Flab Removal 101

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    Jan 12, 2008 11:16 PM GMT
    I've lost about 100 pounds and right now I'm working out around 4-5 times a week. I noticed these areas on my upper, inner thighs and my lower stomache where there's flab there. I know that once fat tissue is added to a body, you can't remove it anymore either (other than for drastic fat-removal surgery et. al.), but is there any way to further shrink down these areas in particular? Like for instance, will continuing to do ab crunches further shrink down the loose fat on my lower stomache? And, well hell, I have no clue what to do about my inner thighs.

    Any suggestions? Thanx guys!
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    Jan 13, 2008 2:29 AM GMT
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    Jan 13, 2008 2:33 AM GMT
    maybe some of those lotions marketed to women for firming skin?
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    Jan 13, 2008 6:33 AM GMT
    What happens is that the fat cells get larger, and the skin (an organ gets bigger, too).

    Given some time, those cells will shrink, without intervention, to some degree, but, once you've been a fattie, understand that your skin had to grow around you.

    If you're still 261 pounds you have a LONG way to go yet; if you've lost a much as you said, you were morbidly fat, and knocking on death's door. Congratulations on your effort.

    I'd get the rest of the weight off, give it another year, and see how much your cells have shrunk. You may need a skin reduction (a surgical procedure) performed. You're looking at a three year timeline to figure where you are on getting back the appearance of a normal human, but, it can be done.

    With regard to "tightening" creams, Prep H will do that, or Thiomucase, but, in you're case, you're to far gone still, and it would be a waste of money.

    Just keep going on your weight loss / fat reduction program and see where you are in a couple of years.

    Remember, you didn't end up such a mess overnight, and you won't fix it overnight, either.

    Remember patience, persistent, dedication, and discipline.

    Doing body-part specific exercises will not have significant effects on the visibility of abs or so on. In fact, instead of doing crunches, you'd be better off walking for 1 hour every night. It's much more effective. In light of your current weight, I cannot advise you to embark on a truly intensive program.

    Walk it off, literally.
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    Jan 13, 2008 7:27 AM GMT
    Spot reduction is a myth...even building muscle doesn't do anything to reduce in a certain area as far as I know it only at best accelerates fat burn. So keep at it and it should work itself out icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 13, 2008 12:12 PM GMT
    There's some good and bad news here for you my man

    first is congrats on the weight loss because that's seriously awesome...and you can continue to lose more
    thru aerobic exercise - the crunches not really that great for overall weight loss

    the bad news is... there is a skin elasticity problem
    when we loss alot of weight the skinn doesn't always snap back into position like it should esp if we're a little older
    the skin loses it's elastic properties with age
    that's why a lot of people who have substantial weight losses sometimes need procedures like tummy tucks
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    Jan 13, 2008 12:38 PM GMT
    It surely won't hurt to keep your skin moisturized and to perhaps use a vitamin e cream.

    Before you contemplate any kind of cosmetic surgical intervention you first need to lose all of the weight that you can naturally. If your now at 261 you might think that keeping things up you could get down to 180-190 in the span of 18 to 24 months.

    Once your there you can really start considering what to do about skin elasticity.

    Congratulations because that 100 lbs. weight loss could not have been easy and probably saved your life.

    One last thing. It is important to keep realistic about goals. There are lot of guys on this site who are marvelously gifted with young and perfect bodies (nature will exact its justice upon them too!).

    Tuning up my goals to what is possible for me has helped me enormously. I know that it isn't possible to turn back the clock, totally correct what skin does naturally, prevent aging, and so forth. Therefore, I try as hard as I can to keep focused on health objectives and looking my personal best.

    It is so easy for impatience to overtake us at the midpoint in a major life change. The frustration of unrealistic goals (and unrealistic comparisons) can make the whole thing seem worthless and lead right back into an overeating pattern.

    No matter what at the end of a major weight loss, life change we are going to have a totally different and new outlook on life and new chances to do different things, enjoy different things, and just generally have a new life. As hard as frustration is to bear it is really worth it.

    There are some great men on this site who have been through what you are going through and they are to the last one (at least that I have met) generous people who are willing to share their experiences.

    The last thing that I would say is that losing weight is a profoundly emotional experience. The weight is almost always there covering up pain, shame, fear, or whatever other kind of hurt that we might have collected on the way.

    It is inevitable on the road to losing weight that all of those feelings come out and have to be dealt with (another very good reason that a slow approach to losing weight is worthwhile).

    A life change is usually about changing everything in that life and it happens with greater or lesser amounts of emotional stress and pain. That is all real and it is extremely worthwhile to go through such an overhaul as well.

    Again, congratulations on your spectacular achievement. Keep up the fantastic work.

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    Jan 13, 2008 4:54 PM GMT
    They have a surgery for that. Many people who have gastric bypass or lap-bands have to have excess skin removed because of the rapid weight loss. The skin will tighten on it's own, but it will take about 5-10 years.
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    Jan 13, 2008 5:26 PM GMT
    Thanks for all your help and congratulatory remarks everyone. I know it took years to gain it and it'll take years to loose it, too.

    Chuckystud...I died and came back to life. Not only was I at death's door, but he actually opened it and gave me a warm and smiling welcome in. He even gave me a quick tour of the place. No clue why he let me go though.icon_confused.gif
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    Jan 14, 2008 4:00 AM GMT
    Lonewolf, Congratulations on dropping the 100 pounds. I am inspired by your sticking with it. Just keep keepin on. Not sure why you are a beer drinker if you are trying to lose weight. It always bloated me up. Somewhere on this site is a member that was 400-something pounds, and is down to 170 pounds, so evidently it is acheivable with time and effort.
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    Jan 14, 2008 4:36 AM GMT
    Wax on.
    Wax off.

    Sometimes the wax is thick.

    Just keep rubbing.

    Metaphorically speaking, of course.

    On a side note: See if you can get the doctor to, besides getting you on some androgen, get you on some GH, too. The GH will do wonders for your skin, help with fat metabolization, and like the AAS, it will improve your mood and make you feel like being active.

    There's just about nothing that will make you look and feel 30 years younger than GH. The stuff is remarkable, and, in your case, I think your doctor could squeeze it past the naysayers. GH could make a huge difference for you.

    And, why did he let you go? So that you can lead others, of course. Plunge away!

    Here's an interesting article on some stuff U of Texas Southwest has been up to:

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    Jan 14, 2008 6:42 AM GMT
    Congratulations on your dramatic weightloss and good luck on your continued success! I have gone through a similar situation (from 420 to 180) and have been left with some excess skin as well. Everything you are reading in the previous posts is true from my expereinces and is corroberated by the many surgeons, doctors and specialists I have consulted with.
    The absolute best thing for your skin is to start NOW taking care of it...don't wait until you get off all of your weight! You need to be eating high protein, low fat....drinking ALOT of water all the time, EXERCISE...both cardio and weight lifting, frequent and liberal use of skin moisturizing lotions, etc. There are reasons for all of it too. Good nutrition just makes sense for anyone, especially if you have a vital organ trying to repair itself...like your skin. So get your vitamins, minerals, aminos, proteins and everything else, as appropriate for you. WATER... H2O is ESSENTIAL for every function and organ in the body. The body needs extra water to metabolize fats snd proteins for body repair and weight loss. You and I have both going on at the same time. Our water needs are higher than "average". Some may argue this next point, but common medical opinion says that Exercise is critical to weightloss and also helps in the vitality and repair of the body. Cardio and weight lifting; both build muscles and burn calories. They also both enhance the flow of water and nutients to the body and speed the removal of wastes from the body. This is important for anyone trying to loose weight and "heal" an injured organ....like the skin.
    There are other options. You need to do your own research to find your own comfort level. I have done some research and talked with several users of GH to tighten up their skin. An unqualified YES, it does work and is almost MIRACULOUS in what it can repair, but once you start, you don't dare stop. The effects are not permanent and you will revert back to your previous loose skin if you miss a few treatments. So if you are comfortable with a lifetime of GH and the expenses of it, etc., it is an option. The people I spoke with told me that most insurance won't cover this treatment, so it is all out of your pocket. The hemmorroid cream really does work! It is very short term, but it will tighten the skin and so will various "mud masks", etc...short term. Try a 50/50 mix of hemmorroid cream and moisturizing lotion. BE VERY careful to not get in your eyes! You may want to consider some
    compresion shorts" and some form fitting undershirts to help keep skin in place and reduce "chaffing" of the excess skin until it either is re-absorbed or otherwise handled. I have already gone thru a boat load of "body glide" for chaffing of various body parts. UnderArmour makes good and comfortable "compression under gear" try it out. "Plastic surgery" is also an option and I am researching and being evaluated for this option currently. It is expensive and most of the time not covered by insurance. I have mixed feelings about this, but have again talked to many people that have had this proceedure. The results were spectacular to breath taking! STUNNING results on men and women!
    The one thing I have been told repeatedly by plastic surgeons and long term patients of 10-15 years, that is in conflict with some of these posts...the skin has a limit to its ability to rebound and retighten. This ability drops off dramatically after the age of 40 and once you have hit your stable weight and held it for over a year, the body will take upto the next 2 years to fix itself as much as it can. After 2-3 years it is done and you are as "healed" and "taught" as your body will be without "assistance".

    Just a "thumbnail from the far side" of my experiences and research. LOL!
    Hope it helps.
    Best of HEALTH to you.