Queer as Folk question

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    Nov 21, 2007 7:56 AM GMT
    I'm bi curious, have never done anything with a guy, and don't know anything about the gay culture. I saw some clips on youtube.com of scenes from QAF and decided to watch it. I began to rent the DVDs and started with season one. I found it pretty interesting until...

    I just watched the first disc (4 episodes) of season 3, and it seems they have just begun to repeat the plot lines. ie...
    1. Brian gets accused of molesting his nephew and Justin steps in and clears him - just like when Brian was accused of sexual harrasment at work and Justin steps in and clears him.

    2. Emmitt and (blanking..the accountant turned porn site owner) move in together and have a big issue over Emmitts stuff - just like season one when Michael moved in with the guy he was dating.

    3. The whole lesbian baby thing with Michael, very similiar to the Brian deal (although with this one at least it being similiar is part of the story itself)

    So my question is...is it worth continuing to watch season 3 and on or does it just get repetative like this? Is there much new in the rest of season 3, 4 and 5? Should I spend my money and time still watching or have I seen the best already?

    Thanks for any thoughts!
  • HndsmKansan

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    Nov 21, 2007 9:18 AM GMT
    Well let me say I thought "Queer as Folk" was interesting (not very realistic) when I started watching it in season 1. It was new and so was I to the whole "gay scene". The climax with Justin's attack was really compelling. When season 2 began I expected a lot more and was very disappointed. Actually I got pretty bored with the whole thing.... and I wasn't able to get it on cable anyway so I didn't see too much more of the series (but have heard).

    I'm sure there is some degree of repetiveness, but I think there are some very good issues as well, especially at the end. I would continue watching
    (albeit, no priority) and see the whole series and come to your own conclusion.
  • GQjock

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    Nov 21, 2007 11:49 AM GMT
    There are some moments of good writing and nacting on the parts of the guys on the show...
    like when one of them OD
    and some relationship issues esp with Michael and his BF's are realistic
    but on the whole it does stay repetitive
    and you feel like you're watching a never ending gay soap opera
    Hey... then it Is real life!
  • NorthFl

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    Nov 21, 2007 2:56 PM GMT
    I think QaF was great and there hasn't been anything even close to it to replacing it. It was our first and so far in my opinion the best as of yet.
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    Nov 21, 2007 4:38 PM GMT
    i think QAF was interesting, but im in a different country and with different culture, so i dont know whether it reflect the reality. if yup, i'll feel a bit disappoint, because i find most guys care about sex more than love.
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    Nov 21, 2007 5:00 PM GMT
    I thought the show was really cheesy and not too bright, being the air-head that I am, I actually like watching it, lol. Its funny because I look at the show and think damn this is so wrong, sometimes the show does pertain to a realistic gay lifestyle, but for the most part you will see alot of same old shit problems. Crying and yadi yadi so please don't let that also make you think thats exactly how gay lifestyles are. It is only a fraction and really depends on how a gay person sets themselves out to be. Later dudes.
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    Nov 21, 2007 5:28 PM GMT
    Personally, I think it got old, repetitive and too political at the end. acting went downhill aswell
  • liftordie

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    Nov 21, 2007 5:30 PM GMT
    i like the show because it represents stereotypes of us. yes i said it!! STEREOTYPES. there is a litte truth in each one. it may not have always shown us in the best light but it DID show us to the world at large. once a week. unedited and uncut! um so to speak. lol the speech michael gave in the last season to the audience claiming 'we are nothing like you and we dont want to be like you, our values are different, our ideals are different' still to this day gives me chills when i think about!! on a side note i will never forget the day my 68 year old mother asked me on the phone...'so michael, which character are you on Queer As Folk???' i took about two seconds to reply...'why mom, i am Brian, but i don't treat my friends like shit!!' i just know she bought the dvds and watched every episode again to see all the dirty, nasty, gay things her 'SON' was doing!!!
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    Nov 21, 2007 6:25 PM GMT
    As with "Will & Grace," QAF was one step forward and two steps back. The step forward was that it did present the gay culture to America, and these gay men led sexual lives, not the lives of the eunuchs that we see on other shows.

    The first season is fairly good and quite engaging and that is largely because it mimicked the well done British series on which it was based. After that it was on its own.

    The show's characters turned into caricatures, the plotlines were executed clumsily, and many of the actors are just some of the worst I've ever seen.

    Dorothy Parker famously mocked one of Katherine Hepburn's weaker stage performances by saying that her acting range ran the gamut of A to B. Well, Gale Harrold (Brian) doesn't even approach A. He wears the same permanent sneer on his face throughout every scene, whether he's joyous, angry or sad. He brings neither depth nor emotion to a character in desperate need of such and I consider him the worst actor in a mainstream project that I have ever seen. Even Erik Estrada could get off a punchline now and then! icon_lol.gif

    The biggest flaw of the show is the portrayal of Pittsburgh as having this gay mecca. Pittsburgh has had a great renaissance and has become a great city, but it has your typical low-key middle American gay scene. A better choice would have been Columbus, Ohio, where the Short North is very much like that portrayal of Liberty Avenue.

    It was refreshing (and titilating) to see gay sex scenes portrayed in full glory as we have seen straight sex scenes done in the past. But the scenes would have been strengthened if they had been fit into realistic plotlines with characters that you cared about. This show could have been a real touchstone for us, as well as a landmark, but it just turned into a ho-hum presentation of gay life.

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    Nov 21, 2007 10:46 PM GMT
    The UK version was far superior. They got it all over and done with in two seasons and left it on a high note.

    The US version was just a poor gay soapie.
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    Nov 21, 2007 11:07 PM GMT
    Have to agree with cronker - the UK version is hands-down the best piece of pop culture (movie/TV) about contemporary gay life I have ever seen. So spirited, well-written, well-observed, completely defied all my expectations.
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    Nov 21, 2007 11:08 PM GMT
    The British version (the original, btw) was more concise and to the point... But as with most things, the American version took the basic premise and expounded exponentially... which is both good and bad...

    Good in that it allowed the show to go for what was it, 5 seasons? And even though it was a bit cheesy and repetative at times... and was rife with stereotypes... it was a ground-breaking series at the time. It IS, after all, a gay soap opera... icon_lol.gif

    Bad in that it did become a bit repetative and cheesy... and some of the idiosyncrasies of a few characters had the time to actually become irritating over the course of 5 seasons...

    That said, it has its merits... it did bring to light some issues that were not widely discussed in the mainstream... issues like bashing, for example. It also served as a launching point for real-life dialogue between many gay men and lesbians and their hetero counterparts (ie... the whole office watercooler dialogue thing) despite... or perhaps, because of... the blatant stereotypes.

    And the series ending is pretty damned good...icon_wink.gif
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    Nov 24, 2007 4:32 AM GMT
    It got off to a decent if not great start, but hated it from season 2 on. Boring, repetitive plot lines, and cliche characters Brian, the "hot" one, wasn't nearly a hot as half the dudes he brought home, or that filled the bar scenes for that matter. Justin was a spoiled brat who needed a good spanking and to be sent to his room without dinner until he could behave properly.

    Thanks for letting me get my grumpiness out of the way with this topic!icon_mad.gif
  • EricLA

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    Nov 24, 2007 4:41 AM GMT
    I liked Queer As Folk, but it wasn't quality television. It was enough to hold my attention, but I wanted so much from the show and it never delivered. The acting was here and there, the writing completely uneven -- at times it wanted to be more serious at other times a soap opera. Some of what they had especially Emmitt and Ted do seemed like they had a list of gay stories they felt they should tackle, so have Emmitt or Ted do it: Ex-gay movement? Emmitt. Drugs: Ted. On and on. But, even some of the other characters seemed to do things that were out-of-character.

    Still, I watched it through till the end. There were moments when the show hit on all cylinders. The end of the first season's finale was really good. It's worth watching once. I'm not sure I'd buy the DVDs though.
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    Nov 24, 2007 4:43 AM GMT
    I never understood what the big deal about this show was (the American version -- as with most things, I'm sure the British version rocked). It was like a couple of 12 year old boys discovering they could masturbate.

    Wow, we can show gay sex on TV. Let's do it again. And again! After study hall! Before GILLIGAN'S ISLAND. While playing Atari!

    I'm guessing maybe somewhere gay men lead such vapid, high-drama lives, but certainly nowhere near where I'm standing.

    I'll take the first four seasons of WILL AND GRACE to drag America kicking and screaming into quasi-acceptance of our gayness anytime. At least they were laughing, not cringing and/or bored.

    One more sidenote on Britishness -- they really have the right idea with TV shows. Do them well for a year or two or three and then take them off they air when they are still entertaining. It took 26 seasons for my beloved DOCTOR WHO to finally get the axe. It should have been done around season 21.

    But then it came back after a 16 absence and is far better written, acted and produced.

    What is it about the American model of TV that we have to drag shows out as long as possible? It must have something to do with the profit for syndication.

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    Nov 24, 2007 11:01 PM GMT
    Queer as Folk is the only Soap Opera I ever liked watching. I'm sorry that it ended. I'm glad they tied up all the loose ends though. I don't need Showtime anymore.

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    Nov 24, 2007 11:13 PM GMT
    The gay culture has changed from "back then" to now, for us in current generation I'd say that it is definitely real life. They did a great job at capturing that, my friends and I are really reflected throughout the show giving us the opportunity to connect with the characters themselves.

    - Javier
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    Nov 24, 2007 11:18 PM GMT
    I watched the BBC series and the US series, all episodes.

    You can't really compare the two, even though the US series was based on the UK one. The US version was much more of an ensemble show, was more of a soap and also tried to address some real life issues.
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    Nov 24, 2007 11:25 PM GMT
    The British version of QAF is very good. Unfortunately I found the finally cheesy.

    The American version had a longer run so they had the luxury to deal with more of the major issues facing our community--addictions (drug and sex), gay bashing, and a well needed reminder to our community that there are still people out there dying of AIDS.

    Of course they had a few story lines that just don't work.

    But best of all...Sharon Gless.

    So go to your library and rent the series.

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    Nov 24, 2007 11:56 PM GMT
    Yes ...just shut up and Watch it...it is good...you will like it. CONTÄ°NUE!!!!! I SAY CONTÄ°NUE!!!!!!
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    Nov 25, 2007 12:22 AM GMT
    I agree with Franko. Why do you need people to give you their opinions on watching a T.V. show? Just watch it and judge for yourself whether it was worth it. This is just like the damned "is it okay to like Fleetwood Mac" topic. If you like it, then it's okay. If you're interested in the show, then watch it.
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    Nov 25, 2007 12:32 AM GMT
    It's a soap opera... of course it's going to repeat a few story lines.

    That shouldn't stop you from finishing up the series though!
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    Nov 26, 2007 5:58 AM GMT
    Thanks guys for the input. This is my first time on since posting it and glad to see the responses.

    I'll continue to watch a while, if I continue to see the repitition, maybe I'll find some episode summaries to read and then skip to the last season.
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    Nov 26, 2007 6:44 AM GMT
    It's been a while since I've seen it... but if I remember correctly, Season 3 was the absolute WORST season of the entire series; but they more than made up for it the season or two after. The final season was actually one of the best of series, and I was sorry to see it go. And yes, they're going to repeat plot lines, that's true with any series (there are only so many stories to be told)... but it's the way they tell their story that made it so much fun to watch.
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    Nov 26, 2007 7:01 AM GMT
    I liked seeing them explore gay lifestyle issues and I realized that some of the characters seems all over the place but I knew this was not an attempt to reflect real people.
    But also, I liked it because it occasionally was seeing some gay sex in the context of DEVELOPED CHARACTERS.

    Rent a porn and get four lines of monologue from a distant narrator on who the characters are and why the scene might be unfolding as it is.... ugh! So shallow. Maybe I need to watch enough gay porn to find the right director. Plus guys going at it passionately and artistically lit looks lots hotter to me than guys lit by flood lights and positioning for camera angles.

    There aren't alot of gay dramas or series, so why not watch it?