Mar 07, 2009 8:09 PM GMT
He created only Adam at the begining..
Who Said God is straight ??!
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Mar 07, 2009 8:09 PM GMT
He created only Adam at the begining..
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Mar 07, 2009 8:22 PM GMTHe could be... a She
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Mar 07, 2009 8:34 PM GMTOr he can be.. an it !
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Mar 07, 2009 8:40 PM GMTIt's funny. The idea of Santa Clause is absurd....but an invisible sky wizard is worth 10% of my paycheck and a wasted sunday.
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Mar 07, 2009 8:44 PM GMTxrichx saidOr he can be.. an it !
It ...
now I know why I don't WANT to belive ... lol
So try to argue with me and convince me that God is straight ... you can't ..
You can relate to the need of nature to preserve "life", by breeding or splitting of everything alive.. but in the other hand homosexuality is a way to keep it under control .. it's one of the nature functions.. -
Mar 07, 2009 8:51 PM GMTGHoSTic said
He created only Adam at the begining..
Actually, that depends on which version of the creation in Genesis you go by. There are two versions.
In the first version, male and female were created together: "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." (1:27)
In the second version, male was created first...then a whole bunch of stuff....then female was created:
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." (2:7)
Starting at 2:18
"And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an helpmate for him.
002:019 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the
field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam
to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called
every living creature, that was the name thereof.
002:020 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air,
and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not
found an helpmate for him.
002:021 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he
slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh
instead thereof;
002:022 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a
woman, and brought her unto the man."
The two version do other things in a different order, too.
Genesis 1 has creation in the order: plants; sea creatures and birds; land animals; man and woman (together); in Genesis 2 the sequence is: man; plants; land animals and birds; woman.
Thus sayeth the Lord. ...
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Mar 07, 2009 9:07 PM GMTCaslon ... you really an expert in bibles ..
I was reffering to what most religions say not just christianity.. there is Judaism and Islam .. both say Adam was created from clay and Eve after him from one of his ribs ..
But while taking this argue don't reffer to the holy books as "god said that homosexuality is wrong" ... judge by logic only ... (why are we taking this too much seriously?)
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Mar 07, 2009 9:15 PM GMTOh no.
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Mar 07, 2009 9:19 PM GMTBrainyBrainyBrainy saidOh no.
The cute brainy guy said it ... -
Mar 07, 2009 9:47 PM GMTGHoSTic said
He created only Adam at the begining..
My parents created me first. Does that make my mom straight and my dad gay?
Also, god created other animals before man. Does that men god likes to fuck sheep? -
Mar 07, 2009 9:59 PM GMTGHoSTic saidCaslon ... you really an expert in bibles ..
I was reffering to what most religions say not just christianity.. there is Judaism and Islam .. both say Adam was created from clay and Eve after him from one of his ribs ..
But while taking this argue don't reffer to the holy books as "god said that homosexuality is wrong" ... judge by logic only ... (why are we taking this too much seriously?)
In America, it is necessary to defend yourself by understanding your enemy .... christians dont know their bible so throwing out tidbits like there are two creation stories in Genesis discombobulates them to no end. ...
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Mar 07, 2009 10:01 PM GMTMunchingZombie said
GHoSTic said
He created only Adam at the begining..
My parents created me first. Does that make my mom straight and my dad gay?
Also, god created other animals before man. Does that men god likes to fuck sheep?
OMG ... MunchingZombie is back!!!! ....
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Mar 07, 2009 10:02 PM GMTMunchingZombie said
GHoSTic said
He created only Adam at the begining..
My parents created me first. Does that make my mom straight and my dad gay?
Also, god created other animals before man. Does that men god likes to fuck sheep?
When I saw that he replied I knew I'm gonna get a smart reply ...
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Mar 07, 2009 10:02 PM GMTGHoSTic saidCaslon ... you really an expert in bibles ..
I was reffering to what most religions say not just christianity.. there is Judaism and Islam .. both say Adam was created from clay and Eve after him from one of his ribs ..
But while taking this argue don't reffer to the holy books as "god said that homosexuality is wrong" ... judge by logic only ... (why are we taking this too much seriously?)
HAHAHA judge by logic? HAHAHA
Judging by the homos in these threads... emotion and sarcasm rule, rarely is actual evidence presented in support of one's response, let me correct that, anecdotal evidence is often offered. -
Mar 07, 2009 10:07 PM GMTxrichx saidOr he can be.. an it !
Ramen, brother! -
Mar 07, 2009 10:08 PM GMTMunchingZombie said
GHoSTic said
He created only Adam at the begining..
My parents created me first. Does that make my mom straight and my dad gay?
Also, god created other animals before man. Does that men god likes to fuck sheep?
*jumphug* -
Mar 07, 2009 10:17 PM GMTGHoSTic said
MunchingZombie said
GHoSTic said
He created only Adam at the begining..
My parents created me first. Does that make my mom straight and my dad gay?
Also, god created other animals before man. Does that men god likes to fuck sheep?
When I saw that he replied I knew I'm gonna get a smart reply ...
Sorry you didn't like my smart reply. But, what I wanted to do was point out the weak premise of your argument. I don't think it is argued in the bible that god is heterosexual at all, or sexual at all for that mater. From a Christian perspective he makes his son flesh via Mary without sexual reproduction, hence the virgin birth.
The anti-homosexual content of the bible has its origins in larger texts describing heteropraxy (though it is argued by scholars like Boswell, McNeil, and Jordan that it is making an entirely different origin outside of the bible). -
Mar 07, 2009 10:47 PM GMTWho said "he" has a sexuality at all? O and welcome back Munching. I missed ya. -
Mar 07, 2009 10:52 PM GMTthis thread is gay -
Mar 07, 2009 11:57 PM GMTCaslon> [that] there are two creation stories in Genesis discombobulates them to no end
It sure should pull the plug on a fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible as well as the mythos that the Torah (first 5 books) were written by Moses and are directly the word of God.
The reason for the diverging stories (and this is not the only example) is that the Torah as we know it came to be not in the time of Moses (around 1300 BCE, assuming he even existed) but more than 500 years later, after the fall of the northern Kingdom of Israel to the Assyrian Empire. Remnants of the northern Kingdom came under the rule of the Southern Kingdom of Judea - but it turns out that the legends of each were slightly different. Where possible, stories were fused together. At other times, the redactors found it impossible to leave out one version or another... and included both (so that each side would be content).
If you find this interesting, a very good read is:
Who Wrote The Bible
by Richard Friedman
http://www.amazon.com/Wrote-Bible-Richard-Elliott-Friedman/dp/0060630353
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Mar 08, 2009 12:48 AM GMTIs he hot? -
Mar 08, 2009 12:54 AM GMTCaslon9000 said
GHoSTic saidCaslon ... you really an expert in bibles ..
I was reffering to what most religions say not just christianity.. there is Judaism and Islam .. both say Adam was created from clay and Eve after him from one of his ribs ..
But while taking this argue don't reffer to the holy books as "god said that homosexuality is wrong" ... judge by logic only ... (why are we taking this too much seriously?)
In America, it is necessary to defend yourself by understanding your enemy .... christians dont know their bible so throwing out tidbits like there are two creation stories in Genesis discombobulates them to no end. ...
Christians are not your enemy. Your enemy may be Christian or call themselves Christian. -
Mar 08, 2009 1:04 AM GMTThere is actually is some pretty interesting analysis by scholars regarding Jesus actually being rather bisexual himself, if he and the father are one.... you do the math.
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Mar 08, 2009 1:30 AM GMTCaesarea4 saidCaslon> [that] there are two creation stories in Genesis discombobulates them to no end
It sure should pull the plug on a fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible as well as the mythos that the Torah (first 5 books) were written by Moses and are directly the word of God.
The reason for the diverging stories (and this is not the only example) is that the Torah as we know it came to be not in the time of Moses (around 1300 BCE, assuming he even existed) but more than 500 years later, after the fall of the northern Kingdom of Israel to the Assyrian Empire. Remnants of the northern Kingdom came under the rule of the Southern Kingdom of Judea - but it turns out that the legends of each were slightly different. Where possible, stories were fused together. At other times, the redactors found it impossible to leave out one version or another... and included both (so that each side would be content).
If you find this interesting, a very good read is:
Who Wrote The Bible
by Richard Friedman
http://www.amazon.com/Wrote-Bible-Richard-Elliott-Friedman/dp/0060630353
Yes, been there, read that. Good book! I also have his edition of the torah with the various parts distinguished in various colors and fonts.
Another good book that I am reading now is:
The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts
by Neil Asher Silberman and Israel Finkelstein
Amazon.com Review
The Bible Unearthed is a balanced, thoughtful, bold reconsideration of the historical period that produced the Hebrew Bible. The headline news in this book is easy to pick out: there is no evidence for the existence of Abraham, or any of the Patriarchs; ditto for Moses and the Exodus; and the same goes for the whole period of Judges and the united monarchy of David and Solomon. In fact, the authors argue that it is impossible to say much of anything about ancient Israel until the seventh century B.C., around the time of the reign of King Josiah. In that period, "the narrative of the Bible was uniquely suited to further the religious reform and territorial ambitions of Judah." Yet the authors deny that their arguments should be construed as compromising the Bible's power. Only in the 18th century--"when the Hebrew Bible began to be dissected and studied in isolation from its powerful function in community life"--did readers begin to view the Bible as a source of empirically verifiable history. For most of its life, the Bible has been what Finkelstein and Silberman reveal it once more to be: an eloquent expression of "the deeply rooted sense of shared origins, experiences, and destiny that every human community needs in order to survive," written in such a way as to encompass "the men, women, and children, the rich, the poor, and the destitute of an entire community."
http://www.amazon.com/Bible-Unearthed-Archaeologys-Vision-Ancient/dp/0684869136/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1236475588&sr=8-1 -
Mar 08, 2009 1:35 AM GMTYngHungSFSD saidThere is actually is some pretty interesting analysis by scholars regarding Jesus actually being rather bisexual himself, if he and the father are one.... you do the math.
Indeed, Jesus had a boyfriend...the beloved disciple...
Man Jesus Loved: Homoerotic Narratives from the New Testament
by Theodore W., Jr. Jennings
A reviewer's comments:
The Man Jesus Loved" clears away centuries of traditional Christian teaching to reexamine Jesus's positions and roles with regard to personal relationships and family values and how these relate to the Kingdom of Heaven.
Members of the Christian Right in the USA are frequently known to state that biological family trumps everything, that marriage can only be between an adult man and an adult woman, that active homosexuals are automatically condemned to burn in the flames of hell, and that women and children should be subordinate to men. Centuries of the teachings of St. Paul, many early Church Fathers, of Church Councils, of Orthodox Jewish (and Islamic) teachings, and Papal directives are cited to support these views.
The author, Theodore W. Jennings, Jr., Ph.D. is a professor of biblical and constructive theology at Chicago Theological Seminary and is a United Methodist clergyman. He is not a crank but a trained professional willing to take another look at the Jesus story before the Church became a part of the respectable Establishment of the Roman Empire. It turns out that all the above mentioned teachings of members of the Christian Right are challenged in the Gospels (and in supporting documents like the Gospel of Thomas).
Jennings starts out by examining the title character's role in the Gospel of St. John [John 13, 18-21]. It turns out that there is substantial similarity between the relationship between Jesus and the Beloved Disciple and that between a lover and a beloved in a Hellenistic gymnasium; nowadays we would say they were boyfriends or lovers. Jennings reviews various attempts to identify the Beloved Disciple and goes into the stories of the nude youth fleeing at the arrest of Jesus, of Lazarus, of the youth at the tomb of Jesus, and of the usage of the words eros vs. philia vs. agape (different Koine Greek words for love) in the text. Furthermore, there is no indication Jesus and the Beloved Disciple would not have consummated the relationship. Jennings makes a case that traditional commentators prefer to ignore or sublimate.
Jennings moves on to show how the story of the Centurion's lad (pais,doulos) [Matthew 8:5-13] might reasonably be interpreted as Jesus being happy to help a sick lover in a same-sex relationship and on Jesus's compassion for eunuchs.
http://www.amazon.com/Man-Jesus-Loved-Homoerotic-Narratives/dp/082981535X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1236475880&sr=1-1
