You Must Not ‘Do Your Own Research’ When It Comes To Science

  • metta

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    Aug 04, 2020 7:59 PM GMT
    You Must Not ‘Do Your Own Research’ When It Comes To Science

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2020/07/30/you-must-not-do-your-own-research-when-it-comes-to-science/
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    Aug 04, 2020 10:30 PM GMT
    This isn’t a problem for Trump. Who neither does his own research nor listens to the peer-reviewed research of science professionals. He merely has to rely on his gut feelings.

    His sources are “things I’ve heard” and “people are saying”. Of course we never know who or what those are. But since he claims he's right “most of the time” it doesn’t make any difference that his sources are without attribution. He’s right anyway, as he assures us.

    Like he was right about warmer weather making the coronavirus disappear like a miracle. Right about the virus not spreading, being under control. Right about hydroxycholoroquinine being a cure that was gonna stop the virus.
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    Aug 05, 2020 8:38 AM GMT
    "The Key to Defeating COVID-19 Already Exists.
    We Need to Start Using It"


    "I am referring, of course, to the medication hydroxychloroquine."

    "When this inexpensive oral medication is given very early in the course of illness, before the virus has had time to multiply beyond control, it has shown to be highly effective, especially when given in combination with the antibiotics azithromycin or doxycycline and the nutritional supplement zinc."

    HARVEY A. RISCH, MD, PHD , PROFESSOR OF EPIDEMIOLOGY, YALE SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH


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    https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535

    The left politicizes "science" turning it into "fake science" and "junk science" then calls it "settled science."
    Man-made global warming is a prominent example.
    The "theory" that microbes turn into microbiologists through unguided mutations, aka Darwinian evolution, is one of the examples.
    According to this courageous gentleman, whose credentials are superb, President Trump is right again...about Hydroxychloroquine being effective against the Wuhan Virus.
  • metta

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    Aug 05, 2020 6:48 PM GMT
    Covid Conspiracies- Q and A With Your Doc

    Q. Why don't we use hydroxychloroquine when we know it works?
    DOCS: It doesn't work.

    Q But you only tried it on HOSPITALIZED!
    DOCS: It ended up causing *increased* deaths in the critically sick.

    Q You should have tried it for PREVENTION!
    DOCS: We did, sigh.That did not work either.

    Q But how about taking it if you are EXPOSED?
    DOCS: Post exposure prophylaxis (PEP) did not work.

    Q But how about prophylactically for the high risk?
    DOCS: it was given to heath care workers to prevent transmission, it did not work on them either.

    Q How do you know?
    DOCS: Entire COUNTRIES tried hydroxychloroquine in many ways and in many combinations, including India ( who manufactures the majority of it), and Malaysia. They stopped because after MONTHS of giving it to people, their data showed it did NOT work.

    Q.But I saw the video of "frontline doctors"...
    DOCS: the "frontline doctors" are not taking care of covid patients. They were pediatricians, ophthalmologists, non board certified, demon sex people. There is always someone who wants their 15 minutes of fame.

    Q. But what about this study? And that one?
    DOCS: The vast majority of studies done around the world show not only does it not work, it is dangerous and kills people. There are a couple of a studies that were hopeful, but they did not pan out when studied further.

    Q. But covid is killing less people, so you lie, you just don't want to give me hydroxychloroquine!
    DOCS: People are living because we are throwing everything and the kitchen sink at people with covid now- better vent settings, more bi-pap, anticoagulation, remdesivir, decadron, convalescent plasma. We WANT to heal covid. And IF our mortality is better ( 1/3 in the ICU are dying, not 1/2), it must mean we are doing SOMETHING right! And what is working is not hydroxychloroquine! Catch 22.

    Q. Docs are deep state liberal elitists who are lying to hurt Trump!
    DOCS: Nah, we are just people who had 7-12 years of education after college, with 10-20,000 hours of post graduate training to save lives, and spent decades honing our craft. Dealing with diseases is what each of us do. We would try to save Trump too if he came into our ICU. And you. Last we checked, we swore an oath to do no harm, and thousands of health care workers have now lost their lives trying to save Americans with covid. We put our money where our mouth is, and WE are the enemy???

    Q. But I saw a conspiracy video, I read a fb post, I want you to read it, it made sense, it would change your mind!
    DOCS: I have been doing nothing but reading and reviewing and analyzing and discussing EVERY major study to come out for the last few months. HUNDREDS of studies from across the world. I already know the studies that are being (mis)quoted in the videos.

    Q. If you just gave me hydroxychloroquine and zinc and Zithromax, I wouldn't need a mask and social distancing.
    DOCS: Uhhh...wrong! Viruses do what viruses do, and we do NOT have a cure yet. Be careful.

    Q. Masks make me sick, write me a note.
    DOCS: I wear a mask for 10 hours a day, and am doing fine. We need masks in a pandemic. We are hitting another surge.

    Q. I HATE you, you are so close minded, if you just listened to this podcast you could learn something! Imma unfriend you! You are killing people and need to be sued! You are a stupid hateful ignorant person, doc!
    DOCS: OK. Let me go back to taking care of my patients now, we are in a pandemic. Stay safe and have a good life.

    PS Yes, these conversations have actually happened, yes I have been threatened, accused, blocked, muted, unfriended, unfollowed, as have many of my health care worker colleagues. Medicine has now been made the enemy in this dangerous political game. Docs are burning out- PTSD from the pandemic and strain from the constant abuse.

    Believe in science, not soundbites and conspiracies, please.

    Signed, Your Tired Physician

    Kay Judge #conspiracytheories #ScienceNotPolitics

    (Studies )


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7221473/

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/three-big-studies-dim-hopes-hydroxychloroquine-can-treat-or-prevent-covid-19


    https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2020/06/602538/dr-noor-hisham-malaysia-drops-use-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19

    "After high-risk or moderate-risk exposure to Covid-19, hydroxychloroquine did not prevent illness compatible with Covid-19 or confirmed infection when used as postexposure"
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2016638


    https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-hydroxychloroquine-and-covid-19

    https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or
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    Aug 06, 2020 1:08 AM GMT
    metta saidYou Must Not ‘Do Your Own Research’ When It Comes To Science

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2020/07/30/you-must-not-do-your-own-research-when-it-comes-to-science/

    My thought is if you are a scientist it's probably ok right? So I'm gonna just keep doing my own research. You can probably tell I'm laughing.

    What BS. It smacks of the high priests in the middle ages who would let you know what was in the Bible rather than letting you read for yourself.
    Heresy! Martin Luther translates the Bible into German.



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    Aug 06, 2020 1:47 AM GMT
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    Heresy! Martin Luther translates the Bible into German.

    Our problem is that Trump and his cultists translate the Constitution and our laws into Trumpese. Which means the laws mean whatever Trump wants them to mean.
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    Aug 07, 2020 2:16 PM GMT
    metta saidCovid Conspiracies- Q and A With Your Doc...

    "...early in the course of illness, before the virus has had time to multiply beyond control, it has shown to be highly effective, especially when given in combination with the antibiotics azithromycin or doxycycline and the nutritional supplement zinc." (Quote from Newsweek article)

    Contrary to all the smug condescension, there is no known study which refutes Dr. Risch's qualified claim about effectiveness.
    A careful reading of the studies listed reveals that they are either --
    (1) not about early treatment. By the time a patient is hospitalized it may be too late for hydroxychloroquine to be effective,
    and/or
    (2) not about using hydroxychloroquine in combination with Zinc and azithromycin or doxycycline.
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    Aug 08, 2020 6:15 AM GMT
    "Early Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine: a Country-randomized Controlled Trial"

    "The [HCQ] treatment group has 79.1% lower chance of death."


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    https://hcqtrial.com/
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    Aug 08, 2020 6:20 AM GMT
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    metta saidYou Must Not ‘Do Your Own Research’ When It Comes To Science

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2020/07/30/you-must-not-do-your-own-research-when-it-comes-to-science/

    My thought is if you are a scientist it's probably ok right? So I'm gonna just keep doing my own research. You can probably tell I'm laughing.

    What BS. It smacks of the high priests in the middle ages who would let you know what was in the Bible rather than letting you read for yourself.
    Heresy! Martin Luther translates the Bible into German.


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