known as Trans-Jordanian Palestine and today known as Jordan). In 1937, the Jewish Agency (the pre-state authority) accepted in principle the two-state solution first proposed by the Peel Commission. The Arab leadership (they still weren't called "Palestinians") rejected it. In 1947, the Jewish Agency accepted the UN partition compromise. The Arab High Committee (which represented the Arabs of Mandate Palestine) violently rejected it and began attacking the Jewish community, with neighboring Arab countries joining the attack following the departure of the British Mandatory forces.
S3. After the 1948 war, Israel was willing to make peace, but the Arab parties rejected it. So too after 1956 and 1967. Most recently, Israeli Prime Minister Barak accepted the Clinton Compromise Parameters (which would have established Arab Palestine on a net 97% of the disputed territories, contiguous in Gaza and in the former so-called "West Bank" and including the Arab neighborhoods of Jerusalem and shared sovereignty over the Temple Mount, and the so-called "right of return" to the nascent state along with a $30 Billion fund to compensate and resettle the refugees and their descendants.
Samer> the Palestinians (under the Ottoman Empire) told the United Nations that there should be a secular one democratic state for all
S4. The UN didn't exist until 30 years after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. There was no group known as "Palestinians" under the Ottomen Empire and no such national movement.
Samer> The Palestinians welcomed any foreign Jew to Palestine as long as they learned Arabic and tried to work together with the Palestinian (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) and not try to fight them.
S5. Jews in "Palestine" (no such place then existed) were brutally opressed as dhimmis. In the late 17th century, the entire Jewish population of Jerusalem was slaughtered. Jews (like Christians) had to turn to foreign powers for protections (part of the Capitulations imposed on the Ottoman Empire).
S6. The Arab Muslims didn't seem to object to Arabs coming from Egypt, Mesopotamia (Iraq) or as far as Morocco, or for Muslims to arrive from Bosnia, Persia or Afghanistan, but if a Jew came from those same areas they were "foreign" "invaders". Today we call that Xenophobia.
Samer> the Zionists (European Jews) wanted to take over all of Palestine for themselves and get rid of the native people (Palestinians.)
S7. The Arabs of Palestine (today known as "Palestinians") are not "native". Some date back to the Arab invasion of the 7th century, but most arrived in recent centuries.
S8. Zionists included Mizrahi (middle eastern) Jews - as is still true today. As we already saw above, the Zionists were open to partition and the two-state solution
Samer> The Palestinians were willing to share but the Zionists weren't.
S9. Some were, but their leadership (known as the Arab High Command) was not - repeatedly choosing violence, terrorism and war over compromise. As we see to this day.
Samer> If not for Hitler, there probably wouldn’t be an Israel at allLutherGooch
> Hitler almost killed all the Jews and the British had a place they could come to ...thus Israel
S10. The Palestine Mandate was established following WW I
under the principle of self-determination for people. At the time "Palestine" was the Latin/European name for Eretz Yisrael and not a reference to an Arab group. Here is the purpose of the Mandate, 2 decades before hitler:http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/palmanda.asp
|| The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions
Samer> Israel has caused more Jewish deaths than anything else.
S11. That is as illogically warped as claiming that opposition to hitler caused deaths rather than hitler causing them.
S12. It is Arab violence, terrorism and war that has caused these Jewish deaths.
Samer> I think colonialism is stupid and people should not go off claiming other people’s homes as their own
S13. The Arab dynasties who conquered and colonized the Jewish homeland had no business doing so.
Samer> Israel keeps expanding over the years
S14. Israel expands only after it is attacked - which is not a sign of aggression as you pretend and misrepresent.
Samer> it won’t stop until the Palestinians have no land left in the area.
S14. Odd, isn't it, that under the Oslo peace process Israel withdrew from land where 98% of the Palestinian Arabs in the territories reside, eh?
Samer> There are many Jewish-Palestinian alliances, but never Zionist-Palestinian alliance.
S17. Are you saying that the Israeli Arabs who support Israel (and are thus Zionists) are not "Palestinians"?
Samer> Zionist is the main root cause the Middle East conflict.
S18. A sick delusion that parallels hitler blaming Jews as the cause of European conflict and blaming women for getting raped.
S19. What is true in Samer's words is that Israel's existence (not anything Israel does) is the cause of conflct precisely because there are those Arabs who won't tolerate the existence of a Jewish state and will fight "forever" to destroy it rather than compromise and live in peace.
Samer> There should be a secular country and a true democracy
S20. Israel is a secular country and a true democracy.
S21. Once again we see that you are more interested in destroying Israel than in building Arab Palestine.
That is a tremendous insight for anyone who wants to understand the Arab-Israeli conflict.