Why I Do Not Align or Fool Around with Atheists and Agnostics

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    May 17, 2020 4:53 PM GMT
    tautology: the saying of the same thing twice in different words, generally considered to be a fault of style
    (e.g., they arrived one after the other in succession ).

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    No being can come into existence except through a being that already exists.
    There must be at least one necessary being, a being that is not capable of not existing.
    There cannot be an infinite chain of necessary beings whose necessity is caused by another necessary being.
    There must be a being that is necessary in itself.
    That being is God.

    Edited from The Five Ways – Philosophy entry in Encyclopaedia Britannica
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/the-Five-Ways

    Steefen
    Does this work, not with the human animal, an incarnation of consciousness, but with an individual consciousness?

    Does this work with a collective consciousness, such as the iChing?

    Some entities of consciousness are just re-incarnations of consciousness.

    Some entities of consciousness are new incarnations of consciousness.

    Well, one could posit they are newly incarnated as a given type of consciousness, having been a different type of consciousness in a different type of incarnation.

    Before human consciousness, there were other types of individual consciousness.

    If we back out of the consciousness of all animals, we still have the consciousness of Gaia.

    The Gaia Theory posits that the organic and inorganic components of Planet Earth have evolved together as a single living, self-regulating system. It suggests that this living system has automatically controlled global temperature, atmospheric content, ocean salinity, and other factors, that maintains its own habitability. In a phrase, “life maintains conditions suitable for its own survival.” In this respect, the living system of Earth can be thought of analogous to the workings of any individual organism that regulates body temperature, blood salinity, etc. So, for instance, even though the luminosity of the sun – the Earth’s heat source – has increased by about 30 percent since life began almost four billion years ago, the living system has reacted as a whole to maintain temperatures at levels suitable for life.

    Do humans have existential Gods, entities without which, we cannot exist? Certainly.
    Atheism and agnosticism is nonsense.

    We have prior humans of incarnation (family tree).
    We have the collective conscious and the collective unconscious.

    collective unconscious: the part of the unconscious mind which is derived from ancestral memory and experience and is common to all humankind, as distinct from the individual’s unconscious.

    We also have Gaia.

    Gaia has the Sun.

    The ancients saw Gaia as a goddess and the Sun as a god, be it Sol Invictus, the Aten, etc.

    The ancients were also aware of the stars in the sky. The Sun was a member of its own collective.

    That collective was in one of the four arms of the Milky Way Galaxy, one of 54 galaxies is a local group of galaxies.

    The three largest galaxies in the Local Group are Andromeda, the Milky Way, and Triangulum (M33).

    Look to your near gods without reaching conclusions based on far away gods.

    As Earth has some self-regulating properties,
    as the Sun has some self-regulating properties,
    as the Milky Way maintains its integrity, even with the help of gravity, weak and strong nuclear forces, and electromagnetism
    as all of the 54 galaxies are not all spiral galaxies and therefore have different self-regulating properties,
    Let the Lords be Lords and recognize their power instead of speak of the nonsense of agnosticism and atheism.

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    I agree, but wouldn’t you also agree that as there are weak and strong nuclear forces, gravity, and electromagnetism,
    there also are the elements of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen that move the discussion for gods of humans beyond the near gods to the distant gods?

    Steefen
    There are Gods and their are conditions/phenomenon. In that I brought in weak and strong nuclear forces, gravity, and electromagnetism, leaving out the periodic chart is a moot addition.
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    Do humans have existential Gods, entities without which, we cannot exist? Certainly.
    Atheism and agnosticism is nonsense.

    We have prior humans of incarnation (family tree).
    We have the collective conscious and the collective unconscious.

    collective unconscious: the part of the unconscious mind which is derived from ancestral memory and experience and is common to all humankind, as distinct from the individual’s unconscious.

    We also have Gaia.

    Gaia has the Sun.

    The ancients saw Gaia as a goddess and the Sun as a god, be it Sol Invictus, the Aten, etc.

    The ancients were also aware of the stars in the sky. The Sun was a member of its own collective.

    That collective was in one of the four arms of the Milky Way Galaxy, one of 54 galaxies is a local group of galaxies.

    The three largest galaxies in the Local Group are Andromeda, the Milky Way, and Triangulum (M33).

    Look to your near gods without reaching conclusions based on far away gods.

    Steefen

    We have life through the Sun.

    Okay, that is fine. One cannot live without the Sun and without the Earth rotating on its axis, facing the Sun giving us day, not facing the Sun giving us night, and without the Earth orbiting the Sun, giving us seasons.

    Much of creation on Earth depends on the day, the night, and the seasons, but is our particular Sun the creator?

    The answer, is no. We are back into the periodic table of elements section of the discussion.

    The Sun is a star. So, you have the Helium and Hydrogen but it is with the death of stars that we get heavier elements.

    Living God and Death of God creates life.
    Monotheism is a failed hypothesis.

    “You do not exist without stars going kablooey.”

    When stars die, they leave behind three very crucial things for human life:
    – Carbon (the backbone of all living matter, including us
    – Nitrogen (which makes up approximately 80% of the atmosphere)
    – Oxygen

    David Biello, TED Science Curator

    You need a stellar mortician to know what the death of stars contribute to life.
    Our Provider-God is the Sun, a star;
    our Creator-God ARE Dead Stars and a Living Star.



    Uncharted, Friday, May 15, 2020 / NPR TED Radio Hour
    https://www.npr.org/programs/ted-radio-hour/?showDate=2020-05-15
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    May 21, 2020 4:46 PM GMT
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    Once you have been out of body / had your life lovingly steered by unseen intelligence(s) / remembered previous lives that made you cry - how can you possibly deny the spiritual realities?

    Astrologer:
    Spiritual realities cannot be denied. // Yet, there is much evil on Earth from which comes much suffering. // Yes, the Sun is a Lord, if not a God. Yes, there may be Lords/Gods of the galaxy, especially because astrology looks beyond the ecliptic with the parans of this or that star rising while this or that planet was in culmination, etc.; and, because I think some astrologers speak of the galactic center.. // Let the goodness and the evil influences in our galaxy be the scope of our gods without trying to affirm or negate a notion of gods encompassing the 54 galaxies in our local group of galaxies.// If the gods of Earth revolving on its axis, the Moon, and the Sun gives us excellent days and nights, let there be gods/lords that can give us truth, justice, and happiness despite there being people who have not transformed into truth, justice, happiness, for all their Mercury-Pluto or their Jupiter square Mars orientations, despite people who cannot get away from the dangers of Moon Opposition Mars interactions that are dysfunctional/degrading.
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    May 25, 2020 5:27 PM GMT
    Well I am an agnostic and there is nothing wrong or nonsensical about agnosticism icon_exclaim.gif
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    May 25, 2020 10:30 PM GMT
    roadrageBlob saidWell I am an agnostic and there is nothing wrong or nonsensical about agnosticism.

    Claims to be "without knowledge." Answers life's most important questions with "dunno."

    roadrageBlob saidThe Bible is a book of fairy tales.

    Pretends to be competent to defame the only self-authenticating book ever written.

    Conclusion: "nonsensical."
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    May 27, 2020 4:06 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidWell I am an agnostic and there is nothing wrong or nonsensical about agnosticism icon_exclaim.gif


    You're only mouthing off.
    You see there is a discussion above your opinion.
    Other the gods that are providers (Sun and Earth) and the gods that are creators (Stars and Stars that have died), what else is in your definition of god?