Animal Rights & Spirituality?

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    Nov 04, 2007 4:22 AM GMT
    But ryan,

    your friend greg was the first person to speak about those who are going to hell...exactly how is it okay for him and not me to make reference to the bible?

    yes, it seems you have lost credibility in said statement because you chose to excuse a person from that which you claim deplorable.

    please, asses all statements by all parties before making a claim and a judgement.
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    Nov 04, 2007 4:23 AM GMT
    Slayer the bible to some does seem to indicate, early on that the a vegetarina lifestyle is paramount, but then it also gives strict instructions for eating meat as well. And my question doo you follow those instructions, ie kosher or halal and if so does that give you the 'right' to cast the first stone? If so then by all means cast, or not depending on the case. Or at least save your posts until really needed -- posting un-well reasoned or typed arguments without end is not the way to win arguments or friend, allies etc, and yes, while you may be well horrified by your own missspelling we are even more unimpressed, so keep that in mind when members have a tendency to throw out your whole argument for a spelling faux pas.

    (And personally no, I wouldn't do that, but I question whether you have the integrity to worry about other other possible erros if you don't worry about spelling ones -- and I definately have misspelled words but I admit that they don't help my argument or point of view, so yes, rightly or wrongly spelling does affet your argument)
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    Nov 04, 2007 4:24 AM GMT
    wreick


    op, your wrong, greg cast the first stone.

    man you people are blind tonight lol. hahahahahha.


    you too have lost credibility for the excusing of a person and no a behavior simply because it gainers in your interest.
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    Nov 04, 2007 4:27 AM GMT
    Excuse me for not drinking from the Fountain of Knowledge so deeply as you have, slayer, but I dont think Im responsible for knowing the details of every aspect of your forum to forum life -.-

    and Im not really in any place to judge what behavior is naughty or nice. icon_wink.gif
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    Nov 04, 2007 4:28 AM GMT
    the funny thing is werick


    had this been an in person conversation, my well reasoned arguments would yes of course be considered credible...I mean, you can't spell check my words.

    question, do you have every person you've ever spoken to give you a prewritten copy of whatever it is they are about to say to you too sustain their credibility?


    no...you continue to fight me for whatever reasons...you are getting into a confrontation for no other reason because you simply have no idea where to go with this. you choose only to fight on the side that has the most supporters. That of course is expected by the average person. social connection. do you have it now? are you feeling better about yourself.

    to me, it seems those who speak up only do so when there is a lot of people trying to slam down only a few. does it make you a big man? seems like you think so.
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    Nov 04, 2007 4:29 AM GMT
    but ryan you just did before you realized it was greg who stated it first.

    so now you are backpedaling for what? to make sure you have no tainted repuation or something?

    you people make mistakes and try hard to do a clean up but no one is buying.
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    Nov 04, 2007 4:31 AM GMT
    ANNNND! Now that I look back at it, I didnt direct that at you!

    "Using the bible to condem others is completely deplorable -.-..."

    That wasn't directed at anyone who didnt feel guilty of doing so. -.-


    Making me feel like a jerk...(sniffle) lolicon_lol.gif
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    Nov 04, 2007 4:35 AM GMT
    oh trust me....you look like one with or without my help.


    oh here...*tissue
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    Nov 04, 2007 4:35 AM GMT
    And back-peddling only stops or puts the bike in nuetral, silly.

    Bikes can tbe peddled backwards and neither can life.icon_neutral.gif
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    Nov 04, 2007 4:36 AM GMT
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    Nov 04, 2007 4:39 AM GMT
    Hey, you seem pretty cool and all, but can tell me why you wanna put me down so much?

    You point out my mistakes. I apologize. You point out my mistakes yet again. So what do you want of me? To stop eating meat, because its not going to happen. To protest in front of places of meat-selling because that is not going to happen.

    What is the satisfaction you obviously get when you undermine someone else?
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    Nov 04, 2007 5:25 AM GMT
    Actually slayer you are misquoting greg. He didnt mention the bible, he said that eating meat was spiritual and that it would bring you closer to god but no where in there did he say anything at all about the bible.

    Though if you want to argue the bible. In Genesis god gave man dominion over the animals, and there is more than one verse about what kind of meat man can eat. An animal must be cloven footed and chew the cut in order to be eaten, so beef and veal are ok but pork is totally out. Giraffe is actually kosher though there are varying reasons for why it is not consumer ranging from they cant find the appropriate point on the neck to cut to they cant get a knife long enough because the knife is supposed to be twice the length of the neck or something along those lines. the most reasonable reason though is just that giraffe is too damn expensive.
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    Nov 04, 2007 7:57 AM GMT
    Do I feel a connection with spirit when eating veges? Sorry, can’t say that I do. I am a vegetarian for ethical reasons. I don’t like the idea of harming sentient beings because I must eat. I go a long with Trance on this one, I have never seen, felt, smelt, tasted, heard or thought about a spirit while eating veges. What is this spirituality but another new age term for religion? I honestly do not know. Please educate me!!

    Is spirituality when:

    I am playing a team game and we win a point or the game.
    I am thrown by a wave that rides me all the way to the shore.
    I am part of a team that has just helped to save a life.
    I solve a problem that has not been solved before. It seems like an epiphany and afterwards I think that I knew the answer all along and wonder why it took me so long to figure it out.
    I feel the group’s fear and excitement on a roller coaster ride.
    I am walking along the shore and the sun is reflecting off the water with a zillion different facets.
    My cat returns a ball of paper that I have thrown.
    My husband and I come together while making love.
    I am part of a huge crowd cheering at a game of futbol.
    I watch Mandela (one of my heroes) win the Nobel Peace Prize.
    I am at a party where everyone is laughing at someone’s joke.

    Are these exhilarating events connected to spirituality?

    I don’ know.

    I wonder.
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    Nov 04, 2007 1:14 PM GMT
    oh jesus chungo

    he mentioned hell....is there any other religion in the world who refers to HELL...not in this time in the world except the judeo-christian theology.

    and since the old and new testament are what make up the BIBLE. I mean...you can't keep hiding behind this word for word thing you arn't helping yourself.
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    Nov 04, 2007 1:56 PM GMT
    ::sends waves of love and peace throughout you angry peoples:: this is to people on both sides of the argument.
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    Dec 19, 2007 6:18 PM GMT
    well as part of God's perfect creation, we should respect our animal brothers. I don't think God is too happy when people abuse, destroy, or mistreat the animals he loves. we should not do anymore harm than is necisary. i don't find anything wrong with eating and animal, after all that's part of our biology. but we definately should not be cruel in the process. and of course being cruel to animals for the hell of it, or for some sick pleasure, is wrong too. (Michael Vick). And of course people are more important than animals -- duh.