Shocking video expose... dose of reality!

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    Nov 03, 2007 10:46 AM GMT
    native dude

    i agree. i was a farm boy in Canada and all our meat and stuff came off the farm so i know how everything is done. that is why i try to get stuff off the local farmers before going to the store.

    if you know a local farmer and they raise there own meat, often times they will sell you quarters or halves of beef. at least we did on the farm. i know none of our cattle,chickens, pigs turkeys, geese, ducks, or anything else we raised were ever treated that way.
    next time you get a chicken in a store just look at it.. 90 percent of the time it is not cleaned properly and feathers are still on it and the (nuts) are still in the bird.

    same with the pork.. so be careful when picking up your meat at local stores.

    anyway, i tried to be a non meat eater and it was ok but my guts couldn't handle the spices.

    In Canada i don't think the slaughter houses are as bad as they are here in the USA. I have been to a couple and they are at least cleaner, and they make sure at least the animals are dead before they continue to dress them, and when you buy a chicken there there are NO unwanted parts left inside the bird.

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    Nov 03, 2007 11:15 AM GMT
    ITJock... well said and thank you!

    Regardless of how well-intended these threads may or may not be, they always come across to me as prostelitizing and fraught with propaganda and scare tactics or guilt trips. Now, I used to be an ovo-lacto vegetarian, though I'm not currently... but the way to convince me to change is to present me with solid, empirical research and then let me analyze and digest the information and make my own decision. Otherwise, its no different than beating me over the head with (insert holy book of choice here) and expecting me to convert. It just won't happen.

    chief... I understand what you're saying... my grandfather was a farmer and the quality and cleanliness of the meats... not to mention the treatment of the animals... was much better than what we have now in the mass-produced meat industry.

    However, my reference to spending my life learning about and interacting with animals was more in the sense of my Grandfather teaching me to observe the animals in the wild and learn from them... or as he would say "Watch them, learn from them, know their medicine". Of course, he also taught me to take only what I need from nature and give something back, too. icon_wink.gif

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    Nov 03, 2007 12:10 PM GMT
    Well stated, ITJock and NativeDude.

    The only thing that convinces me about my dietary choices is how my body feels. And, no amount of hyped vegan dogma can ever convince my body to feel well nourished on a diet of grain, beans, soy, and veggies. Being fat, hungry, and lethargic is not a health benefit.

    IMO, the Beyond Vegetarianism website offers a far more balanced and realistic perspective.
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    Nov 03, 2007 12:25 PM GMT
    Well some things in life suck.

    If I thought too much about the meat I eat, then I'd never want to eat it. However I think meat is fabulous and vegetarians are denying themselves one of life's great experiences.

    However I defend people's rights to show these films. If it offends people, then don't watch or read the thread.

    Lozx

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    Nov 03, 2007 12:26 PM GMT
    Actually, about 12 years ago I was living in CA and dating a guy who was a macrobiotic vegan who loved to cook.

    As long as he cooked I was fine with it, didn't miss meat at all - well except maybe for an occasional hamburger.

    But I just don't have the... impetus or experience to cook that way myself.

    I have Hindu friends whose cooking I love; I don't miss the meat at all.

    Just not my habits I guess; plus I really find many vegans to be proselytizingly self righteous.

    icon_lol.gif Extremists of any kind just make me want to dig in my heals and do the opposite. icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 03, 2007 12:39 PM GMT
    Killing animals is cool.

    If you kill animals, you'll be cool, too.
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    Nov 03, 2007 12:55 PM GMT
    Aller! hands off my meat! I eat végétariens five days of de week and still some peepels will not be 'appy.
    Me, I like to cook like my gran' mudders on de week-ends and, en plus, I want to 'ave de very big Mussels!
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    Boudin for de breakfast and de pigfeets shall be ready for de souper. À table!
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    Nov 03, 2007 1:22 PM GMT
    paradox I am afraid you know nothing about veganism.

    "Being fat, hungry, and lethargic is not a health benefit."

    Vegans are generally very skinny, not hungry at all considering we get all the vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, fiber and protein we need. We also generally have boundless energy. This of course is if someone follows the proper rules for any diet. One can be unhealthy and vegan just like one can be unhealthy and eat any diet.
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    Nov 03, 2007 2:00 PM GMT
    "paradox I am afraid you know nothing about veganism."

    While I was never vegan, I was lacto-vegetarian for 2+ years in the early 1980s. I finally caved when the cravings for poultry got to be too much. For the next almost 20 years, I ate a predominantly vegetarian, largely grain and bean based diet in an Ayurvedic vein. I would eat some poultry or fish only a couple times a week. It was lots of tofu, veggies, lentils, quinoa, amaranth, rice, whole grain bread, etc. And, the excessive carb intake made me fat, hungry, and lethargic.

    When I shifted to a more hunter-gatherer style diet of meat and non-starchy veggies, I was truly sated, I had energy, I was no longer having to sleep off the blood sugar crashes, and 30 pounds dropped off in 5 months.

    Living here, in Fairfield Iowa, in the heart of the Transcendental Meditation movement, I'm around lots of people who are or who have been vegetarian. Some people do well on it; some people don't. Some of them are skinny (in some cases, Auschwitz skinny) but they range from skinny to obese. I know a mother and daughter here who are both PETA-style activist vegan and obese. B12 deficiency is common among those who eat one serving or less of dairy per day. My chiropractor sees lots of vegetarians with health problems related to their vegetarian diets. Hippie, I've been seeing and living the reality of vegetarianism since you were a tiny baby, and it is simply not a universal formula for good health.
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    Nov 03, 2007 2:04 PM GMT
    I can't post the pictures i want.....realjock...you're lame lol
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    Nov 03, 2007 2:06 PM GMT
    Not sure how many of you saw the video....but that shit is off the f**kin wall !!! I couldn't believe what i was watching.

    I love my meat...so I won't be moving to the produce department any time soon but something has to be done about the way these animals are treated at these factories. There is definitely a more humane way...even if it cuts profits.

    As to those folks tired of the veggy post...simple solution: Dont read it, don't reply. icon_wink.gif
    Don't we all see post on here that mean nothing to us??? Just keep moving.

    AMB
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    Nov 03, 2007 2:07 PM GMT
    Slayer, I saw the hamburger pic. What problem are you having posting pics?
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    Nov 03, 2007 2:46 PM GMT
    I have never seen feathers left on a chicken when I purchased it but that is probably because i tend to buy boneless skinless meat. as for buying a whoel chicken some people like some of the part that are left inside. I happen to think chicken heart and gizzard go great in chicken soup.
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    Nov 03, 2007 2:50 PM GMT
    I have an idea. Why don't all the Peta people buy all the animal farms and raise the animals humanely.

    Then we can all eat meat without contributing to animal abuse.

    I have been on a lot of farms. All the farmers including myself treat all their animals with great care and compassion. They are their cash crop. A lot of what i saw in the video is how the use to treat animals years ago (1950). The laws have changed here in the USA.

    From experience's chicken farming can still be pretty bad. Free range chickens are free to roam and feed. At the end they still have to be killed.

    Domestic cows have been breed to serve us as food. If you open the barn doors and let them out they would all die. Dairy cows have to be milked twice a day or they would die. I lived on a dairy farm and we try to keep the cows as calm and clean as possible. We would play easy listening music in the barn. The barn stunk like cow shit but, it was very clean. A lot of milk companies have very high standards on how the clean the barns have to be. You should really go out and see an milking operation yourself. I have never seen and animal of any kind castrated like they did in the film. DAMN..

    If you think we are bad here in the USA you should go to other counties.

    I love eating meat and yes i think there are better ways to raise and slaughter animal. So do what i did. Do it yourself.



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    Nov 03, 2007 3:05 PM GMT
    i think the discussion about the video is not the same as the discussion into why anyone should or should not be vegan/vegetarian.

    Yes, the video is appalling, cruelty to animals is appalling. But putting this video up as a reason not to eat meat anymore is just not logical at all.

    Let us compare this to any other product on the market, when a consumer finds out that there is any form of abuse (be it environmental, child labor, animal testing, etc..) involved in the manufacturing of said product, we as a consumer should react by no longer buying it, and instead move on to another brand.

    The same goes for meat. In Europe, and especially Belgium and the Netherlands (since i'm most familiar with these two) there are consumer labels for meat products. Such a label is regulated by the government and ensures that the product you are purchasing conforms to certain standards. There are labels for biologically grown poducts, cruelty-free products, origin guaranteed, and so on. So if you are concerned about this, make sure you buy the right product.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:11 PM GMT
    wildboyurl: "A lot of what i saw in the video is how the use to treat animals years ago (1950). The laws have changed here in the USA."

    Actually, in the 1950's things were so much better. There were small farms and the animals were treated much more humanely. Today most of our meat is mass produced and comes from huge corporations which have those standards in the video above. It isn't that they deliberately want to be mean to animals, it is that this procedure is the quickest, most cost effective way for them.

    If petting animals and being nice to them was the way to raise profit they would do that, animals in factory farms are viewed as commodities, and objects to raise money over.

    Farm Sanctuary while of course promotes a vegan diet, does try to create new laws which atleast have farmers stick to better ethical standards. So while many of you don't agree with PETA, I would suggest checking out Farm Sanctuary http://www.farmsanctuary.org as they are not at all "radical" and really just want to create better laws for animals.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:20 PM GMT
    WILDBOY-

    um you may wanna check into the laws yes...but now look into the man power able to enforce those laws and the money available to fund those companies enforcing these laws.

    there simply is not enough goverment funding to support the checking of over 50.000 farms here in america. And because meat is such a huge psychological imprint on a lot of families...private corporations would never fund that especailly when their opponent's would assoicate them with radical extremests such as PETA.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:48 PM GMT
    I agree with ITjock. (But not with getting up at 6:28 on a Saturday morning!!! ... icon_eek.gif ...)

    I think PETA would get farther pushing for more humane ways to raise and slaughter animals than to try to get everyone to stop eating meat. We're omnivores...check your teeth...we evolved eating meat. I dont intend to stop eating meat. But I would still like for the raising and slaughtering of animals to be humane.

    ...BTW, I still havent seen the vid. I am afraid to.
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    Nov 03, 2007 4:59 PM GMT
    Caslon wrote: "I agree with ITjock. (But not with getting up at 6:28 on a Saturday morning!!! ... ...)"

    icon_lol.gif Who said I was 'getting up' at 6:28am ? Chuckle - I'm four (4) hours ahead of you... I wrote that around 10:30 in the morning here...


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    Nov 03, 2007 5:22 PM GMT
    Here is a quote from chillst79:

    “The same goes for meat. In Europe, and especially Belgium and the Netherlands (since I'm most familiar with these two) there are consumer labels for meat products. Such a label is regulated by the government and ensures that the product you are purchasing conforms to certain standards. There are labels for biologically grown products, cruelty-free products, origin guaranteed, and so on. So if you are concerned about this, make sure you buy the right product.”

    In Spain we also have very strict laws for animal protection, but, as Slayer says, getting the law enforced is a problem here, much more so than in northern Europe. However, that is improving as Spain’s economy is growing.

    I am curious though. Does anyone from the USA know if you have enacted any laws similar to the ones above? I think that most people that are meat-eaters would be in favour of such laws, even if those laws caused the price of meat to increase slightly per pound.
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    Nov 03, 2007 5:39 PM GMT
    oh, no....we havent a clue ...

    The giant agribusiness company Cargill Inc. said Saturday it is recalling more than 1 million pounds of ground beef that may be contaminated with E. coli bacteria.

    E. coli fears prompt recall of millions of frozen pizzas
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    Nov 03, 2007 5:49 PM GMT
    im vegan and im even getting tired of these threads. however, i have first hand experience in small farms, large industry farms, and slaughter houses, so if you want info on what ive seen and know, and why they do things and what they really do, message me. i didnt watch the video because ive seen it all before.
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    Nov 03, 2007 7:10 PM GMT
    I'm getting tired of the back and forth bickering. I really wish people could just use these threads to discuss in a respectful manner the subject. If you don't like the thread, feel free to post elsewhere. If you want to get involved regardless of your opinion, just do so respectful of both sides of the debate. There are 2 legitimate arguments veganism and omnivorous diets, both have their valid arguments.
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    Nov 03, 2007 7:18 PM GMT
    I consider myself very animal friendly. I have never hunted and only eat meat at home once a month.icon_lol.gif I am liberal and accepting of various people and beliefs.
    However the two groups I have zip zero respect for are the Klan and PETA. They are both _ucking nuts.icon_twisted.gif Animal control in much of the country is just as out of control.
    Check out “Truth Be Told Exploding the myths, misconseptions and untruths about American agriculture”

    http://loostales.blogspot.com/2007_10_21_archive.html#6050812892805470197

    Being this is post is related to PETA let me say this. We had animal abuse shelters before shelters for abused women and children. I think we still have more animal abuse shelters. If we focused more on violence against women, children, gays, and minorities the world could be safer for us all.icon_idea.gif Come on let us focus on violence against ppl first. Have you seen a chicken killed by a fox? Maybe we should kill all flesh eating animals as they practice inhumane killing techniques. I would never let a Klansmen in my house or a PETA supporter. I am for free speech but let me google an animal protection site, that way you PETA loving pple get off the jock site.

    When on this site some are interested in learning about a different kind of meat LOL.icon_wink.gif
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    Nov 03, 2007 9:04 PM GMT
    is there any way of making certain ppl's topics automatically ignored?

    i'm tired of this guys anti meat crap.