Animal Rights & Spirituality?

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    Nov 03, 2007 2:54 AM GMT
    to you chungo, they are dumb to you.

    to me and to others they are not. i understand and respect you stance. Shouldnt you too, respect ours?
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    Nov 03, 2007 2:55 AM GMT
    and its a thread about animal rights that is headed by vegan propaganda media. how is that not about eating meat
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    Nov 03, 2007 2:57 AM GMT
    I have also run with bulls and participated in spanish traditions that involve putting torches on bulls horns and letting them run through the street. are you also saying that I should foresake my heritage?
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    Nov 03, 2007 2:58 AM GMT
    Chungo44If health, nutrition, ethics, are all combined in spirituality then how can you start a topic that is meant to be just about spirituality. there is a flaw in your statement.




    I'm not sure....isn't that what you were saying to hippie? Just trying to figure out the flip flopping goin on here. Like I'm watching the Republican Debate.
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    Nov 03, 2007 2:59 AM GMT
    is the vegan propaganda movement connected with the homosexual agenda by any chance?
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:01 AM GMT
    I was pointing out that he left the agenda of his own thread claiming that all were part of one. there is no flip flop in my statements but rather in his.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:01 AM GMT
    I hope you arn't directing that towards me lol....cause i dont know what your talking about....but....heritage does have it's flaws...I mean, people used to hang in the square and also couldnt get married unless consulted by the king and consumation had to happen without flesh touching....heritage is bound to change as the psychological make up of a society morphs with time.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:03 AM GMT
    but now it's going into yours isn't it (flip-flop)?...wait, better to go in this direction...what do YOU wish to discuss in the thread...would you like all topics fused into one heading? no matter what hippie originally stated, what is it you'd like.....and my goodness...you seem to do no wrong heh....no tyra esteem coaching for you! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:04 AM GMT
    I was directing it as an open comment on animal rights
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:09 AM GMT
    oh..and everything is propaganda...we all do what we can to get an issue recognized. But just because an issue isn't exactly something you support or believe in, does not in turn negate the fact that there is animal cruelty in the meat packing industry. it's not a lie, it's true...it happens, you can't deny it. i mean...ya know? Propaganda can hold truth, in this case, there is plenty of video footage, regardless who it comes from.

    do you agree? i dont see how you can't...but I'm sure you'll try.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:15 AM GMT
    Propaganda in this case is the term fools use to try and justify their cause.

    Regardless of any footage or whatnot animals are food. Why should you, I, or anyone care about the treatment of animals raised for eating?

    Now animals raised for the purpose as domestic pets are different. Its right to protect dogs and cats from abusive owners. But thats about it. If we needed to eat a dog to survive then we eat it.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:19 AM GMT
    but you don't need meat to survive...if that were the case all veggies would have died of malnutrition.

    and trance careful what you say....no one ever says their attempts to recognize an issue is propaganda, it is only used in rebuttle from the opposing camp, like for example...chungo (who I guess you consider a fool?) says Peta pushes their propaganda in their protests and all of that. And for us we say that the "Got Milk" ads are propaganda for the dairy industry (though to each party they would consider it demonstrations or advertising)

    so...no....people don't refer to their issue awareness as propaganda................
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:23 AM GMT
    Propaganda is just what the links from hippie are. Propaganda to support a vegan lifestyle. You can dress it up all you want with ethics and pics of kittens but it doesn't change the fact your evidence is no more compelling than a Moore film like Sicko.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:25 AM GMT
    I dont deny that both sides use propaganda, I also don't deny that there is not some cruelty in farming, I have openly conceded that fact.

    Would I consider the got milk ad to be propaganda no. would i consider the ads that tout drinking milk can help you loose weight propaganda on some levels yes. everyone uses propaganda thats a given, I actually took a college course entirely devoted to propaganda years ago.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:26 AM GMT
    i thought sicko was a great film, trance do you also believe homosexuals can be coverted? or have you bought into the homosexual agenda?
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:29 AM GMT
    Would that be converted?

    Don't attack me on something not relating to the thread.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:29 AM GMT
    trance....I know the definition....but when you stated:

    TrancePropaganda in this case is the term fools use to try and justify their cause.


    you were using it in the wrong context....I was merely correcting you.

    Again, no one would say, "WE ARE USING PROPAGANDA TO JUSTIFY OUR CAUSE" ... it would be more like "THEY ARE USING PROPAGANDA TO JUSTIFY THEIR CAUSE".

    do you see the difference? I wouldn't want you looking foolish...apparntly cause, this thread is from "fools"..if i'm to quote you correctly.

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    Nov 03, 2007 3:35 AM GMT
    Fuck it we are all animals in the long run. I do eat meat but it kind of does make me feel sick. I tried veal once and as soon as i was told what it was i felt sosick i threw up.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:39 AM GMT
    slayerstrppd03do you see the difference? I wouldn't want you looking foolish...apparntly cause, this thread is from "fools"..if i'm to quote you correctly.


    You asked for opinions. And I gave mine. Its foolish to think we should give rights to animals and extend that into giving up meat.

    Its foolish because the reasoning the animal supporter uses is the whole "look into the eyes of the cute kitty"
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:42 AM GMT
    um....please do not change the subject, i asked if you saw the difference of the use of the word propaganda...I'll make it even easier for you:



    YES




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    no just cut and paste icon_eek.gificon_biggrin.gif
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:44 AM GMT
    oh and trance....I didn't ask for opinions....this isn't my forum

    my screen name is

    SLAYERSTRPPD03

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    HIPPIE4LYFE

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    Nov 03, 2007 3:52 AM GMT
    You call it ethics and reason. I call it propaganda.

    By supporting the thread author without stating your own opinions then your just as guilty of spreading the BS.

    Or in your case I suspect just spreading the dramatics for the hell of it.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:55 AM GMT
    Trance-

    what the hell are you talking about? are you having a phantom conversation with someone lol? you are making no sense. you keep trying to spin something onto me cause you had the upper hand in the last thread and right now your just making no sense
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:57 AM GMT
    I'm guessing its miscommunication over the use a word.

    If these threads are just your right to express an opinon then why refer to me as having the upper hand.

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    Nov 03, 2007 4:01 AM GMT
    The ability to convey love compassion and a true respect for the animals in which we use as food needs to be applied. Animals are abused in all aspects of humanity's crule nature. Many humans have come to believe that that which they are not in direct contact with will not effect them. A terible asumption indeed. The emotional and spiritual detachment of the human race with it's food will drive us to accept even worse trecheries. The morality of the human race has been depleted something horid.

    I grew up on a dairy farm. We raised cattle... we fed them, cleaned them, loved them, and even named most of them. I watched tons of cows grow from cute lil babies to adults. Each one was give the best care we could give them. Vet checks once a month, casts, and any type of medications they needed.

    We cared for them because they have lives too. These farmers you see on that video are simply lazy assholes who dont have the humility to respect that which the earth provides. Instaid they are trying to do it in a more high pace and more efficient manner. But in doing so they have had to cut corners and ended up sacraficing their morals.

    It is truely a shame when i meet someone who can look at an animal and only see an animal. I really feel bad for those who cant see that animal's personality, it's likes, dislikes, love, respect, honor, intellegence, or it's soul. Now dont get me wrong, i know that animals and humans think differently. But there is so much more in an animal then just blood, muscle, fur, and bone.

    In the end, i believe that if humanity wasnt so fucking lazy they would be able to find a way to respect these animals and give them a suitable life while also working efficiently to supply the food we need to survive. But instaid we are so wrapped up on the cost of everything that we cant see that a dime for every hamburger we consumed could very well fix the problem. But like our taxes...we are not willing to give up a little for the sake of every one else.

    Try this if you dont want to stop eating meat... fucking donate a dime for every steak or burger or hotdog or rib or chicken you eat to a animal welfare organization. Mabey things will get better.