Salvia divinorum

  • MikePhilPerez

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    Jan 17, 2008 10:04 PM GMT
    XRuggerATX saidI've done it twice. I was just looking for other stories for comparison.

    Definitely powerful stuff and not for the insecure.


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    Jan 17, 2008 10:25 PM GMT
    Good point. It could allow some guys to lighten up a bit.

    p.s. cell pics are for losers

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    Jan 17, 2008 10:35 PM GMT
    XRuggerATX saidGood point. It could allow some guys to lighten up a bit.

    p.s. cell pics are for losers



    I think you missed my point, Rugger. Or was that in reply to me ?

    Mike
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    Jan 17, 2008 10:47 PM GMT
    Ok... I've used this variety of sage once before... years ago... when I was in New Mexico for a vision quest. Native Americans have used this for everything from vision quests to medicine for various ailments for centuries.

    I took it as a tea, which is the traditional way for vision quests. Sometimes peyote is used instead, which I've done once, but it wasn't available for this quest. Yes, this is powerful stuff. It really isn't something I'd recommend for recreational use, especially on a regular basis... and if you do, make sure you have a sitter present. Be cautious about higher concentrations because there is a very dark side to this stuff... too much or too great a strength and your visions become hellish and more realistic, the effects longer, and you can damage your psyche.
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    Jan 17, 2008 10:50 PM GMT
    nah that ps wasn't for you mike

    native: Damage your psyche? How? I know a newbie who got in over his head with it recently.
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    Jan 17, 2008 11:03 PM GMT
    YouTube has some "interesting" videos of it...icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 17, 2008 11:09 PM GMT
    I've seen the youtube videos that a few respondents have mentioned.

    What someone is experiencing mentally shouldn't be judged by others who are merely watching the body react, unless there is imminent danger. Otherwise, there'd be no such thing as dancing.

    The babbling owes a great deal to the fact that the experience is so profound that humans have trouble coming up with words to explain what they're experiencing. It's a little like an indigenous person living on the equator trying to explain snowfall. Sentences start but often can't be finished due to limitations in vocabulary.

    A powerful spiritual event doesn't need to look normal, because it's not about satisfying the witnesses. If the pentecostals can babble incoherently and flail about in the name of profound spirituality, so can other people.
  • iHavok

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    Jan 23, 2008 1:25 PM GMT
    so my question is, why is trying something like this okay, and not frowned upon by the group, but trying something like meth is?
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    Jan 24, 2008 7:59 PM GMT
    Addiction, mainly. Salvia has no addictive properties.

    Red up on each drug and you should be able to see some important and dinstinct differences.
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    Jan 24, 2008 8:08 PM GMT
    Huh, soft drugs... I would if I could, but I don't know anyone who has this drug. It's been a while since I've done any drugs to mellow me out... Is it obvious? Damn it! Where are my stoner hippy friends when I need them? Just don't expect me to do/try any hard drugs ever again. I've been reading old books and doing brain games a few times a week to bring my brain back up to it's former abilities and then some!
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    Jan 25, 2008 2:18 AM GMT
    I would not necessarily call this a "soft drug". It is rather intense and shouldn't be done casually. That being said, it is not addictive and it seems most who've done it have only done it once, or twice with a large gap in between sessions.

    But it is over-the-counter.
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    Apr 14, 2008 3:26 PM GMT
    My vibrator gives me all the buzz I need.
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    Apr 14, 2008 3:35 PM GMT
    Tried it once, but not sure i got much out of it. I saw some kids buying some at Planet K over the weekend. If you have any questions about drugs, plants etc. Check out www.erowid.org. very comprehensive site.
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    Apr 17, 2008 8:34 PM GMT
    fryblock saidMy roommate is growing four plants of this, so hopefully ill get to try it before she moves out. I also have some datura seeds that are supposed to be a strong hallucinogenic, but I haven't tried it yet.



    Be careful. Datura can kill you if you harvest it wrong.
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    Apr 30, 2009 9:39 PM GMT
    RuggerATX saidHas anyone ever tried this? How did it go?
    yeah I have, I only smoked a small bowl, and it kept me high for about ten minutes.

    pretty lame.

    supposedly if you smoke a whole lot of it you can hallucinate but I didn't of course.
  • Sebastian18

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    Apr 30, 2009 9:44 PM GMT
    Rune saidBe careful, the hallucinations are probably the most convincing I've ever experienced. Even though there wasn't that much visual stuff when I tried it, the 'scenario' going on in my head had me convinced it was true, which has never happened with anything else I've tried. I recommend a sober sitter if you and pals want to try just in case. It should be good times.


    Rune's advice is very sound. Depending on what method you're using when taking Salvia and the strength of extract (typically Salvia can be found in 5x, 10x, 20x). If this is your first time, I wouldn't do anything higher than a 10x round.

    That being said, I've found Salvia divinorum to be very beneficial when done in a relaxed setting as a way to get a psychological reboot. Like anything else, moderation, moderation, moderation. I attribute my first Salvia experience to helping me better understand the root of my anxiety disorder and haven't had any panic attacks since that day.

    Here's a good resource on botanical and chemical entheogens:
    www.erowid.org
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    May 18, 2009 1:10 AM GMT
    Is the Drug addictive or is the BEHAVIOR ! Im surprised you havent figured out the difference. Im certain that it isnt any good for you. Why cant you enjoy being sober all the time. Its nice that the subject was broached in the forums but alas examine the motive.
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    May 18, 2009 2:31 PM GMT
    gr8hands4you saidIs the Drug addictive or is the BEHAVIOR ! Im surprised you havent figured out the difference. Im certain that it isnt any good for you. Why cant you enjoy being sober all the time. Its nice that the subject was broached in the forums but alas! examine the motive.


    alas is an expletive.
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    Aug 12, 2009 9:29 PM GMT
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    gr8hands4you saidIs the Drug addictive or is the BEHAVIOR ! Im surprised you havent figured out the difference. Im certain that it isnt any good for you. Why cant you enjoy being sober all the time. Its nice that the subject was broached in the forums but alas! examine the motive.


    alas is an expletive.


    Alas! I beckon, he comes! Atop his valiant white steed, "iMac". He wields a dictionary and a sharpened red fountain pen. He thrusts for the throat of thine enemy, drawing not blood, but a red "x" on the jugular, forever silencing those which know not grammar.

    /sarcasm


    Very curious about Salvia... also very vigilant. My mind can be very unpredictable. Not sure if I want to let it off it's leash.
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    Aug 12, 2009 9:44 PM GMT
    More intense than mushrooms, but the duration is much shorter.

    If you choose to do it, be in a constant setting and have people you trust present.

    Safe proof your place as well as you may lose some control of your actions, i.e. put all sharp objects away, etc.

    Salvia is different from other drugs like weed and mushrooms. Most admit that a salvia trip is more a "weird" experience than a fun one. It's typically not used on a regular basis like marijuana for instance (as far as I know).

    Be safe and enjoy the high.

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    Aug 12, 2009 9:56 PM GMT
    RuggerATX saidI've seen the youtube videos that a few respondents have mentioned.

    What someone is experiencing mentally shouldn't be judged by others who are merely watching the body react, unless there is imminent danger. Otherwise, there'd be no such thing as dancing.

    The babbling owes a great deal to the fact that the experience is so profound that humans have trouble coming up with words to explain what they're experiencing. It's a little like an indigenous person living on the equator trying to explain snowfall. Sentences start but often can't be finished due to limitations in vocabulary.

    A powerful spiritual event doesn't need to look normal, because it's not about satisfying the witnesses. If the pentecostals can babble incoherently and flail about in the name of profound spirituality, so can other people.


    Very true...It's difficult to describe what one sees while experiencing the effects.

    The only way to know what it is like to do it...is to actually try it. Only then will you completely understand what it's like.

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    Aug 12, 2009 10:27 PM GMT
    Most people I've known to do hallucinogens don't get hooked.
    Tripping is fun, but not something you want to do all the time. If anyone here has tripped before then I'm pretty sure you know what I mean.
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    Aug 12, 2009 10:30 PM GMT
    Done it a couple times, stuff's real relaxing and it leaves you feeling perfectly normal after it's outta your system. The high's short and lasts about 10 or 15 minutes if you smoke it, but you won't feel anything if you don't get enough in your system. Even if you take a heavy hit, it's still reasonably safe because it doesn't leave any toxic metabolites in your system and it's completely metabolized in a matter of minutes. The high itself is probably more dangerous than the chemical, so bean bag chairs and soft, non-flammable lighting comes highly recommended.

    The only gripe I have about salvia is the price: you'll be lucky to find it for less than $50 per half ounce of x50 extract and you'll use up about half of it in a single use.
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    Aug 12, 2009 10:46 PM GMT
    I tried it once before and it didn't do anything. Maybe it was poor quality or I was smoking it wrong (it was out of a pipe, not a bong).

    I'd like to try it again someday though.
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    Aug 12, 2009 10:49 PM GMT
    Salvia is not a recreational drug, so don't do it thinking you're going to have a good time. In all likelihood, you will not. After doing it for the first time, I became preoccupied with death for a few months... facing my own mortality and worrying that death would be similar to the "dimension" i experienced while on Salvia... a dimension that is best described as a nightmare dimension. When I came down, I was profoundly thankful for the reality I was in, and appreciated life more than ever. I have had Salvia "flashbacks", pretty much whenever I find myself in a surreal situation that somehow seems disconnected to reality.

    It's a bizarre, intense, and potentially terrifying experience.