Forbes: Forests That Survive Megafires Prove Good Management Trumps Climate Change

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    Sep 14, 2020 5:06 PM GMT
    Forests That Survive Megafires Prove Good Management Trumps Climate Change
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2020/09/13/forests-that-survive-megafires-prove-good-management-trumps-climate-change/#601fc3c1305a

    Over the last few days, California Governor Gavin Newsom, other politicians, and the news media have pointed to climate change as the single most important cause of historic, high-intensity “megafires” ripping through California and Oregon.

    “This isn’t about ideology,” tweeted Governor Newsom, adding “What we are experiencing is an existential climate crisis.”

    But California’s leading forest scientists say that fire suppression and the accumulation of wood fuel, not climate change, are what’s made California’s fires more intense.

    “Climate dries the [wood] fuels out and extends the fire season from 4-6 months to nearly year-round but it’s not the cause of the intensity of the fires,” said US Forest Service scientist Malcolm North. “The cause of that is fire suppression and the existing debt of wood fuel.”

    And now a large, well-managed forest appears to have turned a high-intensity fire into a low-intensity one, proving that how forests are managed outweighs the higher temperatures and longer fire season caused by climate change.

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    Sep 15, 2020 5:01 PM GMT
    rkyjockdn saidForests That Survive Megafires Prove Good Management Trumps Climate Change
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2020/09/13/forests-that-survive-megafires-prove-good-management-trumps-climate-change/#601fc3c1305a

    Over the last few days, California Governor Gavin Newsom, other politicians, and the news media have pointed to climate change as the single most important cause of historic, high-intensity “megafires” ripping through California and Oregon.

    “This isn’t about ideology,” tweeted Governor Newsom, adding “What we are experiencing is an existential climate crisis.”

    But California’s leading forest scientists say that fire suppression and the accumulation of wood fuel, not climate change, are what’s made California’s fires more intense.

    “Climate dries the [wood] fuels out and extends the fire season from 4-6 months to nearly year-round but it’s not the cause of the intensity of the fires,” said US Forest Service scientist Malcolm North. “The cause of that is fire suppression and the existing debt of wood fuel.”

    And now a large, well-managed forest appears to have turned a high-intensity fire into a low-intensity one, proving that how forests are managed outweighs the higher temperatures and longer fire season caused by climate change.

    Click link for full story.

    So are you saying then that the fat orange pumpkin’s suggestion that we rake the dead leaves and sweep the forest floors of tens of millions of acres, is what’s needed to keep the fires from occurring? If so, that’s a bunch of bullshit… The wood dries out because the temperature has risen and the fire season stays longer... All due to the climate changing...
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    Sep 15, 2020 6:21 PM GMT
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    rkyjockdn saidForests That Survive Megafires Prove Good Management Trumps Climate Change
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2020/09/13/forests-that-survive-megafires-prove-good-management-trumps-climate-change/#601fc3c1305a

    Over the last few days, California Governor Gavin Newsom, other politicians, and the news media have pointed to climate change as the single most important cause of historic, high-intensity “megafires” ripping through California and Oregon.

    “This isn’t about ideology,” tweeted Governor Newsom, adding “What we are experiencing is an existential climate crisis.”

    But California’s leading forest scientists say that fire suppression and the accumulation of wood fuel, not climate change, are what’s made California’s fires more intense.

    “Climate dries the [wood] fuels out and extends the fire season from 4-6 months to nearly year-round but it’s not the cause of the intensity of the fires,” said US Forest Service scientist Malcolm North. “The cause of that is fire suppression and the existing debt of wood fuel.”

    And now a large, well-managed forest appears to have turned a high-intensity fire into a low-intensity one, proving that how forests are managed outweighs the higher temperatures and longer fire season caused by climate change.

    Click link for full story.

    So are you saying then that the fat orange pumpkin’s suggestion that we rake the dead leaves and sweep the forest floors of tens of millions of acres, is what’s needed to keep the fires from occurring? If so, that’s a bunch of bullshit… The wood dries out because the temperature has risen and the fire season stays longer... All due to the climate changing...


    I say nothing. I defer to the actual scientist:

    “Climate dries the [wood] fuels out and extends the fire season from 4-6 months to nearly year-round but it’s not the cause of the intensity of the fires,” said US Forest Service scientist Malcolm North. “The cause of that is fire suppression and the existing debt of wood fuel.”
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    Sep 15, 2020 6:50 PM GMT
    California is infamous for artificially suppressing fires. Eventually the end result can be disastrous. I'm always surprised people don't know this.

    Trump's sweeping comment actually is somewhat true although non-technical. But of course when speaking to the general public it's best to target the audience at about a 6 grade level.

    Controlled burns are lit for a number of reasons. By ridding a forest of dead leaves, tree limbs, and other debris, a prescribed burn can help prevent a destructive wildfire. Controlled burns can also reduce insect populations and destroy invasive plants. In addition, fire can be rejuvenating. It returns nutrients to the soil in the ashes of vegetation that could otherwise take years to decompose. And after a fire, the additional sunlight and open space in a forest can help young trees and other plants start to grow.
    https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/controlled-burning/

  • carew28

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    Sep 18, 2020 12:02 AM GMT
    I doubt that poor forest-management is responsible for the current disastrous wildfires out west. These fires are occurring simultaneously in California, Oregon, Washington, and western Idaho. They are different from the ordinary forest-fires of former years. Poor forest-management might be responsible for some limited, localized forest-fires. But these fires of the past several years are occurring over widespread areas (western Great Basin, Pacific Northwest, western Rocky Mountains). That indicates a causal-agent far more extensive than just forest-management, and points toward climate-change.