Can a true Christian be a supporter of Trump? No! Absolutely not! An evangelical Christian calls out fellow members for their support of Trump.

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    Jan 31, 2020 12:55 AM GMT
    To be a true follower of Christ you must take Christ's words seriously:
    love God
    love your neighbor
    feed the hungry
    fight for justice for the oppressed
    be full of kindness, gentleness and be self controlled.

    The very antithesis of Trump and those who support him and condone his behavior

    "An evangelical Christian musician is calling out his fellow members of the faith for their widespread support of President Donald Trump in a new song titled: “Hymn For The 81%.”

    https://religionnews.com/2020/01/21/hymn-for-the-81-a-conversation-with-daniel-deitrich/

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/daniel-deitrich-evangelical-anti-trump-song_n_5e3114ebc5b6e8375f64ce56

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    Jan 31, 2020 5:56 PM GMT
    Having belonged to a fundamentalist Christian sect when I was a young man, let me warn: a True Christian can be a Trump supporter. Many of the mechanisms that compel fealty to its code--appeals to authority, rejection of contrary evidence, othering of people outside of the sect, the inconsistencies in the purported Word of God--buttress the cognitive dissonance that make elevating Trump an easy lift.

    It's easy to point to the dogma that Jesus of Nazareth espoused as antithetical to Trump--rejection of wealth, elevation of the poor and meek, forgiveness in the face of repentance, rejection of self-serving hypocrisy--while ensuring that the Word of God itself is unquestioned. And it's that unquestioning adherence that makes corruption of Jesus's supposed intent, and cherry-picking (think of the contortions of the Prosperity Gospel televangelists to argue FOR wealth) so efficacious.

    One of the most dangerous verses in the bible, 2 Timothy 3:16, argues for scripture's primacy: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness..."

    If scripture is the Word of God, who are we to question it? If, in fact, it contradicts itself, it must be due to our limited ability to discern the will of God. So, an "authority" discerns it for us. Prosperity preachers, slavery apologists, anti-abortionists, creationists, racists, even rapists: all of them can attain a foothold in the sloppy pronouncements and ambiguity of a flawed handbook.

    Trump is antithetical to Jesus, it's so obvious, yes. But that Christians can be convinced by their leaders to reject the things they can plainly see and hear is a direct result of having built their foundation on--excuse the borrow here--sand.
  • Element1313

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    Feb 01, 2020 1:40 AM GMT
    This is an argument trying to find right in the two wrongs. Liberals are anti-Christian and anti American so what choice do the
    “ deplorables” have other then Trump.
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    Feb 01, 2020 3:12 AM GMT
    Element1313 saidThis is an argument trying to find right in the two wrongs. Liberals are anti-Christian and anti American so what choice do the
    “ deplorables” have other then Trump.


    Maybe you could help me understand your dualism here. Your only option is Trump because you believe liberals are anti-Christian and anti-American?

    Are "deplorables" incapable of critical thinking? I'm not saying you aren't capable, I'm asking if you believe that you are.
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    Feb 01, 2020 9:12 AM GMT
    Element1313 saidThis is an argument trying to find right in the two wrongs. Liberals are anti-Christian and anti American so what choice do the
    “ deplorables” have other then Trump.

    There are many Gays 4 Trump, that identity as Christian.
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    Feb 02, 2020 12:59 AM GMT
    Element1313 saidThis is an argument trying to find right in the two wrongs. Liberals are anti-Christian and anti American so what choice do the
    “ deplorables” have other then Trump.


    Dumpsters are triggered again. I guess they haven't recovered from HRC. Tear soaked hankies over the term "deplorable". We've lost count on Dear Leader's euphemisms insults and hateful expressions.
  • Element1313

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    Feb 02, 2020 5:47 AM GMT
    Hillary coined the term deplorables to describe anyone who is not a Democrat. Yet she is a “Goldwater girl” I.e. Republican, when it was opportunistic to be so and Trump was a Democrat but when it was opportunistic he ran as a Republican.

    I didn’t vote for either of the two wrongs. Liberals don’t use the words religion or god, they use the code word “faith” to skirt the issue and “choice” to mask infanticide and they hate the flag . In my travels in Europe as a kid you could tell the Americans because every other kid had a back pack with their country flag sewn on it, not the Americans.

    mickeytopogigio said
    Element1313 saidThis is an argument trying to find right in the two wrongs. Liberals are anti-Christian and anti American so what choice do the
    “ deplorables” have other then Trump.


    Maybe you could help me understand your dualism here. Your only option is Trump because you believe liberals are anti-Christian and anti-American?

    Are "deplorables" incapable of critical thinking? I'm not saying you aren't capable, I'm asking if you believe that you are.
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    Feb 02, 2020 2:26 PM GMT
    Element1313 saidThis is an argument trying to find right in the two wrongs. Liberals are anti-Christian and anti American so what choice do the
    “ deplorables” have other then Trump. ,

    Liberals are not anti christian. Christ himself was a liberal. Liberals are just more honest and less hypocritical than conservatives.
    Christians are to be in this world and not of this world and definitely are not to become prostitutes of any political party. They are supposed to lead by example and are tasked with being the light and salt to a lost generation. Christians are commanded to above all be honest, truthful, kind and peace loving - characteristics which by and large are demonstrated by liberals, but sorely lacking in conservatives.
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    Feb 02, 2020 2:36 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidHaving belonged to a fundamentalist Christian sect when I was a young man, let me warn: a True Christian can be a Trump supporter. Many of the mechanisms that compel fealty to its code--appeals to authority, rejection of contrary evidence, othering of people outside of the sect, the inconsistencies in the purported Word of God--buttress the cognitive dissonance that make elevating Trump an easy lift.



    I see this as a contradiction somewhat: A true christian must have certain characteristics. If they do not have them, they cannot be a considered part of that group. It's what Jesus said about an apple tree not being able to bear plum. That by their fruits, his children will be known. Paul, in Hebrews and in several other letters, also taught that Jesus' work is transformative. That you cannot continue or adopt mores and actions antithetical to Christ and still be a part of the body of Christ. If you were to do so, the truth cannot be found in you. Now is it possible for one to delude oneself and think one can be? Absolutely...
  • piedmontatl

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    Feb 03, 2020 5:19 PM GMT
    81% of Evangelicals support Trump. There's always going to be a few who will not.

    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-01-02/opinion-religion-in-the-u-s-is-too-complicated-for-simple-rules-like-evangelicals-support-trump
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    Feb 04, 2020 5:58 PM GMT
    Element1313 saidHillary coined the term deplorables to describe anyone who is not a Democrat. Yet she is a “Goldwater girl” I.e. Republican, when it was opportunistic to be so and Trump was a Democrat but when it was opportunistic he ran as a Republican.

    I didn’t vote for either of the two wrongs. Liberals don’t use the words religion or god, they use the code word “faith” to skirt the issue and “choice” to mask infanticide and they hate the flag . In my travels in Europe as a kid you could tell the Americans because every other kid had a back pack with their country flag sewn on it, not the Americans.


    Here's that critical thinking I was asking about. You heard that Hillary called non-Democrats "deplorables," but did you really? Find the video, quote it in context. I'll wait. You're angry at the straw men either you--or your not-at-all-suspect information sources--have manufactured. But I'm not here to defend Hillary. She's paid way more than I am to defend herself.

    But WTF with the flag on a backpack thing? Was every backpack-wearing American a liberal? Can I imagine you accosting every American in Prague with, "Hey motherfucker, you're probably a liberal because your backpack lacks branding..."? Are you serious? The backpack had an Adidas logo on it. How much more fucking American can a fucking backpack be?

    Embrace that deplorables thing. It sounds like that's all you got.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 04, 2020 8:30 PM GMT
    Element1313 saidThis is an argument trying to find right in the two wrongs. Liberals are anti-Christian and anti American so what choice do the
    “ deplorables” have other then Trump.
    FYI, liberals are NOT anti American, we just want to make the US a better place with equality, fairness, and opportunities for all. There is absolutely nothing anti American about that concept except in the windmills of Trumptards warped, archaic mindsicon_razz.gif
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    Apr 01, 2020 12:12 AM GMT
    NEDC12 saidTo be a true follower of Christ you must take Christ's words seriously:
    love God
    love your neighbor
    feed the hungry
    fight for justice for the oppressed
    be full of kindness, gentleness and be self controlled.

    The very antithesis of Trump and those who support him and condone his behavior

    "An evangelical Christian musician is calling out his fellow members of the faith for their widespread support of President Donald Trump in a new song titled: “Hymn For The 81%.”

    https://religionnews.com/2020/01/21/hymn-for-the-81-a-conversation-with-daniel-deitrich/

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/daniel-deitrich-evangelical-anti-trump-song_n_5e3114ebc5b6e8375f64ce56



    Finally, someone who does pay attention the the so called "good" book.

    I was raised in a christian family, pretty much forced me to read the bible thoroughly, fell out of christianity when I ask a priest/ministor/pastor parts that ddin't make any sense to me. When they couldn't explain (even publicly on stage) any valid answers, I knew something wasn't right about the religon.

    To all who claim to follow "the cross", suggest you reread the entire bible thoroughly, then compare it to what's being done in this day and age.

    Example: there are to be NO MONEY handlings/dealings within the house of god..... explain WOW cd's, candles, pictures of Jesus/Mary, an actual "gift" shop containing bibles with price tags.....

    Here's another one..... Upon the medevil/renaissance era, it was said thst anything not of this world (technology/medicine) are the works of the devil, and have no place among the holy..... Explain the lights, projectors, computers and electronics used to put on their show every sunday, or the chemicals/pills used to cure diseases..... the power of "prayer" can't cure everything like wanting a lost limb back or fighting cancer.....

    One last thing to think about, catholic priests and nuns are not allowed to marry, nor have any sexual function whatsoever..... Remind me again how many sexual allegations have been filled since the start of these groups?