Animal Rights & Spirituality?

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    Nov 03, 2007 4:02 AM GMT
    the upper hand meaning, I had 5 people attacking my communcation tactics....here, I have been all but calm and making good points and asking fair questions and you are getting meaner and meaner....I havent said you were wrong, i think i very much said I respected your stance...yet you keep bringing it to this "bad" place and I can't understand why?
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    Nov 03, 2007 4:08 AM GMT
    Timer has a great idea!

    If people want to support the lifestyles of the farm animal then they should donate their money to the industry so the farms don't lose profits converting away from factory farms icon_cool.gif
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    Nov 03, 2007 4:12 AM GMT
    that's not very responsible...you don't fix a problem by covering it up....factory farms can be shifted from one production to another....no jobs will be lost and the system can change.

    why are you so opposed and angry about this thread trance, I mean in every thread you just attack and attack and attack...there is an opinion and then there is prejiduce.


    prejiduce...i think that is more along the lines of wha you're doing.
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    Nov 03, 2007 4:15 AM GMT
    trance...timer said meat eaters should donate lol

    you really dont read the full things do you?
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    Nov 03, 2007 4:27 AM GMT
    Animal rights don't directly enter my spiritual self, but ecological balance does. Screw up an animal's habitat, and I have problems.

    Hippie: How do you feel about the Native American approach to being omnivores? Here we had a culture with arguably the highest respect for animals, and by most accounts extremely healthy, athletic people. They would pray and thank the animal they were about to consume. They would use every last bit of the animal. They never altered the animal's diet or mistreated it until it was time to hunt and kill it (arguably, not mistreatment any more than a pack of wolves would). Is this not the noblest of omnivorism? If this were happening in 2007, would you object?

    Wondering about your threshold here.

    EDIT: I moved this response from the other veggie thread. Then from the disturbing video one. Now I think I should move it back. Or it could go on the factory farming one. Aaaaagh I don't know!!! You've got too many fucking threads on this going on. Stupid manipulative barrage. /rant
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    Nov 03, 2007 4:31 AM GMT
    ATX-

    there is clearly a difference there...with native americans and all our ancestors...they never had over 40 billion animals killed yearly....the animals they ate were much much less than what is not only offered but consumed in todays society....i knew that wasnt my question....but that is a variable to consider...highly consider actually.
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    Nov 03, 2007 4:34 AM GMT
    *Your* question? What question? I was addressing the original poster.
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    Nov 03, 2007 1:26 PM GMT
    thats what i meant ATX with "Wasnt My Question"...as in....what you asked wasn't geared towards me (but I answered it also)
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    Nov 03, 2007 1:49 PM GMT
    slayer - Since I don't see a wonderous light or anything in an animals eyes I'd be offended if it was suggested my tax dollars were to be used to improve the conditions of farms.

    Perhaps the best course would be to use genetics to breed animals without ears, eyes, or other sensory organs so they don't even have the capacity to feel pain.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:10 PM GMT
    your tax dollars are funding war...you're okay with that?
    your tax dollars are used by commercial companies to make a profit off you..okay with it?


    that last statement shows us nothing more than that is the sickest thing i've ever heard a person say. You're an ignorant sicko- that's my opinon
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:15 PM GMT
    Well Trance your idea is not far fetched. There is something called Imeat. Which is an ethical way of producing meat. It is strange science but it is likely to be the wave of the future.

    I read an article in vegnews about how this is already possible, but not cost effective yet.

    Using the cells in existing meat, you can essentially clone it and create an endless meat supply. It is the exact same thing as actual animal flesh minus the animals being raised and slaughtered.

    I personally would choose not to eat "Imeat" for health reasons, however I would have no ethical objections to people eating it.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:19 PM GMT
    Just a quick link I found on the subject, I originally read about this in VegNews. I find it to be an exiciting and promising new discussion. It can potentially satisfy vegetarians and meat-eaters. This could eventually end the debate about animal ethics with regards to food or at least limit it severely.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4148164.stm
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:33 PM GMT
    ewh lol....that article makes me wanna never eat anything again lol...but i hope they do it so people who need meat can not have cruelty!
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    Nov 03, 2007 4:23 PM GMT
    sorry but that fake meat just doesnt seem right. I would rather know they killed a cow so i can have my nice bloody steak. I also like rare meat and i feel like you could never get the consistency / taste / bloody factors just right
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    Nov 03, 2007 4:24 PM GMT
    Animal rights? I'm for animal marriage, but, they shouldn't have the right to vote.
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    Nov 03, 2007 7:47 PM GMT
    slayer - Thanks for the insults. Since you dropped to that level I think your retarded and backwards for thinking we should care about the well being of a creature destined for my plate.

    As for the tax dollars comment, no I'm not ok with my tax dollars being used for war which is why I don't vote pro establishment and I don't serve.

    Grow up a little before you continue your crusade.
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    Nov 03, 2007 8:00 PM GMT
    Just read the article on this link suggested by hippieforlyfe:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4148164.stm
    Ok, they can probably culture muscle cells but what are they going to feed them on, blood? Where will they get the blood? Will they culture blood too, and if so what about all the chemistry that is circulated in blood that meat eaters may derive some value from. This article brings up a lot of questions, but what else should we expect from BBC.
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    Nov 03, 2007 8:05 PM GMT
    There are other sources besides BBC which I am sure you can look into. This is all new so I am sure they will perfect it eventually.
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    Nov 04, 2007 12:35 AM GMT
    trance...you are the only person dropping to any level....you can ask anyone....even the people that hate me who (on this thread) are being thick headed and rude and I'm sorry it isn't me, not this time.


    you are thick headed and you will not listen to anyone about anything....you have brought no debate just a lack luster attempt at saying how wrong everyone else is and how right you. It is irritating talking to a brick wall...I think there are plenty of us here who can agree to that when it comes to "debating" with you.

    you want to use technology to take any form of being away from thriving natural creatures you share the world with. By inhibiting them from having any form of natural life. it is sick and kind of serial killer(ish) way of thinking....I have never nor do I hope I ever run into a person with such a low moral compass as to suggest that as any healthy alternative. I'm sorry but that kind of thought process is a cry for help with emotional discourse and should be promptly addressed by a psychotherapist.
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    Nov 04, 2007 12:39 AM GMT
    and get your facts straight

    I don't care if you eat meat...I am against the cruel treatment of animals in factory farms.


    do you see or not see how the two ideas are different. NO meat and then NO cruelty....do you see how they are not one and the same?

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    okay, like before, cut and paste.
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    Nov 04, 2007 12:59 AM GMT
    I think eating meat is very spiritual. It's a way of communing with nature and getting closer The One.

    I think vegetarians are, therefore, all going to hell, because they never partake of the blessed experience of eating meat.
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    Nov 04, 2007 3:49 AM GMT
    RAWWWWR!icon_twisted.gif

    You tell this vegetarian crap to all the animals that chased, bit, and or caused me bodily harm as a child!icon_evil.gif

    ILL EAT EM ALL! mmghf*

    One the other hand, that white tiger is inredibly awesome but Im pretty sure it would bite your face off if you looked it in the eyes...-.-icon_rolleyes.gif


    BESIDES all that, you still havent answered my question. what does not eating meat have to do with spirituality?
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    Nov 04, 2007 4:00 AM GMT
    actually the bible states that animals are to be shepard and that only the food of plants shall serve as meat...

    sorry gregsteven...looks like your ass is goin to hell haha ;) ... lata
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    Nov 04, 2007 4:07 AM GMT
    Right. NOT!

    And I suppose you planned on leaving out God's revelation to Paul that all the animals of the earth were for clean and should be consumed. That's in the new testament so you can hurl that veggie defense out the window!icon_rolleyes.gif


    Using the bible to condem others is completely deplorable -.-...


    "judge not lest ye be judged"
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    Nov 04, 2007 4:08 AM GMT
    I briefly dated a guy who claimed to be some sort of Buddhist, who was appalled at the idea of walking on grass without mentally apologizing to it.

    Strange thing is, he didn't hesitate to eat a steak.