SECRET SERVICE PROTECTION WHILE INCARCERATED?!?


  • Nov 13, 2020 10:52 PM GMT
    With this reality show being cancelled by the Democracy Network, several questions remain. One is secret service protection.

    Regardless of what one thinks of a former president, we protect them for national security purposes. Otherwise they could fall into enemy hands and potentially be forced to reveal matters of national security.

    What though if a former president has say seal indictments which are unsealed upon him leaving office?

    What if they or investigations still pending upon his departure are sufficient to bring charges and he is found criminally liable for either?

    If a former president is sentenced to prison and being held in either state or federal custody, would this be sufficient protection or would he still require a secret service detail?
  • FormerShark

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    Nov 13, 2020 10:55 PM GMT
    I don't think it's an issue with Trump. He's got dementia so badly that he can't remember what he said in a sentence when he finishes one.
  • theantitrump

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    Nov 13, 2020 11:02 PM GMT
    A dear friend of mine suffers dementia. Gets lost mid sentence. I try to keep up his spirits than cry every time I get off the phone. Plus he lost his 90something year old mom to covid which worsened his condition. I'd spoken to his mom just a few months before. Jan 20 can't come soon enough. What a fucking nightmare Trump and his supporters made of this country.

    To the OP's point. It was reported today that more than 130 of his secret service tested covid positive. How many would you like us to surround him with in jail?
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    Nov 13, 2020 11:13 PM GMT
    Biden has signs of dementia, not Trump

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    Nov 13, 2020 11:22 PM GMT
    Bill and Hillary have avoided jail time up to this point- somehow.

    If a former president ever had to do time it would be at some sort of Club Med facility with a secret service detail.

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    Nov 14, 2020 12:29 AM GMT
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    Another account created just around the time theantitrump account was created, long dormant, suddenly activated with "I hate Donald Trump" posts. Hmmmmm.....
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    Nov 14, 2020 3:41 AM GMT
    ObscureAndFuzzy said
    Just_released13 said



    Another account created just around the time theantitrump account was created, long dormant, suddenly activated with "I hate Donald Trump" posts. Hmmmmm.....
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    Nov 14, 2020 4:30 AM GMT
    ObscureAndFuzzy said
    Just_released13 said
    Another account created just around the time theantitrump account was created, long dormant, suddenly activated with "I hate Donald Trump" posts. Hmmmmm.....
    Yeah funny how that works...
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    Nov 14, 2020 6:03 AM GMT
    ObscureAndFuzzy said

    Another account created just around the time theantitrump account was created, long dormant, suddenly activated with "I hate Donald Trump" posts. Hmmmmm.....



    If we've learned anything during "The Trump Era" it's that liberals are sneaky but not particularly smart
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    Nov 14, 2020 11:40 AM GMT
    Hard to run for the presidency in 2024 if one is in jail.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 14, 2020 1:15 PM GMT
    Minky saidBiden has signs of dementia, not Trump

    Trump also suffers from dementia as well as from narcissism. He also rambles on and on making little to no sense.
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    Nov 14, 2020 2:26 PM GMT
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    Just_released13 said



    Another account created just around the time theantitrump account was created, long dormant, suddenly activated with "I hate Donald Trump" posts. Hmmmmm.....


    "Just released" indeed. How appropriate.
    I have that thing on ignore. icon_evil.gif


    Nurse Ratchet is on the job!

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    Nov 14, 2020 3:50 PM GMT
    Just_released13 saidWith this reality show being cancelled by the Democracy Network, several questions remain. One is secret service protection.

    Regardless of what one thinks of a former president, we protect them for national security purposes. Otherwise they could fall into enemy hands and potentially be forced to reveal matters of national security.

    What though if a former president has say seal indictments which are unsealed upon him leaving office?

    What if they or investigations still pending upon his departure are sufficient to bring charges and he is found criminally liable for either?

    If a former president is sentenced to prison and being held in either state or federal custody, would this be sufficient protection or would he still require a secret service detail?


    Administrations tend not to press criminal charges on prior administrations. It establishes a bad precedent -- you don't want someone coming after you when you leave office.
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    Nov 14, 2020 4:21 PM GMT
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    Just_released13 saidWith this reality show being cancelled by the Democracy Network, several questions remain. One is secret service protection.

    Regardless of what one thinks of a former president, we protect them for national security purposes. Otherwise they could fall into enemy hands and potentially be forced to reveal matters of national security.

    What though if a former president has say seal indictments which are unsealed upon him leaving office?

    What if they or investigations still pending upon his departure are sufficient to bring charges and he is found criminally liable for either?

    If a former president is sentenced to prison and being held in either state or federal custody, would this be sufficient protection or would he still require a secret service detail?


    Administrations tend not to press criminal charges on prior administrations. It establishes a bad precedent -- you don't want someone coming after you when you leave office.


    True but that is one of the norms that Trump tossed aside. His attempts failed but that door is now wide open. Further states can still press charges and the state of New York currently has investigations open. Further, a federal pardon wouldn’t get anyone out of a state investigation.
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    Nov 14, 2020 4:38 PM GMT
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    rkyjockdn said
    Just_released13 saidWith this reality show being cancelled by the Democracy Network, several questions remain. One is secret service protection.

    Regardless of what one thinks of a former president, we protect them for national security purposes. Otherwise they could fall into enemy hands and potentially be forced to reveal matters of national security.

    What though if a former president has say seal indictments which are unsealed upon him leaving office?

    What if they or investigations still pending upon his departure are sufficient to bring charges and he is found criminally liable for either?

    If a former president is sentenced to prison and being held in either state or federal custody, would this be sufficient protection or would he still require a secret service detail?


    Administrations tend not to press criminal charges on prior administrations. It establishes a bad precedent -- you don't want someone coming after you when you leave office.


    True but that is one of the norms that Trump tossed aside. His attempts failed but that door is now wide open. Further states can still press charges and the state of New York currently has investigations open. Further, a federal pardon wouldn’t get anyone out of a state investigation.


    Ultimately, state attorney generals and district attorneys are political creatures. Given enough blow-back from Trump supporters, they'll back off. In places like New York where Republicans are practically an endangered species, his attorneys will need to tie things up in court for as long as possible. And eventually, national politics will start impacting NY decisions to prosecute.

    It's not like there's no corruption to find in national politics. The Clinton Foundation was a gigantic money laundering operation. Ditto for the Biden family's positions on boards of various foreign companies and the "loan forgiveness" extended by those companies. Most representatives and senators go to Washington D.C. financially well to do. They come out millionaires.
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    Nov 14, 2020 4:38 PM GMT

    Gimmeabreak said
    Hard to run for the presidency in 2024 if one is in jail.



    Trump has committed no crimes. Anyone who thinks he'll go to prison for anything is simply one of the STUPID people
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    Nov 14, 2020 5:11 PM GMT
    Now a call in Scotland to investigate chump's businesses

    "A group of members of the Scottish Parliament led by the Green Party have renewed their demand that the Scottish government invoke an anti-money laundering law to investigate President Donald Trump’s Scottish golf resorts. The request was first made last spring, but on Thursday, Patrick Harvie, a co-leader of the Scottish Green Party renewed his case in questions he directed to Scotland’s First Minister Nicolea Sturgeon..."

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/11/scottish-mps-once-more-call-for-investigations-into-trumps-businesses/
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    Nov 14, 2020 7:54 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said

    Gimmeabreak said
    Hard to run for the presidency in 2024 if one is in jail.



    Trump has committed no crimes. Anyone who thinks he'll go to prison for anything is simply one of the STUPID people


    Stop taking your ugly pills. It’s affecting your comprehension skills.
  • outdoorsmuscl...

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    Nov 14, 2020 9:52 PM GMT
    TRUMP IS TERRIFIED ABOUT GOING TO PRISON AFTER LOSING THE ELECTION, AS HE SHOULD BE


    Yes, Donald Trump really is going to prison

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    That’s a worrisome thing for a guy who’s committed numerous crimes, and we know this because Trump is reportedly soiling himself in fear over what he might be prosecuted for, and maybe go to jail over, after he leaves office. Per the New York Times:

    It was already clear back when a New York grand jury subpoenaed Donald Trump’s tax returns. It became even more clear this month when the Manhattan District Attorney confirmed in a court filing that Trump was facing criminal charges. It became blindingly clear last night when we learned that the grand jury already has Trump’s incriminating Deutsche Bank financial records: Trump is going to prison He lost the election.
    Considering how deep this grand jury is into the process, the only remaining question is whether it’ll criminally indict Donald Trump before the election, or just after the election. Either way, we’re looking at a scenario where Trump is at most only about seventy days away from being indicted.

    To be clear, these are state charges, which no current or future President can pardon. To be equally clear, these are the kinds of cut and dry financial crimes that nearly always lead to a conviction, because there’s simply no wiggle room for the jury to find any reasonable doubt. Remember when the jury foreperson in the Paul Manafort case was a Trump supporter? She voted to convict him Manafort anyway. There’s no getting out of this for Trump.

    Trump fears not only the state and local investigations already underway but also possible new federal probes.
    Donald Trump has allegedly begun to express concerns to aides about the potential criminal liabilities which may await him in a post-White House life.

    The threats are broad: Trump's businesses are currently under investigation by the New York State attorney general and the Manhattan District Attorney's office for possible tax and financial crimes. He is also worried about the potential for new federal investigations, according to a new report from The New York Times.

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    Trump has reportedly expressed these concerns to advisers "for weeks." Aside from the known state and local probes, The Times did not specify which specific liabilities might have unnerved the president at the federal level.

    The difference is significant, because presidential pardons only apply to federal crimes; they do not extend to state and local levels. The constitutional question of whether Trump would pardon himself before leaving office — which no president has tried — has simmered throughout his term. It even came up during Justice Amy Coney Barrett's confirmation hearings last month.

    Of course this merely means that Donald Trump has even more motivation to find a way stay in office . But motivation doesn’t translate to success, or competence, or having a clue. The election schemes that Trump and his underlings have been running thus far have been a complete joke, suggesting they have nothing better up their sleeve.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/11/donald-trump-post-white-house-prosecutions
    https://www.salon.com/2020/11/02/president-trump-tells-advisers-that-he-fears-prosecution-if-he-loses-the-election-report/

    https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/yep-donald-trump-really-is-going-to-prison-3/31803/

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    Nov 16, 2020 12:19 AM GMT
    Lock Him Up? Here’s The Real Reason Trump Is Afraid Of Leaving The White House

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    Despite having lost the 2020 presidential election, Impeached Piece of Shit Donald Trump is seemingly doing everything in his power to maintain control of the White House.

    Surrounded by Republican political leaders who are bolstering his lies about widespread voter fraud, the president has refused to concede to President-elect Joe Biden, and has kept himself busy by replacing senior Pentagon officials with loyalists.
    While the Impeached Piece of Shit's apparent attempt to shore up his influence with military leaders is certainly dangerous, few experts believe he is likely to stage an actual coup. Instead, consensus is that Trump will be leaving office one way or another and that even he knows that. What Trump also knows, though — and why he is perhaps so desperately clinging to the fantasy that he won — is that, when he does leave, he could face prison time. And it's that risk of prosecution looming over him that is making Trump tighten his iron grip on the presidency.


    Indeed, once the Low Life Scum leaves office on January 20, he will be vulnerable to a dozen legal investigations and civil suits involving his business practices, as well as his taxes. He is under investigation for insurance fraud, criminal tax evasion, grand larceny, and a scheme to defraud, according to The New York Times. He could also face legal trouble for campaign finance violations and bribery. Not only does Trump face a number of legal battles, he also owes millions of dollars in income taxes, real estate debts, and other loans, The New Yorker reports. “It’s the office of the Presidency that’s keeping him from prison and the poorhouse,” Yale history professor Timothy Snyder told the outlet.

    If Trump does end up in prison as a result of his various civil and criminal legal transgressions, he will join the ranks of several of his former associates who have been charged or imprisoned under his administration.
    Six of the president’s other allies (at one time or another) — his former lawyer, Michael Cohen; former Trump campaign chairman, Paul Manafort; former campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos; Trump adviser, Roger Stone; and Manafort associates, Alex van der Zwaan and Rick Gates — faced sentences ranging from 45 days in jail to seven-and-a-half years in prison resulting from special prosecutor Robert Mueller’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election. Trump’s first national security adviser Michael Flynn is awaiting sentencing in the same investigation.
    Then, too, former Trump campaign managers Steve Bannon and Corey Lewandowski were, respectively, indicted with defrauding donors of a “We Build the Wall” fundraiser, and charged with misdemeanor battery.

    He could face legal action for his federal, criminal, and civil crimes once he leaves office and is no longer afforded the protections of immunity from prosecution that are granted to the president. When Mueller offered his ruling in the Russia investigation, former federal prosecutors stated that Trump’s conduct would “result in multiple felony charges for obstruction of justice.” Meanwhile, Vice President-elect Kamala Harris stated in 2019 that, if elected president, it was her belief that the Justice Department “would have no choice and that they should” pursue charges of obstruction against Trump. And what do you know, the California Senator will make her way to the White House early next year.

    It's certainly interesting that, after having spent the last several years threatening his political opponents with jail time, and encouraging his followers to chant "Lock Her Up" about Hillary Clinton, Trump might be facing prison right now. Trump sure seems scared about the prospect. In recent weeks, the president has reportedly expressed his concerns over ongoing investigations and the potential for new ones to his advisers, The New York Times reports. Perhaps that’s why he’s spent the last three years asking aides whether he could preemptively pardon himself and his family. Irony sure can be sweet.

    https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2020/11/10167475/will-trump-go-to-jail-after-presidency-lawsuits-2021

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  • Nov 22, 2020 12:54 AM GMT
    ObscureAndFuzzy said
    Just_released13 said



    Another account created just around the time theantitrump account was created, long dormant, suddenly activated with "I hate Donald Trump" posts. Hmmmmm.....


    I've been an verified, active member since 2017. Not that facts or truth obviously matter, while this is my first post I've contributed to several over the years. This is the problem with the right, they are programmed to attack and switch focus rather than offer substanitive debate. Hmmm indeed.

  • Nov 22, 2020 1:03 AM GMT
    Muskelprotz said
    ObscureAndFuzzy said
    Just_released13 said
    Another account created just around the time theantitrump account was created, long dormant, suddenly activated with "I hate Donald Trump" posts. Hmmmmm.....
    Yeah funny how that works...


    I've been an verified, active member since 2017. Not that facts or truth obviously matter, while this is my first post I've contributed to several over the years. This is the problem with the right, they are programmed to attack and switch focus rather than offer substanitive debate. It would be funny if not so sad.

  • Nov 22, 2020 1:46 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    ObscureAndFuzzy said

    Another account created just around the time theantitrump account was created, long dormant, suddenly activated with "I hate Donald Trump" posts. Hmmmmm.....



    If we've learned anything during "The Trump Era" it's that liberals are sneaky but not particularly smart


    The true lesson learn from 'the Trump era' is how little integrity and highly hypocritical the truth impaired the Right is. It's why the see schemes and buy into ludicrous conspiracies. Case in point, their own appointed judges have had to throw out virtually every frivolous lawsuit alleging voter fraud due to lack of any credible evidence and being based solely on suspicion and double hearsay "facts". Yet they demonstrate continued distain for democracy by continuing to offer repeatedly disproved conspiracies just because their demagogue was out voted. They allege themselves patriots but with all legal challenges gone they work to overturn a democratic majority with process safeguards in an attempt to re-appoint a candidate who has never gotten a plurality of votes, much less a democratic majority. They hypocritically call progressives snowflakes while crying foul whenever things don't go their way and allege others to be sneaky as they slither around the issue. The truly sad part is how they so easily "see" the fault of the otherside but are deaf and dumb as to their own misgivings.