My Experience in DC This Week At The Historic #StopTheSteal March For Trump

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    Jan 09, 2021 4:20 PM GMT
    Hey Guys -

    So I returned to Arizona late last night from an experience unlike anything I could have ever possibly imagined I was going to. I will post below a "Point of Clarification" that I posted to my Facebook friends that you can read if you're interested -- it basically outlines the day of Wednesday, January 6th -- from MY perspective on the ground and in the thick of things. Not surprisingly, "the TRUE story" is nothing at all like the "Trump Supporters Are Terrorists Who Sieged the Nation's Capitol In An Act Of Sedition" storyline the Fake News media started spinning practically from the beginning.

    First of all...Let's start with HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? I was not there at the Capitol when the barrier was first breached and police were overrun, because when that happened President Trump was just wrapping up his speech outside the White House which was where I was along with what seemed to be a million other people. Once the speech ended, this mass of humanity started to move toward Pennsylvania Avenue and down toward the Capitol Building. My friend, Mary, and I were freezing cold, as we had been out there for over 4 hours, so we decided to stop by our hotel to warm up and watch the Capitol stuff on TV and get some lunch. We were SHOCKED when we turned on the TV and saw what was happening at the Capitol. We seriously couldn't believe our eyes. This is certainly not what had been planned, not at all what we had signed up for, and certainly not what President Trump would ever endorse. Our first clue that something was not what was being portrayed by the live narrative on Fox News we had on was that these thugs were battling with police and punching police. I cannot stress enough -- THESE WERE NOT TRUMP SUPPORTERS! One common thread that runs through every Trump supporter is our love, respect, and appreciation for the police and anyone in law enforcement. The scene playing out on the TV simply made no sense at all. We quickly regrouped, put our layers of clothes back on, and headed out to see for ourselves what the hell was going on...

    My Facebook post...
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    Jan 09, 2021 4:21 PM GMT
    Point of Clarification:

    Many of you here (or other friends of mine) have emailed or texted me privately or posted here in this thread regarding my participation in the #StopTheSteal March in Washington DC on January 6th.

    Let me be clear, I traveled to Washington DC from Arizona, as hundreds of thousands of other patriotic Americans did from around the country and many other parts of the world. I went to take part in a “Peaceful Protest” to express my disappointment and utter dismay shared with at least 73 million fellow Americans that any irregularities and “potential” fraud in vote counting (and collecting) were not thoroughly investigated and audited in a fair and transparent way before all “legal” votes were certified by our Congress. This should be a desire shared by people of all political stripes. Only one of our political leaders called for a full audit of all “Legal” votes. That was the leader I was in Washington DC to support.

    As for the unfortunate breach and takeover of our nation’s Capitol Building, something that caught all of us by surprise who were there, let me try and give you some perspective from someone who was there on the ground and in the thick of much of the events throughout the day. At no time, surrounded by nearly 1 million people, did I see so much as a fist fly. I did not witness a single act of violence or aggression of any kind from 9:00am when we arrived at the park outside The White House to hear President Trump’s speech, or after it ended at around 1:00pm when we headed back to the hotel. At no time during President Trump’s speech did the President suggest (or even hint) to anyone to march down to the Capitol, break down barriers, and take over the building. To the best of my knowledge, the President has suggested no such thing via a Tweet either. I invite anyone to read the text of the President’s speech and see this for yourself.

    When we arrived back at the hotel, we turned on the TV and we were confused as to what we were seeing taking place at the Capitol. You would have thought they were about to burn the building down or blow it up. I even had friends calling me and texting me from Arizona asking, “Are you okay?” and “Stay inside, it’s not safe out there”. How could this be? How did things seemingly go so south so fast? We were not buying any of what the fake news was selling. We headed back out to Pennsylvania Avenue to see for ourselves, and head toward the Capitol. Again, at no time, not walking to the Capitol, or once we arrived at the Capitol, did we see anything that even remotely resembled a “violent protest”. There were Trump supporters carrying a variety of colorful flags and signs and other curious onlookers roaming around the outside of the building, on the various tiers of the building, and apparently some went inside — though I could not see this from my vantage point at the foot of the Capitol steps -- but no one was being violent…I saw nothing being broken…no fighting with police…nothing that resembled anything but a “peaceful protest”. The police that I did see were practically waving people through, and the police that I could not see were unbelievably aggressive (which we learned later from videos of various instances). Suddenly, the area where I was standing got tear-gased. Never in my life did I ever dream that I would ever be in a situation in which I would experience anything like tear-gas. Let me tell you…It’s NOT fun. Once I could actually see and breathe I made myself down to the street and observed from far enough away that I felt safe --- from the police. Note: This DC Police aggression was something we did not see from them in Washington DC when Antifa and BLM were burning down parts of the city several summers ago — but that’s another discussion for another day. It should be also noted that I am not aware of any Trump supporters starting any fires anywhere around Washington D.C., or at the Capitol Building, on January 6th. But I did hear an overwrought Senator Schumer last night after the senate reconvened compare the incident to Pearl Harbor, while another compared it to the British invasion. This is the world of Fake News and packaged to market TV news storylines we live in today, but nothing could be further from the truth.

    Now, some of you may say “But they were occupying the building”…”They had no business up there”…”It's closed to the public”….or whatever. But let’s say you’re a person from say Iowa who traveled all the way to DC for this event, and you’d never been to DC before, much less the Capitol Building...You wonder onto the Capitol grounds following thousands of other people not knowing that you can’t just do that. While I was there, I saw no barriers or NO TRESPASSING signs, nor did I see any police trying to keep anyone from proceeding forward…In fact, the police I did see were doing everything short of waving people through in an orderly fashion. It almost felt like OPEN HOUSE at the nation’s Capitol. I’m not making light of it…merely pointing out that, to many who were present, it was just a peaceful protest meant to send a message to Congress, certainly nothing meant to cause physical harm to any person or any property. Unfortunately, it only takes a few *bad actors* within a massive crowd of that size to potentially turn an otherwise peaceful demonstration into something it was certainly never intended to be.

    Having said all that, I will close with saying that I, along with millions of other Trump supporters, are saddened that what was a beautiful and uplifting day filled with Americans of all backgrounds expressing their 1st amendment right while also showing their love of country, God and, yes, their President, ended on such a sour note. Our heart breaks for the young woman —a 14-year veteran — who was shot and killed by Capitol police inside the Capitol. No one deserved to lose their life, and I am sure that how this came to be will be investigated, as it should be, in the days and weeks ahead.

    Happy New Year to all, and…

    God bless,

    Todd
  • bigpex

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    Jan 09, 2021 4:59 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidPoint of Clarification:

    Many of you here (or other friends of mine) have emailed or texted me privately or posted here in this thread regarding my participation in the #StopTheSteal March in Washington DC on January 6th.

    Let me be clear, I traveled to Washington DC from Arizona, as hundreds of thousands of other patriotic Americans did from around the country and many other parts of the world. I went to take part in a “Peaceful Protest” to express my disappointment and utter dismay shared with at least 73 million fellow Americans that any irregularities and “potential” fraud in vote counting (and collecting) were not thoroughly investigated and audited in a fair and transparent way before all “legal” votes were certified by our Congress. This should be a desire shared by people of all political stripes. Only one of our political leaders called for a full audit of all “Legal” votes. That was the leader I was in Washington DC to support.

    As for the unfortunate breach and takeover of our nation’s Capitol Building, something that caught all of us by surprise who were there, let me try and give you some perspective from someone who was there on the ground and in the thick of much of the events throughout the day. At no time, surrounded by nearly 1 million people, did I see so much as a fist fly. I did not witness a single act of violence or aggression of any kind from 9:00am when we arrived at the park outside The White House to hear President Trump’s speech, or after it ended at around 1:00pm when we headed back to the hotel. At no time during President Trump’s speech did the President suggest (or even hint) to anyone to march down to the Capitol, break down barriers, and take over the building. To the best of my knowledge, the President has suggested no such thing via a Tweet either. I invite anyone to read the text of the President’s speech and see this for yourself.

    When we arrived back at the hotel, we turned on the TV and we were confused as to what we were seeing taking place at the Capitol. You would have thought they were about to burn the building down or blow it up. I even had friends calling me and texting me from Arizona asking, “Are you okay?” and “Stay inside, it’s not safe out there”. How could this be? How did things seemingly go so south so fast? We were not buying any of what the fake news was selling. We headed back out to Pennsylvania Avenue to see for ourselves, and head toward the Capitol. Again, at no time, not walking to the Capitol, or once we arrived at the Capitol, did we see anything that even remotely resembled a “violent protest”. There were Trump supporters carrying a variety of colorful flags and signs and other curious onlookers roaming around the outside of the building, on the various tiers of the building, and apparently some went inside — though I could not see this from my vantage point at the foot of the Capitol steps -- but no one was being violent…I saw nothing being broken…no fighting with police…nothing that resembled anything but a “peaceful protest”. The police that I did see were practically waving people through, and the police that I could not see were unbelievably aggressive (which we learned later from videos of various instances). Suddenly, the area where I was standing got tear-gased. Never in my life did I ever dream that I would ever be in a situation in which I would experience anything like tear-gas. Let me tell you…It’s NOT fun. Once I could actually see and breathe I made myself down to the street and observed from far enough away that I felt safe --- from the police. Note: This DC Police aggression was something we did not see from them in Washington DC when Antifa and BLM were burning down parts of the city several summers ago — but that’s another discussion for another day. It should be also noted that I am not aware of any Trump supporters starting any fires anywhere around Washington D.C., or at the Capitol Building, on January 6th. But I did hear an overwrought Senator Schumer last night after the senate reconvened compare the incident to Pearl Harbor, while another compared it to the British invasion. This is the world of Fake News and packaged to market TV news storylines we live in today, but nothing could be further from the truth.

    Now, some of you may say “But they were occupying the building”…”They had no business up there”…”It's closed to the public”….or whatever. But let’s say you’re a person from say Iowa who traveled all the way to DC for this event, and you’d never been to DC before, much less the Capitol Building...You wonder onto the Capitol grounds following thousands of other people not knowing that you can’t just do that. While I was there, I saw no barriers or NO TRESPASSING signs, nor did I see any police trying to keep anyone from proceeding forward…In fact, the police I did see were doing everything short of waving people through in an orderly fashion. It almost felt like OPEN HOUSE at the nation’s Capitol. I’m not making light of it…merely pointing out that, to many who were present, it was just a peaceful protest meant to send a message to Congress, certainly nothing meant to cause physical harm to any person or any property. Unfortunately, it only takes a few *bad actors* within a massive crowd of that size to potentially turn an otherwise peaceful demonstration into something it was certainly never intended to be.

    Having said all that, I will close with saying that I, along with millions of other Trump supporters, are saddened that what was a beautiful and uplifting day filled with Americans of all backgrounds expressing their 1st amendment right while also showing their love of country, God and, yes, their President, ended on such a sour note. Our heart breaks for the young woman —a 14-year veteran — who was shot and killed by Capitol police inside the Capitol. No one deserved to lose their life, and I am sure that how this came to be will be investigated, as it should be, in the days and weeks ahead.

    Happy New Year to all, and…

    God bless,

    Todd

    You gotta be kidding us!!! You expect us not believe our own eyes .This shit had been planned for weeks .They have been talking about it on talk radio since december .You and that stupid woman went there looking for trouble and you got it .. just like that dumb kid that went to Kenosha. Then come back here saying "I didn't think it would get out of hand ". What the hell did you think was going to happen?
    Disgusting!!!
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    Jan 09, 2021 5:10 PM GMT
    This was a planned insurrection pure and simple. You all went there to try to stop the certification by any means necessary and if that meant violence then you all were down.
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    Jan 09, 2021 5:30 PM GMT
    I suppose this could go in a dictionary under the definition of SHEEP:

    CuriousSheepAZ said
    let’s say you’re a person from say Iowa who traveled all the way to DC for this event, and you’d never been to DC before, much less the Capitol Building...You wonder onto the Capitol grounds following thousands of other people not knowing that you can’t just do that. While I was there, I saw no barriers or NO TRESPASSING signs, nor did I see any police trying to keep anyone from proceeding forward…In fact, the police I did see were doing everything short of waving people through in an orderly fashion. It almost felt like OPEN HOUSE at the nation’s Capitol. I’m not making light of it…merely pointing out that, to many who were present, it was just a peaceful protest meant to send a message to Congress

    Things are sure to get "wild" when the sheep are in turn used as PAWNS.

    A few years ago I flew through Paris and arranged to be there for a few days of sightseeing. Unfortunatley due to flight/connection delays, my time there was reduced by about 24 hours. That was my time to go to the Louvre. Now it was closed. If only someone had smashed through the front door, I could have followed them in. There weren't any "no trespassing signs" and I just wanted to take a selfie with the Mona Lisa. Then I could wander over to the cafe and, absent signs saying "no self service", I could make myself a hot chocolate and enjoy a croissont. Can you imagine the outrage if the police then tear-gassed little ol' me while I was peacefully enjoying my snack? The outrage!
  • theantitrump

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    Jan 09, 2021 5:45 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ: This Week At The Historic #StopTheSteal March For Trump

    CuriousJockAZ, HISTORIC FUCK YOU. #STOPBEINGSUCHASCUMBAG
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    Jan 09, 2021 8:42 PM GMT
    bigpex said
    You gotta be kidding us!!! You expect us not believe our own eyes .This shit had been planned for weeks .They have been talking about it on talk radio since december .You and that stupid woman went there looking for trouble and you got it .. just like that dumb kid that went to Kenosha. Then come back here saying "I didn't think it would get out of hand ". What the hell did you think was going to happen?
    Disgusting!!!



    Honest to God, some of you people are just so lacking in any intelligence whatsoever. IF what you say is true...that it's been planned for weeks...and it's been on talk radio since December (funny, I never heard a word about an occupation of our nations's Capitol) but for arguments sake, let's say what you're claiming is true --- Then WHY, with the Vice President present, not to mention a full Congress in session, and they are taking a vote of monumental importance -- AND a Trump rally going on at the opposite end of Pennsylvania Avenue at The White House with close to 1 million people set to head toward the Capitol, were there not more security? I mean, C'mon, think about it. Either it's frightening that one of the most protected buildings on the planet can be breached in a matter of a few minutes, OR they let the protesters willingly pass through. I can point out plenty of video of protesters calmly entering the Capitol building while police stood down and allowed them through. WHY? More importantly, WHO ordered them to stand down --- and WHY?
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    Jan 09, 2021 8:48 PM GMT
    James_Thunder_Early said
    This was a planned insurrection pure and simple. You all went there to try to stop the certification by any means necessary and if that meant violence then you all were down.



    All I can tell you is that I am not a violent person and I do not condone any violence either. I had no idea what took place at the Capitol was going to happen. In fact, after Trump's speech, we went back to the hotel and had no intention of even going to the Capitol. Then we turned on the TV and saw what was happening and went there to see for ourselves because we honestly couldn't believe our eyes.
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    Jan 09, 2021 8:57 PM GMT
    The Forever Impeached Terrorist Low Life Scum Donald Trump Must be held Accountable

















  • PINCE

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    Jan 09, 2021 9:02 PM GMT
    This Mary Trump person gives me the creeps
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    Jan 09, 2021 9:23 PM GMT
    Thanks for the update. And the hatemongering responses above are exactly what I expected you would get. Conservatives are being silenced on social media. Parler has been removed from both Google's and Apple's application stores. Both Facebook and Twitter are engaging in purges of their conservative user base. I fully expect smaller social media sites to follow suit.

    China and the Soviet Union used the power of the state to suppress dissent and mold public opinion. In the USA, it's the corporate social and mainstream media that's attempting to de-platform competing points of view.
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    Jan 09, 2021 9:34 PM GMT
    This RJ OP is a traitor to our country. I hope the FBI will soon be knocking on his door.

    My immediate concern is for RealJock, for harboring such people, and giving them an outlet for their treason. RJ's owners should consider the consequences to this site, in allowing this sedition to go unchecked.
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    Jan 09, 2021 9:42 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidThis RJ OP is a traitor to our country. I hope the FBI will soon be knocking on his door.

    My immediate concern is for RealJock, for harboring such people, and giving them an outlet for their treason. RJ's owners should consider the consequences to this site, in allowing this sedition to go unchecked.


    From my post above: "Both Facebook and Twitter are engaging in purges of their conservative user base. I fully expect smaller social media sites to follow suit."

    My point is confirmed. And I thought you were better than this. Freedom of thought and freedom expression is permissible only if it agrees with your opinions. These are 1984 level Orwellian tactics.
  • bigpex

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    Jan 09, 2021 10:23 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    bigpex said
    You gotta be kidding us!!! You expect us not believe our own eyes .This shit had been planned for weeks .They have been talking about it on talk radio since december .You and that stupid woman went there looking for trouble and you got it .. just like that dumb kid that went to Kenosha. Then come back here saying "I didn't think it would get out of hand ". What the hell did you think was going to happen?
    Disgusting!!!



    Honest to God, some of you people are just so lacking in any intelligence whatsoever. IF what you say is true...that it's been planned for weeks...and it's been on talk radio since December (funny, I never heard a word about an occupation of our nations's Capitol) but for arguments sake, let's say what you're claiming is true --- Then WHY, with the Vice President present, not to mention a full Congress in session, and they are taking a vote of monumental importance -- AND a Trump rally going on at the opposite end of Pennsylvania Avenue at The White House with close to 1 million people set to head toward the Capitol, were there not more security? I mean, C'mon, think about it. Either it's frightening that one of the most protected buildings on the planet can be breached in a matter of a few minutes, OR they let the protesters willingly pass through. I can point out plenty of video of protesters calmly entering the Capitol building while police stood down and allowed them through. WHY? More importantly, WHO ordered them to stand down --- and WHY?


    Man how STUPID can YOU be? I ask once more"What the hell did you think was going to happen?"

    Also they did not willingly let protesters pass through.


    Quote:“They definitely didn’t just open the barriers, the pro-Trump rioters made a fist like they were going to punch the cops, which is why I started recording, then they backed off the barricades. Completely outnumbered, there wouldn’t have been any point in fighting,” DiPaolo said.

    https://heavy.com/news/did-capitol-police-let-protesters-in/
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    Jan 09, 2021 10:32 PM GMT
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    This RJ OP is a traitor to our country. I hope the FBI will soon be knocking on his door.

    My immediate concern is for RealJock, for harboring such people, and giving them an outlet for their treason. RJ's owners should consider the consequences to this site, in allowing this sedition to go unchecked.



    Is there anything more unhinged than an RJ liberal? Sheeeeesh! Now going to a rally is traitorous? Got it!

    #GodGiveMeStrength
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    Jan 09, 2021 10:50 PM GMT
    As a long time member and somewhat neutral on
    the political spectrum I will say I'm glad you've returned home
    safe and sound. I knew it would be dicy in DC., not to mention cold.
    Could we can all take a moment to reflect on our personal liberties and values
    so we can move forward??? It's over!! Now can we finally be friendly around here?

    A sincere and sunny Aloha.
  • PINCE

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    Jan 09, 2021 10:54 PM GMT
    I had 4 friends from LA who went to DC for the event. They said it was one of the most amazing things they had ever attended and had a great time. They didn't know anything about the capitol incident until they saw it on the news that night.
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    Jan 09, 2021 11:09 PM GMT
    rkyjockdn saidThanks for the update. And the hatemongering responses above are exactly what I expected you would get. Conservatives are being silenced on social media. Parler has been removed from both Google's and Apple's application stores. Both Facebook and Twitter are engaging in purges of their conservative user base. I fully expect smaller social media sites to follow suit.

    China and the Soviet Union used the power of the state to suppress dissent and mold public opinion. In the USA, it's the corporate social and mainstream media that's attempting to de-platform competing points of view.


    You seem to have a very anti-conservative bent. Oh, the irony.

    Conservatism is about limited government, with the invisible hand of the free market determining who stays and who goes. One would think a conservative like you and CuriousJockAZ would support the corporate social and mainstream media's ability to de-platform competing views. After all, that's their right. Now, if the government were attempting to stymie your voice, that would be an issue--an infringement of your 1st Amendment.

    But we're not talking about the government, are we?

    Twitter, Apple, Google, etc., are private entities, and as such, they have the FREEDOM (remember that word?) to choose which views they want to censor.
  • creature

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    Jan 09, 2021 11:15 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ claims that the sedition we all saw on tv made no sense at all. However, on the ground were a noose attached to a wooden beam, as well as a guillotine. If those weren't signs of the violence to come, I don't know what is.
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    Jan 09, 2021 11:57 PM GMT
    Glad to hear that you weren't involved in the melee, and that you got safely back.

    That scene at the Capitol building must have been one hell of an expensive production - just paying for the hundreds of actors and extras, let alone the special effects and fight coordianators. Whoever was putting on the show, since it wasn't Trumpists, it looked incredibly real.

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    That scene at the Capitol building must have been one hell of an expensive production - just paying for the hundreds of actors and extras, let alone the special effects and fight coordianators. Whoever was putting on the show, since it wasn't Trumpists...

    Agreed, and too funny. "I attended the 'rally' (aka the riot) outside and had nothing to do with the destruction inside the Capitol." icon_rolleyes.gif

    Until your pic shows up online. And in any case those who attended were encouraging the ones who did invade the Capitol and trashed it. Your guilt is established by your presence and your endorsement of what transpired.
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    Jan 10, 2021 12:27 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidThis RJ OP is a traitor to our country. I hope the FBI will soon be knocking on his door.

    My immediate concern is for RealJock, for harboring such people, and giving them an outlet for their treason. RJ's owners should consider the consequences to this site, in allowing this sedition to go unchecked.


    Traitor, treason, sedition. What are you babbling on about?

    And by the way, you left out the word "coup" which you're supposed to be parroting too.
  • theantitrump

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    Jan 10, 2021 2:23 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    ... God bless,


    So you want people to believe that while you're going on and on about something's going to happen, something big, you liberals should be there too to prove how much you believe in your candidate, not just to add to the explosive mix, while you're prepping for your trip, while you're reading travel pamphlets & blogs of your ilk, that you had no idea this was insurrection. And yet even now instead of showing remorse outside of, aw, how sad one of our insurrectionists died, still you brag about being part of something "historic". You are either stupid as fuck, full of shit, or you are a liar, pick one.

    https://www.wivb.com/news/world/pope-francis-astonished-by-mob-attack-on-us-capitol/
    “in the most mature reality, there is always something that doesn’t work, people who take a path against the community, against democracy and against the common good.”


  • mwolverine

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    Jan 10, 2021 4:25 AM GMT
    Reviewing what CuriousJockAZ posted in his thread from Dec 20th:

    Back to DC I Go On January 6th...Trump Says "It Will Be Wild"
    https://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4572033

    Dec 20:
    CuriousJockAZ said
    there are weeks in which decades happen.
    Buckle Up, Guys!

    Jan 5:
    CuriousJockAZ said
    It. Will. Be. Wild.

    Now he claims: Who knew it was going to be "wild" and that everyone had to "buckle up"?
    It was just a peaceful proteset, nothing else.
  • mwolverine

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    Jan 10, 2021 4:27 AM GMT
    Note also this on Jan 5:

    CuriousJockAZ said
    You all keep asking "Where's The Evidence" of the steal?

    Well...Tune In...and Stay Tuned...As you're about to find out....If you watch the evidence being presented with an OPEN MIND, perhaps you'll learn things the Fake News has not been telling you.

    Nope, no evidence (let alone new evidence) was unveiled.
    There was none. Not then, not all along.

    Todd was duped every step of the way - and he still doesn't see it.

    N + 1 Lies
    https://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4562540