Why Are Republicans So Afraid of Voters?

  • theantitrump

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    Nov 02, 2020 4:35 PM GMT


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/01/opinion/us-voting-rights-republicans.html...across the country, the group most responsible for making voting harder, if not impossible, for millions of Americans is the Republican Party. Republicans have been saying it themselves for ages. “I don’t want everybody to vote,” Paul Weyrich, a leader of the modern conservative movement, told a gathering of religious leaders in 1980. “As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.”

    This strategy has become a central pillar of the G.O.P. platform....
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    Nov 02, 2020 7:31 PM GMT
    Because their message has always been about fear and hatred. They pander to the darkest instincts of humanity.
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    Nov 02, 2020 7:36 PM GMT
  • theantitrump

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    Nov 02, 2020 9:04 PM GMT
    NEDC12 saidBecause their message has always been about fear and hatred. They pander to the darkest instincts of humanity.


    Plus they value ends over means. So all it took was a covid wind to knock the roof off a promised wall built on a substandard foundation

    outdoorsmuscleguy said


    I'd have to look at numbers again but I think I recall the GOP becoming more of a minority not just by party numbers--as I think I recall Dems losing numbers too--but by independent leanings which I believe favor Dems. I'd have to restudy all that to be certain. Tho what we are witnessing goes beyond any of that because this really is a shifting of not just political affiliation but of the very demographics themselves. We certainly are living in interesting times.

  • Nov 03, 2020 12:35 AM GMT
    Because they hate democracy and free elections which it is founded upo. That's the simple answer. The truth is much more complicated.

    We have the distinction of being the only country built on, and bore of, white supremacy. When Conservatives talk of keeping and now returning to the status quo, that is what they are promoting. The GOP once was a diverse party of moderates, conservatives and then liberal Rockefeller Republicans. So too were Democrats equally diverse with moderates wanting gradual change, progressives wanting change more quickly and then the Conservate Liberal Democrats opposing change.

    That all changed when the remaining white supremist took over the GOP. The conservative Southern Democrats left the party over the end of segregation with the granting of civil and voting rights the final straw. This life moderates and progressives in the Democrats and moved the needle left. The GOP instantly became overwhelmingly conservative and move far right. As a resulted, the Sun Belt of the South switched from blue to red.

    As We, the people become increasingly diverse racially, the power gained by the GOP from this take over has waned. Their efforts to suppress voters is the last attempts at keeping power and returning to the status quo. Their fear mongering and disdain for people of color is a fear that once equality is achieved, they will not stop but seekrevenge.on
  • theantitrump

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    Nov 03, 2020 1:59 AM GMT
    Just_released13 saidBecause they hate democracy and free elections which it is founded upo. That's the simple answer. The truth is much more complicated.

    We have the distinction of being the only country built on, and bore of, white supremacy. When Conservatives talk of keeping and now returning to the status quo, that is what they are promoting. The GOP once was a diverse party of moderates, conservatives and then liberal Rockefeller Republicans. So too were Democrats equally diverse with moderates wanting gradual change, progressives wanting change more quickly and then the Conservate Liberal Democrats opposing change.

    That all changed when the remaining white supremist took over the GOP. The conservative Southern Democrats left the party over the end of segregation with the granting of civil and voting rights the final straw. This life moderates and progressives in the Democrats and moved the needle left. The GOP instantly became overwhelmingly conservative and move far right. As a resulted, the Sun Belt of the South switched from blue to red.

    As We, the people become increasingly diverse racially, the power gained by the GOP from this take over has waned. Their efforts to suppress voters is the last attempts at keeping power and returning to the status quo. Their fear mongering and disdain for people of color is a fear that once equality is achieved, they will not stop but seekrevenge.on


    I'm not sure about the built on white supremacy thing, even given the horrors of slavery. And even as slavery was part of the founding, there were plenty of other very good things upon which this country was built.

    How I'd differentiate is in regard to consciousness which is not now what it was. Going back even further, wasn't it Socrates or someone arguing that slavery was a natural state of being. Who could imagine, outside of fetish, thinking that today.

    In Judaism we have this thing called Bar Mitzvah. More or less it marks not adulthood as is often misunderstood, rather when people know right from wrong. So that the parents after Bar Mitzvah are no longer responsible for the child's spiritual misdeeds because the kid has lived long enough to figure that out.

    Cultures also mature. Obviously they figured out slavery was wrong and ended it as should be. But that's not quite the same thing as judging what was going on then by how much better we know ourselves now, by today's standards. So to me white supremacy is very different because even if that's the attitude that allowed for slavery (and not even as tribes enslaved tribes) but exists in a consciousness more fully aware than did slavery, that supremacy is more wrong yet perpetuates regardless.

    In that sense, so-called supremacy is less destructive than slavery per se, but more evil in its endurance

    Muskelprotz saidWhy Are Republicans So Afraid of Voters?

    Not sure who would think that is true.


    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/10/29-ways-trump-and-the-gop-are-making-it-harder-to-vote/

    Blocking mail-in ballot requests
    Blocking universal mail voting
    Requiring an excuse to vote by mail
    Preventing drop boxes
    Throwing out ballots with mismatched signatures
    Requiring a witness signature
    Throwing out “naked ballots”
    Prohibiting the collection of ballots
    Sabotaging the Postal Service
    bla bla fucking bla

  • Apparition

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    Nov 03, 2020 6:29 AM GMT
    you want to know what the republicans have done that is so bad? THIS:

    This is a typical map from an actual democracy. This is toronto Canada, population 3 million or so. Big boxy districts by local neighbourhoods .


    gta-election-map.png


    This is the REPUBLICAN map for virginia that ensures republicans are over represented in spite of vote counts, ensuring they win and win, even though the voting breaks even, but the seat counts massively favour them.

    download.jpeg


    That is not democracy, that is fraud.
  • fitartistsf

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    Nov 03, 2020 5:44 PM GMT
    Muskelprotz saidWhy Are Republicans So Afraid of Voters?

    Not sure who would think that is true. Democrats continually lose at the ballot box.


    Yes because of voter suppression, gerrymandering, court packing, racism, bigotry, etc.… All brought about by the fear of Republicans losing their power, because they know that this country has changed and is more liberal and center/left thinking…
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 03, 2020 6:37 PM GMT
    Apparition saidyou want to know what the republicans have done that is so bad? THIS:

    This is a typical map from an actual democracy. This is toronto Canada, population 3 million or so. Big boxy districts by local neighbourhoods .


    gta-election-map.png


    This is the REPUBLICAN map for virginia that ensures republicans are over represented in spite of vote counts, ensuring they win and win, even though the voting breaks even, but the seat counts massively favour them.

    download.jpeg


    That is not democracy, that is fraud.
    Actually that is North Carolina and not Virginia in your mapicon_wink.gif
  • theantitrump

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    Nov 03, 2020 6:43 PM GMT
    Apparition saidyou want to know what the republicans have done that is so bad? THIS:

    This is a typical map from an actual democracy. This is toronto Canada, population 3 million or so. Big boxy districts by local neighbourhoods .


    gta-election-map.png


    This is the REPUBLICAN map for virginia that ensures republicans are over represented in spite of vote counts, ensuring they win and win, even though the voting breaks even, but the seat counts massively favour them.

    download.jpeg

    That is not democracy, that is fraud.


    That's typical Republican behavior
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    I first became aware of gerrymandering back in the 70s or 80s when GOP either tried or did redistrict to dilute Democratic Broward County with Red Naples by including a 75 mile strip of swamp in between. Then of course was it last year that the Republican Supreme Court denied court challenges to gerrymandering?

    Biden won't like it. I doubt but hope he'd do it. But should the Dems get all of Congress and the WHouse, they ought to play the GOP McConnell Hypocrisy, unpack the court reducing it to one, then repack the fuck out of it. One new justice for each state. Make it truly the Supreme Court of the United States instead of the SCOMcConnell. Then we'll look again at gerrymandering and see how they like it.
  • theantitrump

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    Nov 03, 2020 8:54 PM GMT
    fitartistsf said
    Muskelprotz saidWhy Are Republicans So Afraid of Voters?

    Not sure who would think that is true. Democrats continually lose at the ballot box.


    Yes because of voter suppression, gerrymandering, court packing, racism, bigotry, etc.… All brought about by the fear of Republicans losing their power, because they know that this country has changed and is more liberal and center/left thinking…


    I wonder if that might have to do with their attraction to authoritarianism which ought be repugnant to true Americans.

    The last time the GOP won the White House by popular vote was 2004, 16 freaking years ago. And that sure doesn't look to be trending in their direction.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/27/the-demographic-trends-shaping-american-politics-in-2016-and-beyond/
    FT_16.01.25_NextAmerica_1965_20651.png

    So what happens when you run out of tricks of gerrymandering & voter suppression etc. You send in the con man.
    What happens when America sees through the con and out votes the suppression ...
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    Nov 05, 2020 1:32 PM GMT
    theantitrump said
    fitartistsf said
    Muskelprotz saidWhy Are Republicans So Afraid of Voters?

    Not sure who would think that is true. Democrats continually lose at the ballot box.


    Yes because of voter suppression, gerrymandering, court packing, racism, bigotry, etc.… All brought about by the fear of Republicans losing their power, because they know that this country has changed and is more liberal and center/left thinking…


    I wonder if that might have to do with their attraction to authoritarianism which ought be repugnant to true Americans.

    The last time the GOP won the White House by popular vote was 2004, 16 freaking years ago. And that sure doesn't look to be trending in their direction.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/27/the-demographic-trends-shaping-american-politics-in-2016-and-beyond/
    FT_16.01.25_NextAmerica_1965_20651.png

    So what happens when you run out of tricks of gerrymandering & voter suppression etc. You send in the con man.
    What happens when America sees through the con and out votes the suppression ...


    The electoral college is a ridiculous outdated institution and should be disbanded immediately. Let there be a true representation of one man's vote truly counting as it does in true democracies.
  • outdoorsmuscl...

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    Nov 05, 2020 1:50 PM GMT
    The Electoral College doesn't benefit small states. What it does is even dumber.


    In discussions about abolishing the Electoral College, supporters return time and time again to the plight of small states like Wyoming or Mississippi. "Ditch the Electoral College, and Small States Will Suffer," reads the title of an article by Tara Ross.

    The Electoral College does give disproportionate mathematical weight to small states. But its goofy structure means almost all of them are ignored in presidential politics. If the president was elected by simple majority vote, almost all small states would get more attention than they currently do.

    We can examine this quantitatively. The organization FairVote compiled all the election campaign events in 2020, while the National Popular Vote movement (the one Ross is complaining about above) summarized it in handy form. The 2020 candidates spent almost all their time in a handful of states, most of them medium or large. Two-thirds of campaign events happened in just six states — Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Virginia, and Michigan. If we include Iowa, New Hampshire, Colorado, Nevada, Wisconsin, and Arizona, then those 12 states account for 96 percent of campaign events.

    The nine smallest states (including D.C.), meanwhile, got precisely zero attention. Only the tenth-largest, New Hampshire, got any events at all. In total, 25 states (mostly small and medium-sized) got no events whatsoever. And while it's true the states that got huge attention are mostly on the big side, the very largest states were almost totally ignored as well — California and Texas got one event apiece, and New York none.

    The reason for this is obvious. Almost every state gives all of its electoral votes to whoever wins the state — allowing candidates to take the votes of strongly partisan states for granted. Indeed, it's actively foolish to campaign where you are guaranteed to win or lose — only the swing states matter. It would be a waste of resources for a Democrat to campaign in California or Kentucky, or for a Republican to campaign in New York or D.C.

    Let's imagine how things might play out under a national popular vote alternative. When all votes matter, candidates will spread out their attention to states roughly according to their share of the population (not perfectly of course, given travel time and such, but surely pretty close). We can simply divide up the 399 events by each state's share of the national population.

    By this estimate, the smallest five states — Wyoming, D.C., Vermont, North Dakota, and Alaska — would have gotten one event apiece in 2016. In reality, they got none. Meanwhile, medium-sized states like Oklahoma, Oregon, and Kentucky would have gotten five, five, and six events respectively. In reality, they got none. New York, Texas, and California would have gotten 25, 33, and 48. In reality, as we have seen, only the latter two got even one event.

    It is simply beyond question that the Electoral College does not lead presidential candidates to cater to the interests of small states, or big states. On the contrary, only states that randomly happen to have a close partisan balance get attention. It's just a profoundly stupid way to select who gets to hold the most powerful office in the world.

    https://theweek.com/articles/840362/electoral-college-doesnt-benefit-small-states-what-does-even-dumber